6 weeks - 22 pounds

[ThinkAndGoHam]

I have been cutting using a sort of modified version of PSMF averaging around 800-1000 calories and around 100g of protein. Technically i should be loosing all my gainz,going into starvation mode and destroying my metabolism just before certain death. So far no real signs of any of this yet. Here's my 6 week progress so far.

[yuvala]

Very good for 6 weeks! keep on going!

[ThinkAndGoHam]

Very good for 6 weeks! keep on going!

Thanks brother

This diet is really an experiment for my self, I have spent hours upon hours researching very low calories diets and found more then enough evidence to convince me to try it out. So far it is working wonders with absolutely no signs of the usual scaremongary you read regarding your muscles all wasting away etc. My strength loss in 6 weeks has been minimal infact 95% of these losses were experienced within the first 2 weeks since then ive not noticed much further losses at all. The fat seems to be dripping off me, its certainly coming off quicker than your regular cut. Ill keep this thread updated with my progress as i go along.

[ruicosta]

eating 800 cals will not work as a cutting method, you will lose muscle and ruin ur body

[ThinkAndGoHam]

eating 800 cals will not work as a cutting method, you will lose muscle and ruin ur body

What are you basing this conclusion on? Please refer me to a single person who lost all their muscle (while still lifting and is above 12% BF) and ruined their body eating 800-1000 calories per day. I have yet to see a single progress diary from ANYBODY where this has happened.I have however seen various people do PSMF at similar calories with great results. i have lost 22 pounds in 6 weeks with very little loss in strength and ive lost no more muscle than anybody else doing a regular cut. I feel great still have lots of energy. Please tell me at which point i will start loosing all my muscle and ruin my body? im 6 weeks in so far with no signs of any of that yet will it happen tomorrow next tuesday when?

[ruicosta]

scientific studies show a 15-20% decrease on maintenance is the best way to go when losing fat and maintaining muscle.
You obviously don't want to listen, which is fine but eating 800cals a day is idiotic.

It won't be 22lbs of fat more like water, glycogen and fat, but your body will just start burning muscle and you will look like a pow.

[ThinkAndGoHam]

It won't be 22lbs of fat more like water, glycogen and fat, but your body will just start burning muscle and you will look like a pow.

I have seen countless other studies that say starvation mode etc is a myth, muscle loss is way over exaggerated. I prefer to deal with real world experience and 6 weeks at this says otherwise.

All i will say is stay tuned to this thread, we will see if i loose all my muscle and end up looking like a pow ( what ever that is ) lol. I will be sticking at this until i can start to see abs, how long that will take im not sure but the results will speak for themselves.

[Sherjav]

Good job,

If it's working for you and you're happy and feeling better, then keep doing what you're doing.

Just don't forget to do a reverse diet after you're done cutting.

[jdoggg]

Hmmm - this seems very unconventional to me. It's also kinda hard to judge the before and after cause honestly you don't have a ton of muscle to begin with. It just looks like you cut a bunch of fat - which I commend you for, it's not easy to diet down. But building/retaining muscle requires more caloric intake in specific macros, in my 7 years of experience at this thing.

Good luck to you!

[Captnshitacular]

Good job man! Who cares if you do loose some muscle...looks like you haven't so F'em! Keep at it

[TKOwnedU5]

Awesome job man! Your definition in your chest has improved tremendously! Keep it up!

[lsutigers13]

I have been cutting using a sort of modified version of PSMF averaging around 800-1000 calories and around 100g of protein. Technically i should be loosing all my gainz,going into starvation mode and destroying my metabolism just before certain death. So far no real signs of any of this yet. Here's my 6 week progress so far.

If I were you I would start going on a 500 deficit instead now since you are only 150 pounds now. 1000 calories is really extreme

[nightfx]

Why torture yourself when you can cut with double the calories?

[benjamincrowell]

not bad

[ThinkAndGoHam]

8 weeks in now - 25 pounds, had a 2500 calorie re-feed yesterday woke up today exactly the same weight as the day before. This was my ONLY reefed in the entire 8 weeks where ive been averaging 1000 calories. I know this is an extreme diet in most peoples eyes but its also an experiment for my self, im not here to claim its the best or most healthy way to diet but its certainly working for me and i hope this thread can serve as evidence to show that muscle loss on this diet is over exaggerated. Also i know i didn't have alot of muscle mass to start but i was fat as fuawk so cutting was my only option.

[ThinkAndGoHam]

Any idea on my BF% guy's? Feel small as fuawk now but don't care just want to get real lean then reverse diet for a while then clean bulk.

[Retrab]

8 weeks in now - 25 pounds, had a 2500 calorie re-feed yesterday woke up today exactly the same weight as the day before. This was my ONLY reefed in the entire 8 weeks where ive been averaging 1000 calories. I know this is an extreme diet in most peoples eyes but its also an experiment for my self, im not here to claim its the best or most healthy way to diet but its certainly working for me and i hope this thread can serve as evidence to show that muscle loss on this diet is over exaggerated. Also i know i didn't have alot of muscle mass to start but i was fat as fuawk so cutting was my only option.

To be fair dude I think your results speak for themselves. We all know there are 'methods' to losing fat/cutting that people SWEAR by only to have them debunked by something contrary...and yet to each respective person/s they are getting the results they want through whatever it is they are doing or taking to get there.. Personally I would have also jumped all over the '1000 calories a day is MAD!' bandwagon if I had read your initial post 2 weeks ago, but you still look a helluva lot better now than you did 8 weeks ago - So well done so far bro.

Having said that, what is your Marco split like on 1000Cals?

[ThinkAndGoHam]

To be fair dude I think your results speak for themselves. We all know there are 'methods' to losing fat/cutting that people SWEAR by only to have them debunked by something contrary...and yet to each respective person/s they are getting the results they want through whatever it is they are doing or taking to get there.. Personally I would have also jumped all over the '1000 calories a day is MAD!' bandwagon if I had read your initial post 2 weeks ago, but you still look a helluva lot better now than you did 8 weeks ago - So well done so far bro.

Having said that, what is your Marco split like on 1000Cals?

Appreciate it man.

Ill keep it 100....My marco brake down is aim for 100g of protein,Then eat what ever the phuq. I started off using shakes + chicken breast but i ran out of whey a couple of weeks ago and have been sticking with chicken breast now, I used to have a shake around mid day but now i just have a coffee in the morning when i wake up with artificial sweeter so no calories from sugar and i have 100ml of skimmed milk 35 calories, then i don't eat until the evening ( i used to have a shake in the day as i say but ran out), where i have chicken with either rice,potato,pasta or sometimes i even just eat the chicken and have a bowl of cereal straight after! I take a muti vitamin everyday too, Also in the 8 weeks i have eaten mc donalds 3 or 4 times where i had 2 double cheese burgers and 6 nuggets that's it all day + a multi =1100 calories

As i say i am not here to claim this is the most healthy way or the best way to diet but i can tell you that it for sure works, Ive certainly not lost any more muscle than anybody that does a "regular cut" My strength loss has been minimal. and i feel GREAT! I don't feel tired or lethargic all the time, i genuinely feel great. I think any feelings of tired or lethargicness people experience is down to them not being able to deal with eating so few calories, This diet is truly a mental game and for me its not really hard to do, its not like im here struggling everyday fighting of tremendous hunger pains, im totally cool with this, im not sure why but its really not that hard for me.

Also its not like this is a long term for life diet, I am doing it to get lean then that's it, clean bulk and no going back to been a fat **** ever again, MY body fat was pretty high to start with so people with lower bodyfat%'s wouldn't even need to do it as long as i will to get the results they want. Im not even recommending it to anybody i just want this thread to serv as some "Real world results" which are contrary to most of the scietific and regurgitated common knowledge that are often recited on every bodybuilding website in the world and i think that says alot its self.

[RepHeavy]

Interesting thread! looks like youve had some good results so far. I have to say i agree with most of what
you have said. I think the whole muscle loss and starvation mode is massively over exaggerated and
you only start losing muscle when you get below around 5% body fat (when your body has no other choice
but to use muscle as fuel)

I think if you keep doing what you are doing then in another 2 or 3 weeks you are going to be shredded.

What kind of things are you eating?

[ThinkAndGoHam]

Interesting thread! looks like youve had some good results so far. I have to say i agree with most of what
you have said. I think the whole muscle loss and starvation mode is massively over exaggerated and
you only start losing muscle when you get below around 5% body fat (when your body has no other choice
but to use muscle as fuel)

I think if you keep doing what you are doing then in another 2 or 3 weeks you are going to be shredded.

What kind of things are you eating?

This is my belief also, I don't think you need to worry about muscle loss until you are well under 12% Even the amount of protein you need is over exaggerated, not only have i been consuming under 1000 calories but ive only been getting 100g of protein sometimes less. The combination of these two things most people would say would result in sever muscle loss. As i am getting leaner the changes are appearing much quicker now in the mirror i think another 4 weeks will make quite a big difference. As for food see my above post, my diet is very simple, chicken,rice,pasta,potatoe,cearal,a couple of mc donalds here and there and a multi vitamin daily.

Hopefully as people see my results i can start to get some positive reps as apposed to the bombardment of negative reps i got when i first told people i was going to do this in the "loosing fat forum" LOL

[yrot21]

Dude, not gonna lie. You look a lot better. I can definitely see the difference from the waist up to the chest area. I have a feeling you'd have faint abs if you actually worked them, or if you lift heavy: DL, bench press, bent-over rows, OHP, squats (i.e., all of the compound exercises that will help you with your core).

[ProgressIsGood]

Well I'm no expert, but so long you don't lose strength (or lose just a little bit) it's fair to assume the amount of muscle you lost (if at all) isn't noticeable, no matter how many calories you actually eat.

[ThinkAndGoHam]

Dude, not gonna lie. You look a lot better. I can definitely see the difference from the waist up to the chest area. I have a feeling you'd have faint abs if you actually worked them, or if you lift heavy: DL, bench press, bent-over rows, OHP, squats (i.e., all of the compound exercises that will help you with your core).

I can see very faintly my top 2 abs in certain lighting, There is literally one mirror and one fraction of an angle in my house where i can see this LOL was hoping to get it on camera but failed lol, I don't do much direct ab work maybe once a month i do regular sit ups but thats it, But i do lift heavy and bent over rows are my favorite back exercise, i don't use machines at all. ive NEVER seen my abs but i feel like i have a strong core, not sure why i think this thought could be totally wrong. I can certainly feel them and absolutely can not frikin wait to see them for the 1st time in my entire life. The faintness of the top 2 only appeared around a week ago so hopefully a couple of weeks or so and things will get exciting.

[ThinkAndGoHam]

Well I'm no expert, but so long you don't lose strength (or lose just a little bit) it's fair to assume the amount of muscle you lost (if at all) isn't noticeable, no matter how many calories you actually eat.

I did a cut a couple of years ago and lost ALOT of strength based on my experiences since i now firmly believe in the importance of intensity and lifting heavy while cutting. The last time i cut i didn't put forth the same amount of effort into my work outs, i did still work out though but was too quick to lower the weights when i felt like i couldn't be bothered etc and i was also eating more calories so what does that tell you.This time i have gave it everything i have in my work outs and my strength loss has been minimal, as a matter of fact the 95% of my strength loss was lost during the first TWO weeks since then i can hardly tell a difference.

[yrot21]

Almost forgot: repped.

[ProgressIsGood]

I did a cut a couple of years ago and lost ALOT of strength based on my experiences since i now firmly believe in the importance of intensity and lifting heavy while cutting. The last time i cut i didn't put forth the same amount of effort into my work outs, i did still work out though but was too quick to lower the weights when i felt like i couldn't be bothered etc and i was also eating more calories so what does that tell you.This time i have gave it everything i have in my work outs and my strength loss has been minimal, as a matter of fact the 95% of my strength loss was lost during the first TWO weeks since then i can hardly tell a difference.

I can say the same thing about myself.
I'm doing a little cut right now, so I can bulk up again.
I actually lost around 15lbs in about 6 weeks. The only thing I regressed in is bench press, and the loss is very small (something like 2-4lbs of loss on my 1rm), on the other hand I actually improved on pulling exercises (rows and pullups). Last time I did a cut I lost at the same phase, but lost also way more strength because of my training. I also think I ended up losing a not very large, but noticeable chunk of muscle on my upper body.
So you're not the only one.

[SubWooferCooker]

Amazing progress what makes it even more amazing is the diet you were on

[ThinkAndGoHam]

Thanks for the positive responses helps keep me motivated!

[RepHeavy]

This is my belief also, I don't think you need to worry about muscle loss until you are well under 12% Even the amount of protein you need is over exaggerated, not only have i been consuming under 1000 calories but ive only been getting 100g of protein sometimes less. The combination of these two things most people would say would result in sever muscle loss. As i am getting leaner the changes are appearing much quicker now in the mirror i think another 4 weeks will make quite a big difference. As for food see my above post, my diet is very simple, chicken,rice,pasta,potatoe,cearal,a couple of mc donalds here and there and a multi vitamin daily.

Hopefully as people see my results i can start to get some positive reps as apposed to the bombardment of negative reps i got when i first told people i was going to do this in the "loosing fat forum" LOL

Sorry i didnt see your post below mine, my bad. I do agree protein needs are over exaggerated too, i barely get 100g a day either and still have managed to maintain strength and put on some size while cutting.

Im sure the people from the losing fat section will regret their negs when they see your amazing results in a few weeks. Meanwhile they are spending months of their lives worrying of the smallest of details so they dont go past their "500 calorie deficit a day" so as not to go in "starvation mode" and lose 0.0543 grams of muscle mass (which will probably only be glycogen anyway - not dry muscle)

Any more updates for us?