OxyElite Protein (InnerCircle Email)

[TMac26]

Agreed, recently bought the EMChocolate since it used to be one of their "best" flavors.. turns out i've been spoiled and it was below average now lol

Thinking about it, i guess one of the reasons they don't come up with a decent blend or better tasting stuff so their sister company bsn gets that part of the market.

Shame really. Since Syntha 6's macro's are absolute crap. If they released an actual protein with syntha 6 flavoring, I might be interested.

[Geoforce]

Hope it tastes good, only negative is the fat burning protein type talk, but such is marketing. I don't suppose it's any different really than saying "muscle building" protein.

Protein market is getting crowded. Every company coming out with a new one and I have lots I already wanna try. Gotta admit the days of slugging down nasty protein are over. So much good tasting stuff on the market now.

[GetRippedInc]

So much irony in this thread... Lol

[ajerone]

I'm just excited that there is yet another chocolate and vanilla protein brought to an over saturated market

[EricTheRed]

I like how they are calling out other companies bullsh!t. Having worked at a cGMP contract blender i know about this first hand. This is why I would like dave to drop creatine/taurine from UP2.0.

On the other hand, I think USPlabs should have produced independent lab tests of there product to back up there claims.

[rmaini]

I like how they are calling out other companies bullsh!t. Having worked at a cGMP contract blender i know about this first hand. This is why I would like dave to drop creatine/taurine from UP2.0.

On the other hand, I think USPlabs should have produced independent lab tests of there product to back up there claims.

it's labeled separately from the protein amount. I don't see a problem with that.

[GetRippedInc]

I like how they are calling out other companies bullsh!t. Having worked at a cGMP contract blender i know about this first hand. This is why I would like dave to drop creatine/taurine from UP2.0.

On the other hand, I think USPlabs should have produced independent lab tests of there product to back up there claims.

Together they are 700mg and Dave said neither count towards the protein content

[EricTheRed]

Together they are 700mg and Dave said neither count towards the protein content

I dont know why he says that, Its not like when then pull the sample for testing the glycine/creatine is not in it. When I ran that testing we never separated that out as there is no way to when testing finished product. There is no magical math formula to do it. It doesn't take much to hit your numbers when testing for nitrogen content. Plus, if its that small amount why even have it?

[TMac26]

I dont know why he says that, Its not like when then pull the sample for testing the glycine/creatine is not in it. When I ran that testing we never separated that out as there is no way to when testing finished product. There is no magical math formula to do it. It doesn't take much to hit your numbers when testing for nitrogen content. Plus, if its that small amount why even have it?

The creatine amount is close the amount in a steak.


Its literally meant to be close to a MRP. Dave has posted about this multiple times before.

[GetRippedInc]

I dont know why he says that, Its not like when then pull the sample for testing the glycine/creatine is not in it. When I ran that testing we never separated that out as there is no way to when testing finished product. There is no magical math formula to do it. It doesn't take much to hit your numbers when testing for nitrogen content. Plus, if its that small amount why even have it?

The creatine is to mimic steak...
Didn't you answer your own concern??? It's that little so why are you worried about it anyway.
How would he not know? The batch calls for 18g plus the taurine and creatine. If the manufacturer followed what was asked it would be accurate.

[Mr.Cooper69]

I dont know why he says that, Its not like when then pull the sample for testing the glycine/creatine is not in it. When I ran that testing we never separated that out as there is no way to when testing finished product. There is no magical math formula to do it. It doesn't take much to hit your numbers when testing for nitrogen content. Plus, if its that small amount why even have it?

Why even care if it's such a small amount?

[PuZo]

I'm just excited that there is yet another chocolate and vanilla protein brought to an over saturated market

In before FishPro is Vanilla and Chocolate

[EricTheRed]

When i used to check batch records before blending we didn't need much glycine/taurine to cover up the use of 34% WPC when we should have been using WPC80%. That's why i bring it up. I'm a fan of Dave as I have talked to him before in the past but trust me because its separated out on the label doesn't mean its separated out during testing. QC testing helps determine and develop proper label claims but people can BS them.

[TMac26]

When i used to check batch records before blending we didn't need much glycine/taurine to cover up the use of 34% WPC when we should have been using WPC80%. That's why i bring it up. I'm a fan of Dave as I have talked to him before in the past but trust me because its separated out on the label doesn't mean its separated out during testing. QC testing helps determine and develop proper label claims.

I fail to see the point here.

Dave uses strictly Whey Isolate and Micelluar Casein in XF 2.0. And then the Taurine and Creatine are seperate. There is 18 grams of protein, then the other stuff gets added.


If you think Dave is "fooling" us by saying he separates its out on the label, but isn't, and its part of the "protein blend" and you are getting shorted 700 mg of protein. You have some serious ****ing issues.

[rhadam]

When i used to check batch records before blending we didn't need much glycine/taurine to cover up the use of 34% WPC when we should have been using WPC80%. That's why i bring it up. I'm a fan of Dave as I have talked to him before in the past but trust me because its separated out on the label doesn't mean its separated out during testing. QC testing helps determine and develop proper label claims but people can BS them.

Why are you still posting? It's there for a reason. So either buy it and drink it or shut up.

[EricTheRed]

I fail to see the point here.

Dave uses strictly Whey Isolate and Micelluar Casein in XF 2.0. And then the Taurine and Creatine are seperate. There is 18 grams of protein, then the other stuff gets added.


If you think Dave is "fooling" us by saying he separates its out on the label, and you are getting shorted 700 mg of protein. You have some serious ****ing issues.

They use the %nitrogen to calculate the % protein per serving so you can hit Spec that you put on your CoA. The amino products jack up that % to hit label claims. 1mg of amino does not equal to 1mg of protein so you are getting shorted more then 700mg. That's what I'm trying to say.

[EricTheRed]

Why are you still posting? It's there for a reason. So either buy it and drink it or shut up.

i'm trying to explain, that is all.

working for such a contract blender is an eye-opener.

[TMac26]

They use the %nitrogen to calculate the % protein per serving so you can hit Spec that you put on your CoA. The amino products jack up that % to hit label claims. 1mg of amino does not equal to 1mg of protein so you are getting shorted more then 700mg. That's what I'm trying to say.

For some reason I don't think Dave is giving us the shaft. There are "other" tests besides nitrogen tests to test protein, and i'm sure they've been done before on UP 2.0

They can always run a test to see how much Taurine and Creatine is in the batch or even the tub. With how popular XF is on this boards, I'm sure its been done before. And yet, nothings been posted. Cause I would be sure some companies would be ITCHING to post something damning like that.

[Mr.Cooper69]

i'm trying to explain, that is all.

working for such a contract blender is an eye-opener.

I actually appreciate the insight...can you reveal which company was having its protein manufactured there?

[PuZo]

I actually appreciate the insight...can you reveal which company was having its protein manufactured there?

I'm assuming they'd be smart enough to sign a non-disclosure.. but nevertheless, interested as well

[PuZo]

They use the %nitrogen to calculate the % protein per serving so you can hit Spec that you put on your CoA. The amino products jack up that % to hit label claims. 1mg of amino does not equal to 1mg of protein so you are getting shorted more then 700mg. That's what I'm trying to say.

So then it's the companies fault for asking for a nitrogen test rather than to find the amounts of all the individual amino acids?

[EricTheRed]

I actually appreciate the insight...can you reveal which company was having its protein manufactured there?

I'm assuming they'd be smart enough to sign a non-disclosure.. but nevertheless, interested as well

I'm not sure of the legal ramifications but even tho I've moved on to greener pastures I probably couldn't/shouldn't. I don't need to fall in the ranks with syntrax.

So then it's the companies fault for asking for a nitrogen test rather than to find the amounts of all the individual amino acids?

Not really as the industry standard for protein testing is Nitrogen content, the majority of the time from Kjeldhal which is seen as A'OK by the FDA and other auditing officals whether is a science foundation or customers. Its fast, cheap and easy to train people on (usually). There are other testing but its usually done by equipment that a contract blender would not have on site so it's much more expensive then doing it in house. I've ran NIR with a program that can calc fat/protein content and it never really fully matched up to the Kjeldhal results with products containing glycine and such. However, no auditing group sees it as a reliable tool for that as it can be unreliable for nutritionals.


Anyways, just trying to inform people but 99% of people have no idea how these things work in the industry. I will say that some companies really go the extra mile. But mostly the ones that make there own products and done contract them out.

[IlliniTrack800m]

Dymatize is up there with ON in terms of quality right???
I also heard Dymatize tastes amazinggggggggg!!!

[EricTheRed]

Dymatize is up there with ON in terms of quality right???
I also heard Dymatize tastes amazinggggggggg!!!

No they are not. There was a thread about it somewhere.

[shadar]

Dymatize is up there with ON in terms of quality right???
I also heard Dymatize tastes amazinggggggggg!!!

Both are on par for taste, and by par I mean they taste like the sand trap at the golf course you just shot for par at.

[BigGame]

So XF UP 2.0/Whey can be trusted... The rest of the protein out there is hit or miss as far as being legit?

[ISurfNudeBrah]

Both are on par for taste, and by par I mean they taste like the sand trap at the golf course you just shot for par at.

o lawd where u been brah

[Segansational]

Both are on par for taste, and by par I mean they taste like the sand trap at the golf course you just shot for par at.

Nice.

[SwolenONE]

I liked the email, it pointed out some less than ideal practices going on right now. And they address these problems by putting out a good quality formula. I look forward to trying it as long as the price is reasonable, but I didnt get in on the deal as it wasnt multiple jugs of protein.

[Broscientist88]

The label being used in the OP .. i have a tub sitting in my press.