New Trayvon Martin photos released into evidence

[KRANE]

Injuries do not need to be received in order for lawful lethal force to be justified in self defense.

Well isn't that convenient. All you need to kill then is to "think" you're in trouble and let the bullets fly?

[Dragger]

And that punishment should be death?

School much? Fights happen even in the best of schools. Knife and gun fights aren't normal.

As for 5'7" Zimmerman he's as big as a house and in his prime. But you agree that the penalty should be death?

Martin apparently attacked a person he did not know and did not know was armed, that's a stupid mistake and he paid for it. What if Zimmerman were unarmed but had 15 years Krav Maga and MMA training and killed Martin after Martin attacked him?

Fights happen in school, but it's not normal. It is not normal behavior to attack some one, WTF is wrong with you?!?!

As far as what Martin deserved? If a blindfolded person walks across the interstate, do they deserve the death penalty? If an MMA fighter dies in a fight did he deserve death? If a race car driver dies racing on the track, does he deserve to die? If a tree falls on a lumberjack, does he deserve to die?

What we all deserve has nothing to do with what we get. Some work their asses off for 60 years and don't have sh*t to show for it. Some never work a day in their lives but collect, undeservingly, food stamps, housing, welfare, etc...

Martin made a stupid mistake, he died for it.

[Farley1324]

Well isn't that convenient. All you need to kill then is to "think" you're in trouble and let the bullets fly?

I'm not sure what you are referring to.

And I notice that you put the word think in quotation marks.

Can you please tell me what you are quoting? Where did you get the word "think"?

Can you please provide the full quote?

Thank you in advance.

[KRANE]

Martin made a stupid mistake, he died for it.

Or Zimmerman murdered an unarmed youth. Whats say we wait until after the trial to find that out?

[ScubaStevo]

Or Zimmerman murdered an unarmed youth. Whats say we wait until after the trial to find that out?

A man defending himself with a gun while getting his head slammed onto the concrete is murder.

You learn something new everyday!

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!

Glad not ever lib is like this at least!

[metroins]

Zimmerman being interviewed by 3 cops; I never heard it before now.



reenactment video around 18 minute mark shows scuffle

[KRANE]

I'm not sure what you are referring to.

And I notice that you put the word think in quotation marks.

Can you please tell me what you are quoting? Where did you get the word "think"?

Can you please provide the full quote?

Thank you in advance.

The quotes are for emphasis. All of what you're making absolute on is in fact speculation. Your attack, is my self-defense. One or the other will be determined after the trial.

The imminent danger is a judgment call made by Zimmerman which now he has to account for, and prove to a jury. As it should be.

[Farley1324]

The quotes are for emphasis. All of what you're making absolute on is in fact speculation. Your attack, is my self-defense. One or the other will be determined after the trial.

The imminent danger is a judgment call made by Zimmerman which now he has to account for, and prove to a jury. As it should be.

You don't seem to understand the purpose of quotation marks. They aren't for you to emphasize something, they are for quoting something. Hence the name, quotation marks.

Hope this helps.

[Dragger]

Or Zimmerman murdered an unarmed youth. Whats say we wait until after the trial to find that out?

The trial will make no difference with you, even if the jury determined Zimmerman acted in self-defense your closed minded racism will tell you it was because most of the jury is white. You even already made a reference to an honest trial after you heard about the jury.

[LukeLissen]

Well its apparent the Trayvon side of this discussion is losing their arguments badly here. If the actual case goes this way, Zimmerman will walk.

[Dragger]

Well its apparent the Trayvon side of this discussion is losing their arguments badly here. If the actual case goes this way, Zimmerman will walk.

So far the prosecution is failing just as badly and he will.

[hooked4life]

You don't seem to understand the purpose of quotation marks. They aren't for you to emphasize something, they are for quoting something. Hence the name, quotation marks.

Hope this helps.

By the way - while you're talking about quoting people - you said a few pages back that I "openly admitted" to trolling. I'm still waiting for that quote, or your apology.

[jacklambert58]

Curious as to why so many people ITT seem so personally tied to this case...it's like your team is in the super bowl x 1000....

Is it the race angle (either way) that peaks your interest?

[hooked4life]

Well its apparent the Trayvon side of this discussion is losing their arguments badly here. If the actual case goes this way, Zimmerman will walk.

While you apparently like to call people out for not admitting when they are wrong - then run away from providing any proof of that. More than a little ironic.

[Spencer24]

Martin knows how to pick his girlfriend too! Seems Martin is the racist not Zimmerman!



What can I say, this is simply riveting testimony, it is Witness # 8, the female witness who in a March 20, 2012, presser said her testimony blows Zimmerman's self-defense claim out of the water. Crump said she "connects the dots."

There is so much to this testimony I don't know where to begin. I'll just provide some bullet points:

- Her name is Rachel Jeantel. She has gone by the names "Dee Dee" and "Diamond."

- She is 19. In fall 2013 she returns to school, she will be in the 12th grade.

- Her mom is Haitian and from there. She lives with her mom.

- By her testimony (on direct) she has arguably proven that it is Trayvon Martin who was the racist. He described Zimmerman as a "creepy ass cracka," "*****" and other racist terms. She testifies that "creepy ass cracker" meant a "white individual."

- Her testimony established Trayvon Martin was bitter, angry, and the aggressor that night.

- She eventually will prove (see West's cross examination) that just about everything Crump said in his March 20, 2012, presser was a lie. (We have been saying that since April of last year.

[Dragger]

Curious as to why so many people ITT seem so personally tied to this case...it's like your team is in the super bowl x 1000....

Is it the race angle (either way) that peaks your interest?

I've been a strong supporter for gun rights and rights for self-defense for years. You'll see me post in almost every gun thread. More than half of my repps have come from them.

However the Martin supporters, you won't see them posting in a thread where the same thing happens but the races reversed. That should tell you something.

[hooked4life]

Curious as to why so many people ITT seem so personally tied to this case...it's like your team is in the super bowl x 1000....

Is it the race angle (either way) that peaks your interest?

My life is all about laws, rights, and the intersection of the two. I duno' about anyone else.

[metroins]

Wow....in the renactment video which couldn't have been much after the incident, Zimmerman says he was the one screaming for help.

Z still has the bandaids on his head, and this was probably well before all the evidenced 911 calls were gone through etc.

[jacklambert58]

I've been a strong supporter for gun rights and rights for self-defense for years. You'll see me post in almost every gun thread.

However the Martin supporters, you won't see them posting in a thread where the same thing happens but the races reversed. That should tell you something.

Okay I can respect that...so basically this case is more a symbol of some bigger struggle beyond just the (disputed) facts of this case (on both sides) - gun rights, racial hypocrisy, the propriety of profiling, etc.

[Dragger]

Okay I can respect that...so basically this case is more a symbol of some bigger struggle beyond just the (disputed) facts of this case (on both sides) - gun rights, racial hypocrisy, the propriety of profiling, etc.

For me it is. It represents the 2nd Amendment and sends a message to criminals that go around attacking, assaulting, robbing, raping, etc... I've worked most my life, have almost always had a job or two since I was 14, worked hard 20 years, have a family, and I'll be damned if some lazy punk breaks into my house and threatens my family or steals my car or property that I worked hard for just because he's too lazy.

At 18 I had nothing but a $700 car, no home, nothing. Lived in my car, joined the Army, and thankful for all I have.

[Farley1324]

Okay I can respect that...so basically this case is more a symbol of some bigger struggle beyond just the (disputed) facts of this case (on both sides) - gun rights, racial hypocrisy, the propriety of profiling, etc.

The biggest IRL debate/argument I got into with somebody last year when this incident was relatively recent was because this particular individual absolutely insisted that violence against another person is never acceptable. Period. He believes, quite literally as we discussed this, that even a woman locked in her house when her abusive ex husband showed up drunk and armed with a butcher knife kicked the door down and ran at her saying he was going to ****ing rape and murder her would not be justified in using a firearm to defend herself. He simply believes that anybody who would own a handgun, let alone carry one, is evil and deserves to be put in prison for life.

There are people who think like that, some not as drastically, but the same principle, who automatically take up for Martin.

There are others who use race as an excuse to automatically take up for Martin (even though evidence indicates Martin was the racist one involved in this).

I dislike both of the above positions, and will argue against them.

[hooked4life]

Farley, you are however, very willing to just make things up in your attempts to support what you feel is right. I can't respect that.

[jacklambert58]

For me it is. It represents the 2nd Amendment and sends a message to criminals that go around attacking, assaulting, robbing, raping, etc... I've worked most my life, have almost always had a job or two since I was 14, worked hard 20 years, have a family, and I'll be damned if some lazy punk breaks into my house and threatens my family or steals my car or property that I worked hard for just because he's too lazy.

At 18 I had nothing but a $700 car, no home, nothing. Lived in my car, joined the Army, and thankful for all I have.

Oh I hear ya....I think 99'9% of every one here are decent, good people with valid points....this ghey earth just has a way of kicking everyone down and it's hard to find justice

[DennisR1977]

Farley, you are however, very willing to just make things up in your attempts to support what you feel is right. I can't respect that.

Oh lawd. Did you consult with your lawyer friends on this?

[Dragger]

Farley, you are however, very willing to just make things up in your attempts to support what you feel is right. I can't respect that.

Farley seems fairly factual, what has he made up about the case?

[hooked4life]

Oh lawd. Did you consult with your lawyer friends on this?

Don't even, you're even worse than Farley. If I wanted to be a dick I'd post the rep comments I got when I, attempted, to educate you re: self-defense laws.

[metroins]

Curious as to why so many people ITT seem so personally tied to this case...it's like your team is in the super bowl x 1000....

Is it the race angle (either way) that peaks your interest?

I'm into this case because most of the evidence supports Zimmermans story and the entire prosecutions case is circumstantial. The case is not completely cut and dry but the facts show Zimmerman has defensive injuries and the bullet was shot in an upward angle clearly supporting Zimmermans versions over the circumstantial evidence of the prosecution. Even if some of Zimmermans accounts are off, he still was being beaten up and shot while Martin was on top, which proves self-defense to me. If somebody is on top of me, who I just called the police on, I fear death/bodily harm.

So it boils down to I like to argue with other people.

[Dragger]

Don't even, you're even worse than Farley. If I wanted to be a dick I'd post the rep comments I got when I, attempted, to educate you re: self-defense laws.

You literally didn't even know how to spell "self-defense" until a few pages back when I pointed it out to you.

[hooked4life]

Farley seems fairly factual, what has he made up about the case?

By the way - while you're talking about quoting people - you said a few pages back that I "openly admitted" to trolling. I'm still waiting for that quote, or your apology.

That's him trying to assert that I'm an "admitted troll" so he can discredit me. He refuses to back that claim up, or apologize for it. I'm been on him for PAGES about it. A few pages back he was involved in a total miss-statement of self-defense laws that he just moved past without any acknowledgment. There was another thread a few weeks ago where he went on for pages trying to claim that laws granting one person a monopoly on a certain kind of speech, "wasn't" a restriction on free speech. He did this because he cares more about "winning" for his argument than being right.

[DennisR1977]

Don't even, you're even worse than Farley. If I wanted to be a dick I'd post the rep comments I got when I, attempted, to educate you re: self-defense laws.

Lmao, you mean when I was right? You can use deadly force justifiably, without even EVER being touched, assuming your state has some sort of stand your ground/castle doctrine.

Reps from who? The other 2 liars in here, krane, jafo? Oh noes!!!!