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    Originally Posted by Makween View Post
    ... whereas Jason isn't doing anything that other channels aren't doing better....
    Please provide names/links to these other channels... I am always looking for good content/info. Thanks!
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    Can someone direct me to the part of the video where:
    Hey mentions Layne's name
    He directly accuses him of using steroids?

    I cbf watching the video again, but measlies to whoever can point those two things out to me.
    It sick.
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    Originally Posted by alan aragon View Post
    He knows deep-down Layne is natty & so does anyone with half a brain
    Less than half a brain here ...

    What makes you so sure he's natty ? I'm not saying he isn't, but I'm curious how can you be so sure he is.
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    Originally Posted by necon76 View Post
    Ugh.
    This. FFs let this die
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    Originally Posted by psychodiver9 View Post
    This. FFs let this die
    can we turn this into an ian McCarthy hate trade???? plz plz plz
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    Originally Posted by themonkay View Post
    can we turn this into an ian McCarthy hate trade???? plz plz plz
    who?
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    Originally Posted by themonkay View Post
    can we turn this into an ian McCarthy hate trade???? plz plz plz
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    I ate 5g of trans fat and now can't maintain erections, but when I do, they last over 4 hours. So my question is, am I still considered natty? I wasn't going to compete, so this is obviously important. Please respond in a romantic poem.
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    Originally Posted by Andrew_S View Post
    I ate 5g of trans fat and now can't maintain erections, but when I do, they last over 4 hours. So my question is, am I still considered natty? I wasn't going to compete, so this is obviously important. Please respond in a romantic poem.

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    Originally Posted by Andrew_S View Post
    I ate 5g of trans fat and now can't maintain erections, but when I do, they last over 4 hours. So my question is, am I still considered natty? I wasn't going to compete, so this is obviously important. Please respond in a romantic poem.

    There once was man, who ate some trans fats,
    Erection in hand, he fapped and he fapped,
    He huffed and he puffed and he busted a nut
    and then Synthetic showed up and lectured him on trans fats and he got really really sad and had some self esteem issues later in life
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    Originally Posted by softpounder View Post
    I would tell you step 4, but let me give you a bicep shot.
    I Don't aprove Of blaha He Gives alot of Misinformation and False advice especially Starting the Myth that a caloric Deficit is BAD and it messes people up and Stunts teens growth I hope he gets Sued
    Wait let me give you a bicep shot first
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    Originally Posted by Fat2killUSA View Post
    I Don't aprove Of blaha He Gives alot of Misinformation and False advice especially Starting the Myth that a caloric Deficit is BAD and it messes people up and Stunts teens growth I hope he gets Sued
    Wait let me give you a bicep shot first
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    LN certainly has a lot to (continue to) gain from his physique and performance as a natural bodybuilder. It's part of what builds on his business model and reputation. Unlike someone like Lyle McDonald who has a less than desireable physique for any aspiring bodybuilder, LN has a lot to gain or lose from his image. I think because he stands so much to gain from doing a cycle here and there and keeping it a secret, it's not unreasonable to suspect him. I want to believe that he is natty so bad, but deep down I have my doubts. Just my personal opinion. Please don't sue me.

    Jason DB...
    1. The guy is a bum
    2. Finds a wife on the internet. Moves in with her. Continues to be a bum.
    3. Starts a youtube channel as a business/hobby/method of validation... calls it a job.
    4. Starts controversy and now he's getting threatened legally.

    I really just have to wonder what this guy's wife must be thinking with all of this recent controversy. Jason DB must have a humongous elephant dick or something for her to put up with all of his professional free loading and BS.

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    Originally Posted by foodandfitness View Post
    LN certainly has a lot to (continue to) gain from his physique and performance as a natural bodybuilder. It's part of what builds on his business model and reputation. Unlike someone like Lyle McDonald who has a less than desireable physique for any aspiring bodybuilder, LN has a lot to gain or lose from his image. I think because he stands so much to gain from doing a cycle here and there and keeping it a secret, it's not unreasonable to suspect him. I want to believe that he is natty so bad, but deep down I have my doubts. Just my personal opinion. Please don't sue me.

    Jason DB...
    1. The guy is a bum
    2. Finds a wife on the internet. Moves in with her. Continues to be a bum.
    3. Starts a youtube channel as a business/hobby/method of validation... calls it a job.
    4. Starts controversy and now he's getting threatened legally.

    I really just have to wonder what this guy's wife must be thinking with all of this recent controversy. Jason DB must have a humongous elephant dick or something for her to put up with all of his professional free loading and BS.

    Thanks. I know y'all were really waiting for me to weigh in on all this. Nobody rep me all at once or anything.

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    Originally Posted by foodandfitness View Post
    LN certainly has a lot to (continue to) gain from his physique and performance as a natural bodybuilder. It's part of what builds on his business model and reputation. Unlike someone like Lyle McDonald who has a less than desireable physique for any aspiring bodybuilder, LN has a lot to gain or lose from his image. I think because he stands so much to gain from doing a cycle here and there and keeping it a secret, it's not unreasonable to suspect him. I want to believe that he is natty so bad, but deep down I have my doubts. Just my personal opinion. Please don't sue me.

    Jason DB...
    1. The guy is a bum
    2. Finds a wife on the internet. Moves in with her. Continues to be a bum.
    3. Starts a youtube channel as a business/hobby/method of validation... calls it a job.
    4. Starts controversy and now he's getting threatened legally.

    I really just have to wonder what this guy's wife must be thinking with all of this recent controversy. Jason DB must have a humongous elephant dick or something for her to put up with all of his professional free loading and BS.

    Thanks. I know y'all were really waiting for me to weigh in on all this. Nobody rep me all at once or anything.
    Despite doing his ICF 5x5 program, I'm actually not too high on JasonDB and his expertise, either. In fact, I pretty much disregard everything he says but the routine he put out. Call me weird.

    But I just thought I'd comment on the Lyle McDonald thing. I don't think he's an aspiring bodybuilder, as he's been more into endurance sports lately. I'm not sure whether he started out as an aspiring bodybuilder and quit after seeing subpar results, though.
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    Originally Posted by EmperorRyker View Post
    Despite doing his ICF 5x5 program, I'm actually not too high on JasonDB and his expertise, either. In fact, I pretty much disregard everything he says but the routine he put out. Call me weird.

    But I just thought I'd comment on the Lyle McDonald thing. I don't think he's an aspiring bodybuilder, as he's been more into endurance sports lately. I'm not sure whether he started out as an aspiring bodybuilder and quit after seeing subpar results, though.
    Jason did not invent any program. He stole ideas from others. I don't hate Jason as much as others do but I do believe he is a legend in his own mind.
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    Originally Posted by necon76 View Post
    We've seen pics of him in briefs. He doesn't.
    Then I'm stumped.

    Originally Posted by EmperorRyker View Post
    Despite doing his ICF 5x5 program, I'm actually not too high on JasonDB and his expertise, either. In fact, I pretty much disregard everything he says but the routine he put out. Call me weird.

    But I just thought I'd comment on the Lyle McDonald thing. I don't think he's an aspiring bodybuilder, as he's been more into endurance sports lately. I'm not sure whether he started out as an aspiring bodybuilder and quit after seeing subpar results, though.
    5x5 is a classic routine. I was doing a 5x5 long before I heard of JasonDB to add strength and size when 8-12 reps weren't cutting it for me anymore.

    What I meant about Lyle is that people don't follow him for his physique. They respect his mind. With LN he plays on his PhD as well as the "look at how big and strong I am" as a marketing tool. Therefore he has much to gain from staying on top of his physical game.
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    Originally Posted by EmperorRyker View Post
    Despite doing his ICF 5x5 program, I'm actually not too high on JasonDB and his expertise, either. In fact, I pretty much disregard everything he says but the routine he put out. Call me weird.

    But I just thought I'd comment on the Lyle McDonald thing. I don't think he's an aspiring bodybuilder, as he's been more into endurance sports lately. I'm not sure whether he started out as an aspiring bodybuilder and quit after seeing subpar results, though.

    I sure hope people aren't following Jason because of his physique.


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    Originally Posted by MASSter View Post
    Jason did not invent any program. He stole ideas from others. I don't hate Jason as much as others do but I do believe he is a legend in his own mind.
    Oh, yeah, I agree. I guess I meant his variation of the classic 5x5 program I was actually hesitant to start it, because I was so annoyed by all the hype surrounding it on the boards and him kind of presenting it as this piece of his own creative work, but in the end I kind of figured it doesn't look half bad for someone with little muscle mass, so why not give it a whirl.

    Originally Posted by foodandfitness View Post
    5x5 is a classic routine. I was doing a 5x5 long before I heard of JasonDB to add strength and size when 8-12 reps weren't cutting it for me anymore.
    True, I know all of that, don't worry. I just figured I'd mention I'm trying to follow his version of the routine (well, I haven't for a months due to injury, but once I'm healed I plan on doing so) for full disclosure before criticizing him.

    Originally Posted by foodandfitness View Post
    What I meant about Lyle is that people don't follow him for his physique. They respect his mind. With LN he plays on his PhD as well as the "look at how big and strong I am" as a marketing tool. Therefore he has much to gain from staying on top of his physical game.
    Agreed on those counts for sure, sorry if I took your words too literally. I know what your point was, but maybe not everyone knows Lyle at this point or for years isn't really someone trying to look like a bodybuilder and failing at it.

    Originally Posted by necon76 View Post
    I sure hope people aren't following Jason because of his physique.
    I assume rational people aren't, but I'm always surprised by the amount of fanboyism on the boards when people fall back to "Jason says..." to back up their arguments, even though he hasn't really ever presented any credentials or elaborate argumentation to show he has the intellectual chops. Having said that, I don't think he's a buffoon on all counts, so don't get me wrong. I think his knowledge is alright, but some of the stuff he says really does irk me (the teenage cutting thing especially, since so many people now stand by it because he said it, and in the video he doesn't really back it up with anything).
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    Originally Posted by EmperorRyker View Post

    I assume rational people aren't, but I'm always surprised by the amount of fanboyism on the boards when people fall back to "Jason says..." to back up their arguments, even though he hasn't really ever presented any credentials or elaborate argumentation to show he has the intellectual chops. Having said that, I don't think he's a buffoon on all counts, so don't get me wrong. I think his knowledge is alright, but some of the stuff he says really does irk me (the teenage cutting thing especially, since so many people now stand by it because he said it, and in the video he doesn't really back it up with anything).
    He's very good at regurgitating information from respected and credible researchers. I sometimes feel like watching his videos is a dumbed down copy/pasta from Lyle, the stickies, Alan, etc. with a sprinkle of his own input. Regardless, I'm enjoying his meltdown. I'm hoping this will end as epic as it did for lowcarbcorey and the poptart axe and video of his turds. Meanwhile, I chuckle when I see how butt hurt LN gets on facebook. Thank you online fitness community, keep up the good work! I hope to join the ranks someday.
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    Originally Posted by foodandfitness View Post
    He's very good at regurgitating information from respected and credible researchers. I sometimes feel like watching his videos is a dumbed down copy/pasta from Lyle, the stickies, Alan, etc. with a sprinkle of his own input.
    Pretty much. But that's why a lot of the information he gives is also correct, I guess [QUOTE=foodandfitness;1140963463]
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    I know Layne personally. He is completely natty, never even dabbled in AAS, & never even seriously considered it. It's not even an option for him. Certain people see being natty as a personal badge of honor, and a challenge that they're willing to take on - they truly get intrinsic gratification from that. Also, Layne would not ever have to depend on being supraphysiologically huge & lean to make a good living at what he does. He already has the track record in terms of academics & contests, as well as a good reputation for knowing his sh!t. It's silly to think mounds of cash ride on his physique. But beyond all this, Layne has been training consistently for over a decade, and he does not surpass the published "natural limits" of fat free mass index, nor does he surpass Casey Butt's calculations of natural limits. People who vehemently accuse Layne of being on AAS genuinely make me LOL.
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    Originally Posted by alan aragon View Post
    I know Layne personally. He is completely natty, never even dabbled in AAS, & never even seriously considered it. It's not even an option for him. Certain people see being natty as a personal badge of honor, and a challenge that they're willing to take on - they truly get intrinsic gratification from that. Also, Layne would not ever have to depend on being supraphysiologically huge & lean to make a good living at what he does. He already has the track record in terms of academics & contests, as well as a good reputation for knowing his sh!t. It's silly to think mounds of cash ride on his physique. But beyond all this, Layne has been training consistently for over a decade, and he does not surpass the published "natural limits" of fat free mass index, nor does he surpass Casey Butt's calculations of natural limits. People who vehemently accuse Layne of being on AAS genuinely make me LOL.
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    Originally Posted by gymjunki3 View Post
    I got asked once at the gym if im not natty... fulking FTW

    true story lol

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    Originally Posted by necon76 View Post
    Yeah but you lift at Curves.
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    If mounds of cash don't lie in his physique or how he built it, then what's he really accomplishing by suing icecream fitness? Personal gratification? We all know Jason DB went off the deep end, but if he's really spending all that money on a lawyer to sue Jason on principle, I'm at a loss. I think LN really does have a lot to gain from being muscular and strong. I don't know him personally, I guess I'm just cynical after finding out Rob Riches wasn't natty either. JK on Rob Riches.
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