New Trayvon Martin photos released into evidence

[Farley1324]

Farley seems fairly factual, what has he made up about the case?

Nothing.

[hooked4life]

Lmao, you mean when I was right? You can use deadly force justifiably, without even EVER being touched, assuming your state has some sort of stand your ground/castle doctrine.

Reps from who? The other 2 liars in here, krane, jafo? Oh noes!!!!

It physically pains me to think that a 36 year old can read what I wrote and think "they were right."

[Dragger]

That's him trying to assert that I'm an "admitted troll" so he can discredit me. He refuses to back that claim up, or apologize for it. I'm been on him for PAGES about it. A few pages back he was involved in a total miss-statement of self-defense laws that he just moved past without any acknowledgment. There was another thread a few weeks ago where he went on for pages trying to claim that laws granting one person a monopoly on a certain kind of speech, "wasn't" a restriction on free speech. He did this because he cares more about "winning" for his argument than being right.

I asked what about the case has he made up.

[hooked4life]

I asked what about the case has he made up.

Of couuurrrrrseeee making up things about the law and other posters - naaaaa that doesn't matter.

[DennisR1977]

It physically pains me to think that a 36 year old can read what I wrote and think "they were right."

I absolutely was, and still am right.

[DennisR1977]

Of couuurrrrrseeee making up things about the law and other posters - naaaaa that doesn't matter.

Funny, you admitted you were playing devils advocate, hence, trolling.

[jacklambert58]

The biggest IRL debate/argument I got into with somebody last year when this incident was relatively recent was because this particular individual absolutely insisted that violence against another person is never acceptable. Period. He believes, quite literally as we discussed this, that even a woman locked in her house when her abusive ex husband showed up drunk and armed with a butcher knife kicked the door down and ran at her saying he was going to ****ing rape and murder her would not be justified in using a firearm to defend herself. He simply believes that anybody who would own a handgun, let alone carry one, is evil and deserves to be put in prison for life.

There are people who think like that, some not as drastically, but the same principle, who automatically take up for Martin.

There are others who use race as an excuse to automatically take up for Martin (even though evidence indicates Martin was the racist one involved in this).

I dislike both of the above positions, and will argue against them.

Damn unrealistic pacifist...I knew one pacifist dude that would lecture about mma matches...

Yeah I think the other side just sees a dead boy, and how senseless it seems so they are quick to find a villain. I don't think Zimmerman is a "murderer" per se but he was involved in a major phuck up.

[hooked4life]

I absolutely was, and still am right.

No, just not at all.

[Farley1324]

Funny, you admitted you were playing devils advocate, hence, trolling.

Ding Ding Ding

[LukeLissen]

hooked4life cant admit defeat or just leave. Its odd he continues to fight even in his defeat.

[DennisR1977]

No, just not at all.

Your lack if knowledge on the law is pathetic. Especially when your only backers are krane and jafo. Oh, and your "lawyer friends".

[Dragger]

Of couuurrrrrseeee making up things about the law and other posters - naaaaa that doesn't matter.

I don't care about that he said/she said drama. What about the case or the law has he made up or lied about?

[Bucher15]

hooked4life cant admit defeat or just leave. Its odd he continues to fight even in his defeat.

Emotion is a dangerous thing when it trumps all logic and common sense.

[hooked4life]

Ding Ding Ding

Ohhh I see - so now you've got a cheerleader and you drop a pair of balls?

Devil's advocate

"In common parlance, a devil's advocate is someone who, given a certain argument, takes a position he or she does not necessarily agree with, for the sake of debate. In taking this position, the individual taking on the devil's advocate role seeks to engage others in an argumentative discussion process. The purpose of such process is typically to test the quality of the original argument and identify weaknesses in its structure, and to use such information to either improve or abandon the original, opposing position. It can also refer to someone who takes a stance that is seen as unpopular or unconventional, but is actually another way of arguing a much more conventional stance."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%27s_advocate

[DennisR1977]

Ding Ding Ding

You better apologize mister......for telling the damn truth!!!!!

[ODBM]

Martin knows how to pick his girlfriend too! Seems Martin is the racist not Zimmerman!



What can I say, this is simply riveting testimony, it is Witness # 8, the female witness who in a March 20, 2012, presser said her testimony blows Zimmerman's self-defense claim out of the water. Crump said she "connects the dots."

There is so much to this testimony I don't know where to begin. I'll just provide some bullet points:

- Her name is Rachel Jeantel. She has gone by the names "Dee Dee" and "Diamond."

- She is 19. In fall 2013 she returns to school, she will be in the 12th grade.

- Her mom is Haitian and from there. She lives with her mom.

- By her testimony (on direct) she has arguably proven that it is Trayvon Martin who was the racist. He described Zimmerman as a "creepy ass cracka," "*****" and other racist terms. She testifies that "creepy ass cracker" meant a "white individual."

- Her testimony established Trayvon Martin was bitter, angry, and the aggressor that night.

- She eventually will prove (see West's cross examination) that just about everything Crump said in his March 20, 2012, presser was a lie. (We have been saying that since April of last year.

This is interesting. Repped. Do you have a source?

[Farley1324]

I don't care about that he said/she said drama. What about the case or the law has he made up or lied about?

Nothing.

[hooked4life]

I don't care about that he said/she said drama. What about the case or the law has he made up or lied about?

Well Farley was wrong about self-defense law as well. Post #1795, it's on page 60.

[Dragger]

hooked4life cant admit defeat or just leave. Its odd he continues to fight even in his defeat.

Even after the verdict, the Martin supporters will keep making false claims.

[hooked4life]

Even after the verdict, the Martin supporters will keep making false claims.

You must have missed the post where I said I think it's likely Zimmerman will be found innocent.

[Bucher15]

You must have missed the post where I said I think it's likely Zimmerman will be found innocent.

It must have gotten buried among your constant nonsensical bickering posts.

[jafomofo]

Lmao, you mean when I was right? You can use deadly force justifiably, without even EVER being touched, assuming your state has some sort of stand your ground/castle doctrine.

Reps from who? The other 2 liars in here, krane, jafo? Oh noes!!!!

What did I lie about?

[Dragger]

Post 1795, page 60...

Correct.

Wow, devastating way of making up crap and lying I'm just not seeing.

[Dragger]

You must have missed the post where I said I think it's likely Zimmerman will be found innocent.

I thought you said you didn't support Martin and was not a Martin supporter? Thought you were completely neutral and not taking any sides?

[hooked4life]

Post 1795, page 60...

Wow, devastating way of making up crap and lying I'm just not seeing.

Can I ask you a question, and just have you be honest? Are you REALLY not seeing that, or are you just buried in the hostility that has developed and looking to score a cheap shot?

DennisR1977 posted this.

No, he just has to have reasonable fear of death OR great bodily harm.

Farley, quoted that, and said

Correct.

Dennis is wrong, and Farley became wrong when he quoted it and said "correct."

[hooked4life]

I thought you said you didn't support Martin and was not a Martin supporter? Thought you were completely neutral and not taking any sides?

Yeah, correct. The jury needs to determine, factually, what happened. However, given the way the Florida law is written I think Zimmerman won't be convicted. I don't understand what "support" or "neutrally" has to do with this.

[Dragger]

Yeah, correct. The jury needs to determine, factually, what happened. However, given the way the Florida law is written I think Zimmerman won't be convicted. I don't understand what "support" or "neutrally" has to do with this.

You claim for 70 pages you do not support Martin, yet every time I mention "Martin Supporters", you immediately jump up and respond.

[DennisR1977]

Can I ask you a question, and just have you be honest? Are you REALLY not seeing that, or are you just buried in the hostility that has developed and looking to score a cheap shot?

DennisR1977 posted this.



Farley, quoted that, and said



Dennis is wrong, and Farley became wrong when he quoted it and said "correct."

You're wrong, it's okay, and I'll show you how too.

If I pull a knife on you and lunge at you, all you have is a FEAR of death or great bodily harm, you can justifiably shoot me in self defense without me EVER touching you. It can't be something made up like you suggested, it has to be a reasonable fear, period.

[JonZ]

Wheres everyone watching the trial?

Cable.. streaming?

[metroins]

You claim for 70 pages you do not support Martin, yet every time I mention "Martin Supporters", you immediately jump up and respond.

To be fair, not many people in the thread are on Martins side, so having at least one person to bash gives us somebody to talk about.

Jafomofo is just wrong, at least hooked tries to fight back.