The welfare state needs to end

[ScubaStevo]

The U.S. can no longer afford to pay people not to work.

We can no longer afford social security, better known as socialism.

Over 50% of the Federal Budget goes to people who don't work and/or don't save/budget.

Interest on debt will soon make up a majority of our Federal Budget.

We need to cut welfare, social security, medicare, medicaid, etc.

People need to start taking initiative for their own lives.

The working few cannot take care of the entitled hoards.

Time to get real. Vote a small government conservative in in 2016.

[nutsy54]

Punish Success
Reward Failure

Don't be surprised which you get more of...

[Dragger]

Report to my sig. \/ \/ \/

[IraHays]

Brb, support sending jobs overseas and stagnant wages

Get mad when people can't afford to live

[ScubaStevo]

Brb, support sending jobs overseas and stagnant wages

Get mad when people can't afford to live

Lib:

Jobs get sent overseas because of Unions and Federal labor laws.

Do you want to pay $2,000 for your Iphone because jobs were mandated to stay in the U.S., where a union employee putting the Iphone together makes $200,000 a year in salary and benefits?

[Dragger]

I'm tired of working 45hrs a week, working holidays and weekends, while a quarter of my paycheck goes to the leeches that haven't held a job in their lives.

[PaulG]

[stealth_swimmer]

The U.S. can no longer afford to pay people not to work.

We can no longer afford social security, better known as socialism.

Over 50% of the Federal Budget goes to people who don't work and/or don't save/budget.

Interest on debt will soon make up a majority of our Federal Budget.

We need to cut welfare, social security, medicare, medicaid, etc.

People need to start taking initiative for their own lives.

The working few cannot take care of the entitled hoards.

Time to get real. Vote a small government conservative in in 2016.

Is that stat real or are you pulling it outta your ass? First, you're making it sound like someone shouldn't get help if they're outta work and making it sound like everyone on welfare simply doesn't budget. Secondly, you kinda neglect all the government spending on people with jobs - people who work for the government enforcing various unnecessary and often times even harmful policies.

As for welfare state needing to end, I'm with you on that. Doubt a small government conservative or liberal could get elected though. If I vote, will probably vote LP.

Also, the president doesn't change everything. Congress has a lot to do with it, too. The next Congressional election is in 2014, if you're into the whole voting thing.

[stealth_swimmer]

I'm tired of working 45hrs a week, working holidays and weekends, while a quarter of my paycheck goes to the leeches that haven't held a job in their lives.

Most of them probably *have* had jobs before...


Or are you talking about little children who are still in elementary school?

I'm upset I'm taxed just so the government can go around killing people all over the place and ruining lives, including here on US soil. There's way more stuff to be upset about and they're typically worse than the welfare programs. Military spending should come way down, regulations on businesses should come way down, overall taxes should come down, tariffs should come down, subsidies should be abolished, etc. Welfare spending does need to be cut though for financial reasons. Health care spending costs are rising rapidly in large part due to government meddling.

[BEATINGU]

Most of them probably *have* had jobs before...


Or are you talking about little children who are still in elementary school?

I'm upset I'm taxed just so the government can go around killing people all over the place and ruining lives, including here on US soil. There's way more stuff to be upset about and they're typically worse than the welfare programs. Military spending should come way down, regulations on businesses should come way down, overall taxes should come down, tariffs should come down, subsidies should be abolished, etc. Welfare spending does need to be cut though for financial reasons. Health care spending costs are rising rapidly in large part due to government meddling.

Lmao @ lib saying welfare shouldn't be cut for financial reasons. You think we can afford spending over a trillion dollars a year on entitlement programs?

[deepintexas91]

Your conservative leanings are apparent when you don't address the growing police state

[ScubaStevo]

Most of them probably *have* had jobs before...


Or are you talking about little children who are still in elementary school?

I'm upset I'm taxed just so the government can go around killing people all over the place and ruining lives, including here on US soil. There's way more stuff to be upset about and they're typically worse than the welfare programs. Military spending should come way down, regulations on businesses should come way down, overall taxes should come down, tariffs should come down, subsidies should be abolished, etc. Welfare spending does need to be cut though for financial reasons. Health care spending costs are rising rapidly in large part due to government meddling.

In after bleeding heart lib

[Dragger]

Most of them probably *have* had jobs before...


Or are you talking about little children who are still in elementary school?

I'm upset I'm taxed just so the government can go around killing people all over the place and ruining lives, including here on US soil. There's way more stuff to be upset about and they're typically worse than the welfare programs. Military spending should come way down, regulations on businesses should come way down, overall taxes should come down, tariffs should come down, subsidies should be abolished, etc. Welfare spending does need to be cut though for financial reasons. Health care spending costs are rising rapidly in large part due to government meddling.

Most have had a job, but most of those haven't held onto it, which is why I said held onto a job.

And no, obviously not children, mentally/physically challenged, or over 70yrs-old. I'm talking 18-69, able bodied. If they don't want to work to eat? F*ck'em, let them starve. If they have children and don't want to work to feed them, take the children away from them for being irresponsible and neglecting their children.

[PaulG]

In after bleeding heart lib

At least make a comment worth responding to. No sustenance to this one. Welfare state is exploding and there is nothing you or I can ever do to stop it.

In after sociopathic fascist

[ScubaStevo]

At least make a comment worth responding to. No sustenance to this one. Welfare state is exploding and there is nothing you or I can ever do to stop it.

In after sociopathic fascist

If this isn't the farthest left thing I have ever read, I don't know what is.

BRB communism has one - accept the fact that America will now be called Big Detroit.

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!

[PaulG]

If this isn't the farthest left thing I have ever read, I don't know what is.

BRB communism has one - accept the fact that America will now be called Big Detroit.

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!

LOL a democratically accountable society that is fully capable of making charitable economic decisions is not communism. Would you rather local mom and pop business bankrupt because our glorious federal reserve banking system is failing to propagate a successfully centralized economic system for its people.

This is the best kind of society they have to offer. And, you have nothing but, antiquated ideas that have been debunked by economists for decades now.





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" A well run welfare state is a decent kind of society."

[ScubaStevo]

Lib:

I am not watching your lib-hack krugman

1. What went wrong in Detroit?
2. Why does California have 33% of the nation's welfare recipients?

[PaulG]

Lib:

I am not watching your lib-hack krugman

1. What went wrong in Detroit?
2. Why does California have 33% of the nation's welfare recipients?

Is that because you might agree with Krugman? Are you afraid?

hillbilly:

1.Thug glorification and failure of the Prussian educational system went wrong in Detroit.
2.Why does California have more GDP than Texas? Why is Texas have half the GDP per capita in rankings than Cali.

[ScubaStevo]

Is that because you might agree with Krugman? Are you afraid?

hillbilly:

Thug glorification and failure of the Prussian educational system went wrong in Detroit. Why does California have more GDP than Texas? Why is Texas have half the GDP per capita in rankings than Cali.

1. Giving money to people who don't want to work is wrong

2. Democrats ruined detroit.

[stealth_swimmer]

Lmao @ lib saying welfare shouldn't be cut for financial reasons. You think we can afford spending over a trillion dollars a year on entitlement programs?

Read my post again

"Welfare spending does need to be cut though for financial reasons."


And I don't see why you'd point out someone being liberal. Anyone could just as easily say "lmao @ con..."

1. Giving money to people who don't want to work is wrong

2. Democrats ruined detroit.

Agreed with #1 (I don't know what ruined Detroit, so I won't go there, but part of it would have to be people not being able to enter alternative lines of business/employment). However, not everyone who receives welfare benefits of some sort is the type of person who simply doesn't want to work.

[ScubaStevo]

Read my post again

"Welfare spending does need to be cut though for financial reasons."

And moral reasons.

We need to stop stealing from the producers to give to the deadbeats

[LikeEmThik]

Brb, support sending jobs overseas and stagnant wages

Get mad when people can't afford to live

Highest corporate tax rates in the world, complain when companies keep as much money overseas as possible.

[PaulG]

1. Giving money to people who don't want to work is wrong

2. Democrats ruined detroit.

1. The amount of people that don't want to work is an anomalous statistic, and most likely suffer from psychological issues. Infact, many elites agree that there are to many people in the first place which ultimately devalues human capital. Artificially propping individuals up as consumers is a common competitive economic tactic. If we could subsidize Mexicans with our food stuffs, on the strict terms that those food producers would pay taxes to our government, we would.

2. And the top GDP per capita states are all lib states. Texas is rank 24 GDP per person, and thats all you got.

[stealth_swimmer]

LOL a democratically accountable society that is fully capable of making charitable economic decisions is not communism. Would you rather local mom and pop business bankrupt because our glorious federal reserve banking system is failing to propagate a successfully centralized economic system for its people.

This is the best kind of society they have to offer. And, you have nothing but, antiquated ideas that have been debunked by economists for decades now.





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" A well run welfare state is a decent kind of society."

Uh...kinda hard to say what a "properly" centralized system is. The more centralized systems tend not to be as efficient at benefiting the average person and are not necessarily more stable. Canada had a more decentralized banking system at points in history without financial crises, and many of the crises in American history are due to bad bank regulations in part (along with the particulars of those panics/crises).

Also, you can have a "decent" (whatever that means) and charitable society without welfare programs. It's what the US had before we had a ton of welfare programs. On a side note, not saying there's any causation here or anything, but the poverty rate was slowly declining before the Great Society type of stuff and then afterward it stopped declining.

[stealth_swimmer]

1. The amount of people that don't want to work is an anomalous statistic, and most likely suffer from psychological issues. Infact, many elites agree that there are to many people in the first place which ultimately devalues human capital. Artificially propping individuals up as consumers is a common competitive economic tactic. If we could subsidize Mexicans with our food stuffs, on the strict terms that those food producers would pay taxes to our government, we would.

2. And the top GDP per capita states are all lib states. Texas is rank 24 GDP per person, and thats all you got.

Doesn't mean it works or is efficient/sane. If you encourage more consumption at all given levels of income, it means less savings and investment, which is where the *long-term* benefits and economic growth come from.

[stealth_swimmer]

And moral reasons.

We need to stop stealing from the producers to give to the deadbeats

First of all, they're not all deadbeats. Secondly, how about stopping corporate welfare as well? Those are people with jobs, but we still shouldn't be subsidizing them and giving them special privileges. How about we simply *stop stealing*?

[BEATINGU]

2. And the top GDP per capita states are all lib states. Texas is rank 24 GDP per person, and thats all you got.

Can you stop making things up, lib.

GDP per capita by state

1. District of Columbia (not a real state)
2. Delaware (tiny lib state)
3. Alaska (conservative state)
4. Connecticut (lib state)
5. Wyoming (conservative state)

[Dragger]

And moral reasons.

We need to stop stealing from the producers to give to the deadbeats

This.

Everyday I drive to work I make my way through my apartment parking lot, lazy welfare moochers stare at me like I'm doing something wrong or don't belong.

[PaulG]

Uh...kinda hard to say what a "properly" centralized system is. The more centralized systems tend not to be as efficient at benefiting the average person and are not necessarily more stable. Canada had a more decentralized banking system at points in history without financial crises, and many of the crises in American history are due to bad bank regulations in part (along with the particulars of those panics/crises).

Also, you can have a "decent" (whatever that means) and charitable society without welfare programs. It's what the US had before we had a ton of welfare programs. On a side note, not saying there's any causation here or anything, but the poverty rate was slowly declining before the Great Society type of stuff and then afterward it stopped declining.

There is no such thing as a "proper" centralized system. Centralization has no democratic accountability especially when privatized because it has the incentive to balloon government power. You need real time competition to keep entitys in check to their constituents.

Not in America. Charities here consist of are horrible people that propagates wasteful allocation of resources. How much did the Red cross CEO make last year? Couple hundred million? Ya, totally non profit. The charity business is highly exploitative, inefficient and wasteful. There is absolutely zero democratic accountability with charity. You don't know what where money donating will go. Unlike agencies that are democratically accountable that pool funds through government.

[PaulG]

Can you stop making things up, lib.

GDP per capita by state

1. District of Columbia (not a real state)
2. Delaware (tiny lib state)
3. Alaska (lib state)
4. Connecticut (lib state)
5. Wyoming (conservative state)

6.Pennsylvania(lib)
7.New York(lib)
8.New Jersey(lib)
9.Virginia(lib)
10.Washington(lib)

1/10 is a nice try Alaska doesn't count