Layne Norton sueing Ice Cream fitness?

[psychodiver9]

@gym tempted to neg for posting Jason's vid. Srs

[likeawashboard]

If anyone thinks Layne is not natural then you seriously don't have a clue about gear use.

What makes it so obvious that he is not?

[snorkelman]

The letter is Pre-Action letter of claim to give Bwahaha a means of settling before litigation. The pdf is on his FB page.

^^ Thanks. 3.2 (on page 3) and 4.4-4.7 are the only real issues there IMO.

The whole stuff about whining that Jason referred to Layne as Lame Norstrom is childish at best. So what if it is insulting and mocking. This is the interwebz.

It cracked me up that these lawyers actually included Bagpuss in the whole matter, "to mock our client."

Seriously, I hope that Jason is considering sending them a counteroffer to settle, maybe agreeing to taking down the youtube videos in question, promising to not say mean stuff to Layne again, and telling them to shove it with the money. The promise to the court is a sneaky thing because it has real teeth because he can be found in contempt if he violates that, and THAT is much easier for Layne to be successful on I bet.

[naturalguy]

What makes it so obvious that he is not?

If you've followed Layne over the years and watched his progress (he didn't get to where he is overnight, he's been banging away at this for years) you can tell plus I've interacted with him many times in person

[Mattash2g]

If you've followed Layne over the years and watched his progress (he didn't get to where he is overnight, he's been banging away at this for years) you can tell plus I've interacted with him many times in person

are you trying to insinuate that it doesn't take years of progress on juice to get anywhere?

[Lvisaa2]

^^ Thanks. 3.2 (on page 3) and 4.4-4.7 are the only real issues there IMO.

The whole stuff about whining that Jason referred to Layne as Lame Norstrom is childish at best. So what if it is insulting and mocking. This is the interwebz.

It cracked me up that these lawyers actually included Bagpuss in the whole matter, "to mock our client."

Seriously, I hope that Jason is considering sending them a counteroffer to settle, maybe agreeing to taking down the youtube videos in question, promising to not say mean stuff to Layne again, and telling them to shove it with the money. The promise to the court is a sneaky thing because it has real teeth because he can be found in contempt if he violates that, and THAT is much easier for Layne to be successful on I bet.

From posts I've seen, he has no intentions to settle. In fact, he doesn't even feel threatened if he does lose because his assets are all in the US. I've stated my views with him. Not to mention, how his manner of taking the whole situation as a joke not only undermines his case, but his overall cause of bringing truth to the surface. I think it is a disservice to anyone else who may try to do something similar because if he loses the case then it opens a big can of worms and further protects the supplement industry which is built upon lies.

[naturalguy]

are you trying to insinuate that it doesn't take years of progress on juice to get anywhere?

No however I have A LOT of experience in the industry and being around many lifters

[Andrew_S]

Jesus Herbert Christ online fitness is dumb. I think 3dmj is the only one I pay any attention to now (coaches, not their G4P athletes).

XOXO

[ErickStevens]

Knowing Layne IRL, there is no way a nerd like that would ever mess with gear. This is the same guy who trains to the Mass Effect II sound track for fuk's sake.

[StephSkywalker]

Knowing Layne IRL, there is no way a nerd like that would ever mess with gear. This is the same guy who trains to the Mass Effect II sound track for fuk's sake.

Pssh.. Real nerds lift to the Final Fantasy VII and The Game of Thrones Soundtrack.. Not natty!!

[Geoloop]

Pssh.. Real nerds lift to the Final Fantasy VII and The Game of Thrones Soundtrack.. Not natty!!

bitch please, i lift with Gerudo Valley's song...

[gymjunki3]

@gym tempted to neg for posting Jason's vid. Srs

lol did you see it apparently Ian sent him a letter.

[Andrew_S]

You should lift go Guile's theme. I hear it goes with everything.



Now go home and be a family man.

[Kirra]

bitch please, i lift with Gerudo Valley's song...

Oh you funny guy, you almost had me there.

[psychodiver9]

lol did you see it apparently Ian sent him a letter.

I refuse to watch any of his videos and contribute to that nonsense

[sawoobley]

skip to 2:50 WTF?

I loled hard. Well played.

[gymjunki3]

so sad, not even funny.

[gymjunki3]

I loled hard. Well played.

I didnt get it, are Ian and Jason now friends? and that was a inside joke?

[sawoobley]

I didnt get it, are Ian and Jason now friends? and that was a inside joke?

He's basically saying Ian's physique is not achievable without the use of high does of cell-tech. Get it? Whether they are friends or not is besides the point. lol. He kept a pretty straight face while saying it which made it work IMO.

[gymjunki3]

He's basically saying Ian's physique is not achievable without the use of high does of cell-tech. Get it? Whether they are friends or not is besides the point. lol. He kept a pretty straight face while saying it which made it work IMO.

lol yeah got it not as funny as this

[Robernaut]

Nice write up, thanks for that.
Unless Blaha has substantive proof of his slanderous claims against Layne, he will be done for defamation. The most interesting part to me is that Layne does not even have to prove them to be false, the burden of proof lies solely on Jason. Lol he's fukked.

No worries.

It's not quite that cut and dry - nothing ever is There are good points that can be made on both sides.

In my humble opinion regardless of the rights and wrongs of this, if the case does get litigated and does go to trial neither man will emerge completely unscathed. It will have a financial and emotional cost to both men - not to mention the time lost spent fighting it.

[MASSter]

No worries.

It's not quite that cut and dry - nothing ever is There are good points that can be made on both sides.

In my humble opinion regardless of the rights and wrongs of this, if the case does get litigated and does go to trial neither man will emerge completely unscathed. It will have a financial and emotional cost to both men - not to mention the time lost spent fighting it.

That's one thing Jason has. Tons of time. Unemployment does this.

[Robernaut]

I didnt get it, are Ian and Jason now friends? and that was a inside joke?

Both Jason and Ian are YouTube bloggers and they are both exposed to the same risks in terms of getting sued for defamation. I guess on the issue of how far they believe they should be entitled to exercise their right to free speech, both Jason and Ian are in agreement.

[acrawlingchaos]

After reading this thread, I've decided it was high time I started my own Fitness Youtube Channel. It seems like all you need is someone to hate

Blaha parrots.
McCarthy is too adorable too take seriously.
Aragon is an obvious cancer to the field of nutrition.
Norton just can't be natty.
McDonald, doesn't even lift.
etc.
etc..
etc...


Just out of curiosity, how the **** was Blaha taken seriously enough for a lawsuit to occur?

Which reminds me. I will be looking for an arch-nemesis for my youtube channel. Those who are easily offended, aggressive or otherwise unstable, to the front of the line.

[WMLifting]

I value Jason's videos to help out others through nutritional and exercise science, but the whole situation between him and Layne is just childish on both their parts.

[gymjunki3]

[SumDumGoi]

Wow! I'm not a huge fan of Jason, but I have lost all respect for Layne with that letter. It basically stated that Layne is entitled for compensation for damages they can't prove exist. How exactly does that work? You don't get to go to court over hurt feelings. There must be actual damages that you incurred. Then the letter continues to say that they demand payment of these unspecified damages as part of the settlement to not sue him. How can Jason possibly even remedy this part of the letter? Its impossible! No damages were even provided.

Then on top of the unspecified damages they seek they Jason to pay for Lane's full legal costs that somehow equated to ~$23,000. Is that the price for drafting this letter? How does this work?

I can see possibly sending a cease and desist order asking Jason to take down the youtube videos. I think all Jason has to do is show up to court because he now has undeniable proof Layne isn't natty. I would personally recommend that Jason just show up to court and hand the judge this letter and say that there is no way that a menstruating vagina of this size is capable of producing enough endogenous testosterone to become as ripped as Layne. Case dismissed!

[SkydogGinsberg]

Wow! I'm not a huge fan of Jason, but I have lost all respect for Layne with that letter. It basically stated that Layne is entitled for compensation for damages they can't prove exist. How exactly does that work? You don't get to go to court over hurt feelings. There must be actual damages that you incurred. Then the letter continues to say that they demand payment of these unspecified damages as part of the settlement to not sue him. How can Jason possibly even remedy this part of the letter? Its impossible! No damages were even provided.

Then on top of the unspecified damages they seek they Jason to pay for Lane's full legal costs that somehow equated to ~$23,000. Is that the price for drafting this letter? How does this work?

That's not on Layne, though. The smart lawyer aims high, near high as impossible even if it sounds kinda dumb at first blush, because it "averages down/sorts itself" further towards the finish line. Even the lawyer knows it's not within reality—it's just how the initial moves of the chess game start. The lawyer says, "Hey Layne, your case looks good like this, I'm proposing we send: ...." Client says, "hmm... okay... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ". I've been on both ends of situations similar to this (w/ bigger parties/more gravity), it'll never see Court.

Two guys yelling at each other across the Atlantic. :shakesfist: First ¡hitch! to happen will be proving sufficient jurisdiction because the Judge doesn't want his time wasted, when he's got bigger "real" and domestic tasks at hand.

[SumDumGoi]

That's not on Layne, though. The smart lawyer aims high, near high as impossible even if it sounds kinda dumb at first blush, because it "averages down/sorts itself" further towards the finish line. Even the lawyer knows it's not within reality—it's just how the initial moves of the chess game start. The lawyer says, "Hey Layne, your case looks good like this, I'm proposing we send: ...." Client says, "hmm... okay... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ". I've been on both ends of situations similar to this (w/ bigger parties/more gravity), it'll never see Court.

The fact that Layne went ahead with this ridiculous lawsuit, however, IS on Layne. Also, according to the documents sent, Layne spent > $23k to have these lawyers send that letter. I agree that it will never see court, but that doesn't mean Layne isn't a giant vagina.

[SkydogGinsberg]

The fact that Layne went ahead with this ridiculous lawsuit, however, IS on Layne. Also, according to the documents sent, Layne spent > $23k to have these lawyers send that letter.

Nah, the lawyer "says" it's $23K of his time, but that's not really how it'll play out. He's had one of these written from his last dozen cases of similar ilk. They're hoping Jason will cave, settle up w/ "some" amount of money, which is mostly symbolic as "pound of flesh". Then lawyer will charge Layne maybe a couple 1.5-2 'K' or a percentage "depending" (how much further this goes). Typical "first four moves" of a chess game, nothing interesting yet. More entertaining would be a spin-the-globe lottery on where jurisdiction will finalize. UK, Idaho, Florida, California, Texas are the finalists (on the back of my napkin) ... and not in that order.