How many calories do you eat to bulk?

[dret]

Ive been on a slow clean bulk for a while now and I feel like I'm eating a **** ton of food but my weight has stopped increasing these past few months. I was eating around 3700 a day but now I'm gonna have to bump it up to 4000. I only weigh 147. So just wondering, how many calories do you guys eat a day to bulk?

[CupcakeSquats]

4000 at 147? Somethings very wrong. Are you counting correctly?

[OlyJesse]

What is your tdee?

[dret]

4000 at 147? Somethings very wrong. Are you counting correctly?

Yeahh I know it sounds nuts. And yeahh I've counted a ton of times to make sure. Mommy even helped lol. I eat the same thing nearly every day so theres not much differentiation between days. And I cant imagine there being anything thaaat wrong with my training.

[dret]

What is your tdee?

according to some calculator online its around 2400

[jd007914]

Never more than 3000 to bulk, never less than 2000 to cut

[OlyJesse]

you should eat 20% more of your tdee for bulking anything over that will cause unwanted fat gains

[JaredPunch]

Yeahh I know it sounds nuts. And yeahh I've counted a ton of times to make sure. Mommy even helped lol. I eat the same thing nearly every day so theres not much differentiation between days. And I cant imagine there being anything thaaat wrong with my training.

write down your typical daily diet

[dret]

write down your typical daily diet

I eat 4 meals a day

MEAL 1
bowl of cheerios w/ milk - 150 (can't eat real in the morning or else i feel like ****)
TOTAL=150

MEAL 2
chicken peperoni sandwedge-350
wallnuts-200
applesauce-50
milk-120
granola bar-200
chips or cheezits-150
total=1100

MEAL 3 (dinner varies alot because mum makes somethin different everyday of course
I usually get around 1000 - 1200 whether it be from pasta, burgers, chicken etc. throw some bread an olive oil in there for a couple hundred
cookies or other dessert with milk= 400
TOTAL=1500


MEAL 4
triscuits-150
cheese stick-80
almonds-200
bran cereal w/ milk-100
granola bar-200
peanut butter-100
milk(couple glasses)-200
protein shake-150
TOTAL=1180

ALL 4 MEALS= 3930

[dret]

Never more than 3000 to bulk, never less than 2000 to cut

I would still be 130 lbs if i didnt fo over 3000 tho hah

[vegasbrah08]

I eat 4 meals a day
M
MEAL 1
bowl of cheerios w/ milk - 150 (can't eat real in the morning or else i feel like ****)
TOTAL=150

MEAL 2
chicken peperoni sandwedge-350
wallnuts-200
applesauce-50
milk-120
granola bar-200
chips or cheezits-150
total=1100

MEAL 3 (dinner varies alot because mum makes somethin different everyday of course
I usually get around 1000 - 1200 whether it be from pasta, burgers, chicken etc. throw some bread an olive oil in there for a couple hundred
cookies or other dessert with milk= 400
TOTAL=1500


MEAL 4
triscuits-150
cheese stick-80
almonds-200
bran cereal w/ milk-100
granola bar-200
peanut butter-100
milk(couple glasses)-200
protein shake-150
TOTAL=1180

ALL 4 MEALS= 3930

I highly doubt your third meal is a consistent 1500 cals everyday.

Also, bulking on 2800

[strengthgained]

4000 at 147? Somethings very wrong. Are you counting correctly?

I won't gain on 3800

[OlyJesse]

i think you have a misconception on nutrition, you should go to the nutrition forum and read the stickies

[DBLBacn]

Insanely fast metabolism here.

4200 / day to maintain
6000 - 12000 / day to gain

Sucks because my grocery bill is about the same as a family of four....

[dret]

i think you have a misconception on nutrition, you should go to the nutrition forum and read the stickies

could you elaborate?

[JaredPunch]

Insanely fast metabolism here.

4200 / day to maintain
6000 - 12000 / day to gain

Sucks because my grocery bill is about the same as a family of four....

I don't think fast metabolisms exist at all, no scientific evidence suggests one's metabolism might be a lot higher than another's considering that, 1 pound of muscle always burns the same calories, whether on a 16 year old body or a 60 year old body (the reason age is supposed to lower metabolism -1% every 10 years is because of muscle loss) and metabolic rate among individuals seems to be well distributed in the population with not big variations. There's only an explanation to what some refer as "high metabolism" i.e. high activity, whether intentional (sport, walking a lot, clubbing on weekend) or not (walking when talking on the phone, swinging legs when sitting, taking stairs...)

Also higher TDEE doesn't have much to do with calories to gain. In order words 500 extra calories should produce the same gains whether your TDEE is 2000 calories or 4000 calories, so it's actually physiologically impossible to have a TDEE of 4000 calories but needing 6000-12000 calories to gain.

[dret]

I don't think fast metabolisms exist at all, no scientific evidence suggests one metabolism might be a lot higher than another's considering that, 1 pounds of muscle always burn the same calories, whether on a 16 year old body or a 60 year old body (the reason age is supposed to lower metabolism -1% every 10 year is because of muscle loss) and metabolic rate among individuals seems to be well distributed among the population with not big variation. There's only an explanation to what some refer as "high metabolism" i.e. high activity, whether intentional (sport, walking a lot, clubbing on weekend) or not (walking when talking on the phone, swinging legs when sitting, taking stairs...)

Also higher TDEE doesn't have much to do with calories to gain. In order words 500 extra calories should produce the same gains whether your TDEE is 2000 calories or 4000 calories, so it's actually physiologically impossible to have a TDEE of 4000 calories but needing 12000 calories to gain.

hmm thats pretty interesting actually. Im a pretty fidgety person so maybe I should just take some downers and sit still hah

[ErikTheElectric]

1. List what you currently eat in a day OP, I doubt you eat as much as you think and not gaining weight. Unless you're doing a bunch of cardio/activity.
2. Depends, if I'm active..if it's cycling season and I'm riding frequently.. my appetite skyrockets.. so I'm usually in the 4-5k range (if I bother to count).

[dret]

1. List what you currently eat in a day OP, I doubt you eat as much as you think and not gaining weight. Unless you're doing a bunch of cardio/activity.
2. Depends, if I'm active..if it's cycling season and I'm riding frequently.. my appetite skyrockets.. so I'm usually in the 4-5k range (if I bother to count).

Scroll up mayne i just posted what i eat. and the most cardio i do is a quarter mile warmup before a workout

[XCRunner9]

To be fair, I just now bumped up my calories to above 3k and finally seeing some gains and I'm just 122 pounds. Then again, we're just teens.

[JaredPunch]

To be fair, I just now bumped up my calories to above 3k and finally seeing some gains and I'm just 122 pounds. Then again, we're just teens.

I doubt it, unless you're a football soccer player, being teen has nothing to do with having abnormally high for one's weight BMR. I think either you miscounted something or you were expecting gains too quick (most people can't build more than 2 pounds of muscle a month) and are finally seeing them now because you're gaining fat, hence weights is increasing faster.

[XCRunner9]

^ You sure bro? Before I really got into fitness, I ate non-stop (more than I am now) and ended up slightly underweight before getting into fitness.

Like I said, it's fine if you don't believe us, but from my experience, I believe the OP.

High metabolism crew checkin in.