Stop recommending starting strength and strong lifts to noobs (srs)

[LMStruth]

Both rippletoe and mehdi don't know wtf they're talking about. I've done both and they're terrible programs.

[Lastman13]

Came in expecting a non-avi.

[grunt88]

usually people provide alternatives when they make claims like that op.

[Croatbrah]

inb4 natty debate

[Brbsquattin]

Both rippletoe and mehdi don't know wtf they're talking about. I've done both and they're terrible programs.

Lmao

[SxeSam]

Awaiting pics of the progress OP made on these programs

[xJuggHeadx]

i like the name rippletoe

has a funny ring to it.

[GrambleBoy]

Look at my sig for my stats on SL.

U mad *******?

[sub996]

fuk you op rippetoe is the man

[APwn]

I agree with OP. Did SS for a long time, got fat with minor strength gains and pretty much zero muscle gains. Also ****ed up my shoulders somewhat.

[TheFeels]

Enlighten us to your perfect program, oh god of fitness.

[RealityKings]

SS is the best thing you can do during your first year.
No-Avi's gonna No-avi.

[dman2]

Possibly this, I gained a chitload of fat and just 5 pounds a month on my bench as a noob, even though I had about 3 to 4k calories a day and at least 200g of protonz. but my squat went up 100lbs in record time lol.

[toneag]

PM me your routine OP I want jacked fibraz like you got.

[LMStruth]

SS is the best thing you can do during your first year.
No-Avi's gonna No-avi.

Yeah, if you wanna be a bloated powerlifter, sure.

THIS IS BODYBUILDING.COM *******

[retiredrunner]

you could leg press but thats gay

[JLN]

SS is the best thing you can do during your first year.
No-Avi's gonna No-avi.

This. Made mad gains on SS, strength went through the roof

[LMStruth]

you could leg press but thats gay

Omg so 3dgy and so funny

I'm definitely gonna take advice from some fat biggot ******* who thinks every male should be 200+ lbs

[SxeSam]

Did you even bother to read the book OP? Do you even diet?

[NZninja101]

Starting Strength is a mediocre strength program... but a good template. Add a few assistance lifts and it's fine.

[LMStruth]

Did you even bother to read the book OP? Do you even diet?

Yes and yes. It still sucks. Not enough volume.

[TheLetterD]

How about, instead of following any program, just do what works for you?

[budfut]

sniffle....but h.h..how else do you get t..tt.tt-rex mode?

[CoolKnees]

You dumb kunts SS is not a routine for aesthetics. It's a routine for beginners to get as strong as possible, as fast as possible. Once you get strong, THEN you switch to a bodybuilding workout.

[LMStruth]

You dumb kunts SS is not a routine for aesthetics. It's a routine for beginners to get as strong as possible, as fast as possible. Once you get strong, THEN you switch to a bodybuilding workout.

No shiet shirlock. Why would a bodybuilder want to go full on t-rex mode?

[Jay3]

For bodybuilding, Layne Nortons PHAT is a much better program in my opinion. Or any other solid upper.lower split.

[Simmo0508]

Depends on goals...

Strength training primarily is different to a hypertrophy based program. Most of us here who just train for aesthetics and muscle don't necessarily need to use SS when starting out. A lot of the movements are very technical and a noob who's never lifted a weight in his life can't always cope with that.

Me myself, i started training at gyms when i was 18 and just smashed the machines until i felt i knew the movement patterns and was confident to use the free weights and had some muscle at least on my frame. Then i drifted onto primarily free weight routines.

But i think to use SS, for a noob lifter who's young and starting out, isn't always the best idea if he's just looking for dem aesthetics. Plenty of other ways. Even bodyweight ****gytime **** is still needed at the start of a lifters training life.

[APwn]

No shiet shirlock. Why would a bodybuilder want to go full on t-rex mode?

And yet newbs who just want to look good get told to do SS or 5x5 all the time. If you only care about aesthetics you are probably better off with a bro split or strength/hypertrophy hybrid.

[lucas2]

How about, instead of following any program, just do what works for you?

Yeh, because noobs know exactly what works for them.

[SenorGomez]

A good routine that balances both strength and muscle building is a simple PUSH/PULL/LEGS/OFF split. Higher frequency for a beginner is usually better, I would even suggest an Upper/Lower split 2-3 times a week if his body was ready for it.

SS is good for strength but you should really be looking into a higher frequency bodybuilding program for most of your mass gains. I've seen people gain a decent amount of strength on SS but those mass gains aren't as noticeable.

My 2 cents...