our universe is a simulation

[jon1995]

Lets be civil here we do not need to bash each other we can be respectful. I do not intend to neg anyone for speaking their own mind as everyone has the right to their own opinion, I respect yours whether it be religious, atheist, etc. therefore you can respect mine. I just wanted to make this thread because this topic is really interesting and thought I would share this with my misc. brahs. If you do not agree so be it, lets have a respectful debate.


Is life a sophisticated computer simulation?

"Mathematics is reality"

Have you ever wondered why nature is so accurately described by mathematics? Why is the universe we live in so fine tuned, why are there physical constants and why is it if any of the fundamental constants were only slightly different, the Universe would unlikely be conducive to the establishment and development of matter, astronomical structures, elemental diversity, or life. It seems as if it were created like software.


An interview with Max Tegmark about parallell universes and maths relationship to nature - Awesome read
http://discovermagazine.com/2008/jul...h#.UZoyeKLviSo





Cliffs:
- Moore's law dictates computing power doubles every 2 years
- We will eventually be able to create an artificial reality that is identical to our own
- How do we know it hasn't already happened?
- Plato's allegory of the cave, limitation of peoples perception to make them believe in a reality that is really an illusion.
- Cosmic rays offer clue our universe could be a computer simulation - when cosmic rays fly through the universe the energy they loose is consistent with the kind of boundary that you'd find if there was an underlying lattice governing the limits of a simulator - suggests they are performing as they would if they were trapped inside a giant simulation
- Computer power present can only test this in a tiny scale - the results are far from conclusive but early indications suggest our entire universe could be nothing more than a computer simulation
- Physicist Silas Beane was asked "do we live in the one true reality or in one of many simulations?" His answer was "statistically speaking, is that we're more likely in a simulation.
- MIT technology review piece: The Measurement That Would Reveal The Universe As A Computer Simulation "So if our cosmos is merely a simulation there ought to be a cutoff in the spectrum of high energy particles" Well it turns of there is in fact there is such a cut-off in the energy of cosmic ray particles, a limit known as the Greisen-Zatespin-Kuzmin cut-off.
- They measured the effect on the cosmic rays which suggests they are trapped inside this computer simulation known as the universe.



Good read about our universe being a simulation -
http://www.naturalnews.com/038985_un...nt_design.html

Cosmic rays offer clue our universe could be a computer simulation -
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/...ter-simulation

The idea we live in a simulation isn't science fiction' -
http://www.newscientist.com/article/...e-fiction.html

The Measurement That Would Reveal The Universe As A Computer Simulation -
http://www.technologyreview.com/view...er-simulation/

Plato's Allegory of the Cave



Silas Beane interview
http://www.slate.com/articles/health...her_we_re.html

Justin Mullins: The idea that we live in a simulation is just science fiction, isn't it?
Silas Beane: There is a famous argument that we probably do live in a simulation. The idea is that in the future, humans will be able to simulate entire universes quite easily. And given the vastness of time ahead, the number of these simulations is likely to be huge. So if you ask the question: “Do we live in the one true reality or in one of the many simulations?” the answer, statistically speaking, is that we're more likely to be living in a simulation.

JM: How did you end up working on this issue?
SB: My day job is to do high-performance computing simulations of the forces of nature, particularly the strong nuclear force. My colleagues and I use a gridlike lattice to represent a small chunk of space and time. We put all the forces into that little cube and calculate what happens. In effect, we're simulating a very tiny corner of the universe.

JM: How accurate are your simulations?
SB: We're able to calculate some of the properties of real things like the simplest nuclei. But the process also generates artifacts that don't appear in the real world and that we have to remove. So we started to think about what sort of artifacts might appear if we lived in a simulation.

JM: What did you discover?
SB: In our universe, the laws of physics are the same in every direction. But in a grid, this changes since you no longer have a spacetime continuum, and the laws of physics would depend on direction. Simulators would be able to hide this effect but they wouldn't be able to get rid of it completely.

JM: How might we gather evidence that we're in a simulation?
SB: Using very high-energy particles. The highest-energy particles that we know of are cosmic rays, and there is a well-known natural cutoff in their energy at about 1020 electron volts. We calculated that if the simulators used a grid size of about 10-27 meters, then the cutoff energy would vary in different directions.

JM: Do cosmic rays vary in this way?
SB: We don't know. The highest-energy cosmic rays are very rare. A square kilometer on Earth is hit by one only about once per century so we're not going to be able map out their distribution any time soon. And even if we do, it'll be hard to show that this is conclusive proof that we're in a simulation.

JM: But can we improve our own simulations?
SB: The size of the universe we simulate is a box with sides 10-15 meters long. But we can use Moore's Law to imagine what we might be able to simulate in future. If the current trends in computing continue, we should be simulating a universe the size of a human within a century, and within five centuries, we could manage a box 1026 meters big. That's the size of the observable universe.

JM: How have people reacted to your work?
SB: I gave a lecture on this topic the other week and the turnout was amazing. Half of the people looked at me as if I was disturbed and the other half were very enthusiastic.

I have to go out now but I will answer this thread when I get home in a couple hours

[WnaLearnScience]

no its not

[macksimus]

no its not

stop crying and fist yourself you glitch

[Fist-Of-Freedom]

You are the universe brah - existence.

[WnaLearnScience]

stop crying and fist yourself you glitch

I am a virus, u mad?

[macksimus]

I am a virus, u mad?

this->currentEmotion = furious

[Ivan7x]

spyware checking in

[jon1995]

read links and watch movie before coming to a conclusion. Its just something to think about brahs, I do not have any beliefs on the origins of the universe

[Shortfuze]

Interesting concept. Nothing is impossible.

[Gxp23]

interesting read.

[hoober]

and where is the computer?

man
thats dumb


and no, there will never be a computer that has the power to simulate our universe
every quantum has to be simulaated, it has to be nearly as large as our universe i guess

[Tornach]

You pagan...

[Kazann]

in for later

[J1n]

There is no spoon

[Appono]

Very interesting stuff. In for later.

[ALLUCANEATRIBS]

if this is a computer, where do they keep the porn?

[Appono]

and where is the computer?

man
thats dumb


and no, there will never be a computer that has the power to simulate our universe
every quantum has to be simulaated, it has to be nearly as large as our universe i guess

Wow, you're so smart. You should give some of these scientist guys a lecture tbh.

[nhvider]

inb4 tinfoil hats

[jon1995]

and where is the computer?

man
thats dumb


and no, there will never be a computer that has the power to simulate our universe
every quantum has to be simulaated, it has to be nearly as large as our universe i guess

do you even read? We can make a very small scale universe simulation with our technology right now, computer technology doubles every 2 years. It is very possible (if man kind survives)that we could create a universe simulation in the future

[CapMo]

OP, I think you might find this interesting.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_principle

I was reading about it a few hours ago lol

[NamelessMuffin]

and where is the computer?

man
thats dumb


and no, there will never be a computer that has the power to simulate our universe
every quantum has to be simulaated, it has to be nearly as large as our universe i guess

Ah, you ran the numbers, did you?

Go home, guys. It's been disproven.

I'll call Hawking, he's gonna be pissed

[SwimToTheMoon]

7th crew... know these feels

[straightrippin3]

Feel like this thread would be a lot better with some of dat dere sticky icky

[Nosje]

I remember this article, very interesting post btw. reps

[nick911sc]

Adding this to your thread, OP

[Nosje]

if this is a computer, where do they keep the porn?

brothels.

[MiKey4]

Ah, you ran the numbers, did you?

Go home, guys. It's been disproven.

I'll call Hawking, he's gonna be pissed

You're 18 so I guess you don't know how difficult it is to solve the schrodinger equation for single atoms. Even a pretty basic molecule like water vapour has no analytic form, we only have approximations. So I'd love to know how someone has "simulated a mini universe".

[macksimus]

Feel like this thread would be a lot better with some of dat dere sticky icky

Agree, Mods please sticky this thread

[MrPappageorgio]

Someone should make a movie about how we're all really inside a computer program and we can bend and break the rules of reality. Maybe, the computer program is run by self-aware machines just to keep us busy while they harvest our electrical signals for energy or something. Might be cool...

[macksimus]

Someone should make a movie about how we're all really inside a computer program and we can bend and break the rules of reality. Maybe, the computer program is run by self-aware machines just to keep us busy while they harvest our electrical signals for energy or something. Might be cool...

Derrr, they already made this....

Dances with Wolves