Free will doesn't exist (srs)

[EuropeanDream]

Everything you do is a result of genetic and environmental factors. There are no other factors, hence free will doesn't exist.

For those who say "Well look, I chose to post in this thread like this"

True, but if you had a different personality (genetic/environmentally acquired) you may not post in this thread or you may post differently.

Discuss.

Note that Einstein did not believe in free will.

[EuropeanDream]

Fast misc

[xfirewolfx]

I can choose to eat a cheese burger can't I?

[Skyline796]

but i didnt post in this thread

[Jaccogo]

okay but now I question your understanding of the human brain. Who is to say that the brain doesn't process millions of possible reactions, narrowing it down to some small number, and in the making of the decision, there is a element of seemingly randomness in picking what to do. What if I call that choice?

[wisdommaster1]

my personality told me to not post in this thread because OP is a ******* but I used my free will to post anyways

[EuropeanDream]

I can choose to eat a cheese burger can't I?

Can you though? Can you choose to eat a cheeseburger or do genetic factors (liability to eat that kind of food) and environmental factors (Hunger, location, etc - all of these factors are also themselves caused by genetic and environmental factors.)

[Merauder]

A decision is made through you, not by you.
In some way you can choose to go by the decision or not.

What animal is this and how does it decide where to go and grow?

[xJuggHeadx]

someone is forcing me to reply here

trust me, had it been up to me. Theres no way that I would respond to such a chit thread

[NIguy]

load of shyte.... strong troll though

[EuropeanDream]

okay but now I question your understanding of the human brain. Who is to say that the brain doesn't process millions of possible reactions, narrowing it down to some small number, and in the making of the decision, there is a element of seemingly randomness in picking what to do. What if I call that choice?

But what is this randomness? How do you know this randomness actually exists and is not just a bunch of genetic and environmental factors?

"Newtonian Determinism says that the universe is a clock, a gigantic clock that’s wound up in the beginning of time and has been ticking ever since according to Newton’s laws of motion. So what you’re going to eat 10 years from now on January 1st has already been fixed. It’s already known using Newton’s laws of motion. Einstein believed in that. Einstein was a determinist."

[NHSport]

you are free to stop making ****ty threads

[EuropeanDream]

load of shyte.... strong troll though

So einstein was a troll too?

[CyborgAnarchist]

Op was predetermined to *******ry

[Bongos]

I just realized Free Willy is a play on words.

[Jaccogo]

But what is this randomness? How do you know this randomness actually exists and is not just a bunch of genetic and environmental factors?

"Newtonian Determinism says that the universe is a clock, a gigantic clock that’s wound up in the beginning of time and has been ticking ever since according to Newton’s laws of motion. So what you’re going to eat 10 years from now on January 1st has already been fixed. It’s already known using Newton’s laws of motion. Einstein believed in that. Einstein was a determinist."

I'm supposing that it is a conceived randomness that is not influenced by genetic or environmental factors.

Better Unborn: Haha, but no.

[EuropeanDream]

I'm supposing that it is a conceived randomness that is not influenced by genetic or environmental factors.

Better Unborn: Haha, but no.

What reasons do you have to believe this?

[suprabum]

No need to convince me OP. Determinist checking in - it's all science baby. Physics, bio, neurology, chemistry etc etc all bundled into one giant clusterphuk. We're born, we live, we die - still gonna enjoy the ride!


Aren't we all such preddy and unique quazi lottery style snowflakes? Don't crush my dreams OP! Lulz.

[Cablebob]

Sounds like Liberal thinking. It's always some else's fault why I do what I do. I didn't have a choice. It was my environment, or my genetics...I was born this way. GTFO.

My free will allows me to say OP is *******.

[EuropeanDream]

No need to convince me OP. Determinist checking in - it's all science baby. Physics, bio, neurology, chemistry etc etc all bundled into one giant clusterphuk. We're born, we live, we die - still gonna enjoy the ride!


Aren't we all such preddy and unique quazi lottery style snowflakes? Don't crush my dreams OP! Lulz.

don't forget mathematics which is behind it all. math major reporting in

[Jaccogo]

What reasons do you have to believe this?

It is philosophy, and you are assuming that there isn't some randomness. In fact if we were to demand evidence for all philosophical assertions, then your points made in the OP would be brushed aside because you assume that
1) you fully understand the two factors

2) there are only two factors influencing an action

because we do not fully understand the human brain, you can not say that then. However because it is wildly accepted in philosophy that we don't need biological evidence to make claims about the universe (though examples are helpful) I don't need to provide reasons past the fact that it is a conjecture which is possible.

[Brahizcool]

Free will ? No such thing.

You have Free choice


You can choose to do something, the result will be decided by the environment factors or God(depending on your beliefs)

[Jaccogo]

Randomness doesn't exist. Even enthropy is hardly random. Even the computer-generated "random" numbers are not truly random because all of the outcomes can be pre-determined with good enough technology.

Yeah I guess you are not going to prove to me that we can know what people are going to do in a non-controlled environment (gonna lmao if you pull out the color test) with more than one variable.

[EuropeanDream]

It is philosophy, and you are assuming that there isn't some randomness. In fact if we were to demand evidence for all philosophical assertions, then your points made in the OP would be brushed aside because you assume that
1) you fully understand the two factors

2) there are only two factors influencing an action

because we do not fully understand the human brain, you can not say that then. However because it is wildly accepted in philosophy that we don't need biological evidence to make claims about the universe (though examples are helpful) I don't need to provide reasons past the fact that it is a conjecture which is possible.

You are the one making the claim that randomness exists, whereas it cannot be observed anywhere else in nature. It is, as you say, a conjecture, that randomness exists.

[suprabum]

don't forget mathematics which is behind it all. math major reporting in

of course. math is in everything - hella boring no offense. i guess when you're on dat der theoretical lvl understanding the symmetry in the chaos etc then that could be preddy phukkin' cool, but damn homie what it takes to get there. you gotta luv your job.


repped for not being standard misc simpleton. why so red jigga?

[EuropeanDream]

Yeah I guess you are not going to prove to me that we can know what people are going to do in a non-controlled environment (gonna lmao if you pull out the color test) with more than one variable.

Just because we cannot know all the time doesn't mean there is free will, it just means we don't have the tools/capacity yet to predict such things.

[SoberToaster]

Agree with red but this topic is like beating a Dead horse, and you weren't very convincing.

[KMCthrice]

in on intellectual thread

[CH4N8]

so op, do you believe in randomness?

[suprabum]

Randomness doesn't exist. Even enthropy is hardly random. Even the computer-generated "random" numbers are not truly random because all of the outcomes can be pre-determined with good enough technology.

wizard. what's with all the intelligent miscers surfacing today. raped.



EDIT: on the rc brah