How come you see one side of diet plans suggesting macro-moderation or some sort of balanced ratio with carbs typically being the highest, but then when you see what the pro bodybuilders are eating like coleman, cutler, heath, arnold etc it's like 85-90% protein and a bit of brown rice or potatoes. So if these guys are monsters and have insane bodies, why should we listen to anybody else's advice? Do you actually need carbs, and fat for the matter for building serious muscle and getting/keeping lean, or is it purely for energy?
Thread: Why do you need carbs?
06-12-2013, 07:12 PM #1
Why do you need carbs?
06-12-2013, 07:28 PM #2Actual ------> Goal
265 ---------> 405
350 ---------> 600
425 ---------> 700
06-12-2013, 10:42 PM #3
I hear what you're saying, but at the same time if what you're saying is accurate then that logic would apply to anyone, regardless of roid/synthol use, right? building muscle is building muscle... Anyway, those guys I mentioned do consume carbs, but their ratio is heavily protein centric. Here's an example of Cutlers diet plan. It's not exactly like this, but slight variations of it.
Jay Cutler Breakfast and Lunch Routine
Meal 1: 15 g whites, 3 whole eggs, 1 cup oatmeal, 1 bagel, 1 glass orange juice, water and multivitamin
Meal 2: 8 oz. steak and 1.5 cups white rice
Meal 3: 8 oz. chicken and 1 cup brown rice
Jay Cutler Dinner
1 serving Glutamine and 1 serving of Vitamin B
Meal 4: 10 oz. chicken and 3 cups white rice with onions and garlic
Meal 5: 8 oz. chicken and 1 cup brown rice
Meal 6: Protein Shake
Meal 7: 14 egg whites and 1 cup oatmeal
Jay Cutler Supplements
1 serving of each of the following: Glutamine, Zinc, Calcium, Magnesium, Vitamin B Complex and Vitamin C
If you watch Colemans videos he eats like 12 egg whites for breakfast, then a protein shake, then some chicken/rice, then some hamburgers/rice, and chicken/rice again at TGI's. with maybe a protein shake in between some of those meals. And a ton of vitamins and supplements.
I think a moderate diet is for regular people who aren't trying to gain muscle. Simple carbs burn off fast--excess fat and protein would turn to fat if you don't work out and lift weights.
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06-12-2013, 11:23 PM #4
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Protein is the building blocks for building muscle. Carbs give your body the energy to maintain homeostasis and build muscle. Fats are your body's preferred source of energy and facilitate the digestion of vitamins.
Bodybuilders are on so many steroids that they need the protein because their bodies use all of it up. If we were to take as much protein as they, half of it would go to waste because our bodies can't process that much protein at once.
A clean weightlifter would benefit from a 40-40-20 Carbrotein:fat ratio. Everyone has different ideas as to what the ratio should be but thats my idea.Eat clean. Lift dirty.
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06-13-2013, 06:29 AM #5
You are viewing things too black and white. Just because they gain a lot of muscle doesn't mean that is "the diet" if you want to gain muscle.Actual ------> Goal
265 ---------> 405
350 ---------> 600
425 ---------> 700
06-23-2013, 06:15 AM #6
06-23-2013, 06:20 AM #7
Technically carbohydrates are the only non-essential macro-nutrient. So in essence, you don't "need" them. They do have their place however. Have fun performing a heavy weight training session with depleted glycogen stores.Best raw lifts: 660/480/660 | http://www.youtube.com/user/invain622002 | IG: NsattPL
06-23-2013, 06:21 AM #8
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06-27-2013, 01:20 AM #9
Unless you're 250+ pounds, weightlift 3 hours a day, take truck loads of supplements, and have a totally clean and regimented diet, I'd suggest you don't follow in the footsteps of professional body builders. It is a completely unrealistic way of life for the vast majority of people.
Why do we need carbs? Energy. Try running 10 miles on a low carb diet. After that experience I guarantee you'll gain an appreciation for why carbs make workouts so much more comfortable.
Athletes need carbs to perform. If you're not an athlete or don't do any cardio, then by all means adopt a low carb diet for weight loss...
06-27-2013, 03:08 PM #10
But like everyone else is saying, you can't follow the routines of these bodybuilders. They are genetic freaks, as well as on steroids and who knows what else. Don't try and compare yourselves to them. In weight training and dieting it's not about trying to look like this or that guy, it's all about being the best YOU that you can be.It's not about the size of the dog in the fight, it's about the size of the fight in the dog.
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07-10-2013, 06:17 PM #14
If you plan on hitting the weights with any sort of intensity, good luck doing so without carbs in the tank. There are other pathways in which the body can generate ATP, but they're inefficient compared to fueling the body with carbohydrate. Lack of glycogen leads to lack of energy (poor performance), fatigue, and worst of all -- injury. Cliffs, if you want to perform well in the gym, life, etc. eat carbs. )MMDELAD
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