Deadlift progression crawling...

[CheslinK]

My deadlift progression has been crawling forward and I'm currently on week 9 of Madcows. 155kg x 5 was a breeze, but the next week 157.5kg was much more difficult. I just finished 167.5kg today, but I'd say since 160kg I have not been able to do reset and go reps.

Since 160kg it's taking me a good 2-3 minutes and upwards of 5 minutes on rep 4 and 5 to finish. I try to get my 2nd rep as soon as possible after a reset, but the 3rd rep I'm gutted. Thus, my top set of 5 has been taking like 15-25 minutes and I am slowly needing more time between reps. Today took me 30 minutes. I had a 3 failed attempts in between some of these reps too.

Obviously I have not stalled if I can still move the weight, but are 5 reps spread out over 20 minutes just as beneficial to strength as 5 reps done in 5 minutes? I figure the volume is the same either way, but maybe there are CNS or endurance things going on that I'm not aware of.

Any insights on time between reps? Doesn't matter much? 5 singles over 30 minutes compared to 5 singles in 5 minutes or less.

Anyways, cheers for any help.

[scorpionsf]

a set of 5 should be done in less than a minute. maybe like 20-30 seconds

[tornmuscle123]

I agree with Scorpion.

[CheslinK]

a set of 5 should be done in less than a minute. maybe like 20-30 seconds

Ah, so should I reset as if I've stalled?

And to clarify... when people say reset between reps... I'm actually standing up and getting into form again rather than dropping down, pausing, and repping again. I'm assuming I'm wrong in doing this now right?

[scorpionsf]

Ah, so should I reset as if I've stalled?

And to clarify... when people say reset between reps... I'm actually standing up and getting into form again rather than dropping down, pausing, and repping again. I'm assuming I'm wrong in doing this now right?

reset typically means adjust hands, make en resure bar is even between your legs, and that your hips are in position as opposed to just dropping the weight and ripping it back up, often resulting in a bar that is off to the side and hips that are too high

[CheslinK]

reset typically means adjust hands, make en resure bar is even between your legs, and that your hips are in position as opposed to just dropping the weight and ripping it back up, often resulting in a bar that is off to the side and hips that are too high

I meant to phrase the first question like this: should I restart my deadlift progression if I am unable to do the prescribed 5 reps in under a minute?

[scorpionsf]

I meant to phrase the first question like this: should I restart my deadlift progression if I am unable to do the prescribed 5 reps in under a minute?

yes absolutely

[CheslinK]

yes absolutely

Alrighty, that's disheartening... thought I was making progress haha

Apparently I have completely stalled out on deadlift for the past 8 months. Madcows has failed me.

Thanks for the advice though!

[perfektion]

if your on week 9 on madcows, you surely made progress on your deadlift.

[scorpionsf]

Alrighty, that's disheartening... thought I was making progress haha

Apparently I have completely stalled out on deadlift for the past 8 months. Madcows has failed me.

Thanks for the advice though!

madcow didn't fail. you failed at following it and understanding it and how to deadlift properly. reset your numbers and continue to progress

[scorpionsf]

if your on week 9 on madcows, you surely made progress on your deadlift.

read the whole post. specifically the 5 rep set taking 30 minutes part

[TreFo]

-stick do doubles and triples for warming up
-how's ur squat and bench? they goin up?
-are u leaning back?



-where's ur sticking point?
-have u tried doing powercleans or dynamic deadlifts for speed?

[TreFo]

or fukk warming up properly all together; I know I'ma get a lot of criticism for this but

5 weeks ago I deadlifted 300 lbs. Today I deadlift 390 and am gonna get 405 this afternoon.

I don't do any proper warmups. Bam slap on 1 plate, hit a triple. Slap on 2 hit a double. Take a 5 min break, get psyched up, to a top set of 5.

No issues, no problems, no stalls, only success.

[MattIsBored]

^ this won't last long.

[cavemandiary]

I meant to phrase the first question like this: should I restart my deadlift progression if I am unable to do the prescribed 5 reps in under a minute?

There isn't really a clear-cut answer to that one, because there are many ways that can lead to a stronger lift.
It's a perfectly acceptable strategy to start out your cycle with low weights, no reset, low rest between sets, and as your approach your max, to do clusters of 15-20 seconds pause in between reps, and long rest between sets.

At some point, however, you will need to deload and start over.

[dtaps24]

Since 160kg it's taking me a good 2-3 minutes and upwards of 5 minutes on rep 4 and 5 to finish. I try to get my 2nd rep as soon as possible after a reset, but the 3rd rep I'm gutted. Thus, my top set of 5 has been taking like 15-25 minutes and I am slowly needing more time between reps. Today took me 30 minutes. I had a 3 failed attempts in between some of these reps too.

You realize that you are describing a 4 set deadlift workout right?

[CheslinK]

if your on week 9 on madcows, you surely made progress on your deadlift.

Well I'd hope I'd get a few lbs at least, this long ass resting between reps only started about 2 weeks ago.

Yeah, I do realize I'm basically doing 5 singles now and not a set, but since it's written as a set that's why I was wondering if it makes a difference or not. As I have gathered from what you guys said, it does.

Bench is finally moving up 115kg x 5. Had not done that before. Went fairly smoothly.

Squat I guess? I reset from a wide stance to ATG so I could make sure I was hitting depth, which I was not doing the past few years. I ended the first 5x5 with a 165kg x 5 wide stance squat. I'm finally catching up at 155kg high bar Oly squat. Initially 140-150kg was my 1RM for close stance, but it's still moving no issues.

Deadlift has always been my weakest link. I pull conventional. My grip is also not as strong as it used to be pulling this way - I was doing touch n go before. Think that must aid to grip more so.

[randomalias]

If I was you I would reset back a few weeks from your last successful 5 rep top set (real 5 rep set, not 10 minutes to do 5 reps). It sucks going back to a lighter weight but just remember that as long as you're eating you're not getting weaker.

Where do you miss your deadlifts? Floor? Lockout? Grip issues?

[CheslinK]

If I was you I would reset back a few weeks from your last successful 5 rep top set (real 5 rep set, not 10 minutes to do 5 reps). It sucks going back to a lighter weight but just remember that as long as you're eating you're not getting weaker.

Where do you miss your deadlifts? Floor? Lockout? Grip issues?

Yeah, that's what I'm gonna do. At least I can finish out my narrow squats and bench a bit higher than they started, and deads whatever. Lockout is never a problem if I can get it off the floor, floor is the issue. I tried sumo the first 4-5 weeks and was having this weird hip/glute pain so I went back to conventional.

[scorpionsf]

squat being higher than deadlift should be a huge indicator. either depth on squat or really bad deadlift form

[CheslinK]

squat being higher than deadlift should be a huge indicator. either depth on squat or really bad deadlift form

Probably a mixture of both however I've fixed my squat form and my ass is touching my shins, no way it's a depth issue these days. Deadlift ****ty form, probably.

I'll figure it out ;/

[scorpionsf]

Probably a mixture of both however I've fixed my squat form and my ass is touching my shins, no way it's a depth issue these days. Deadlift ****ty form, probably.

I'll figure it out ;/

post up a vid

[CheslinK]

reset typically means adjust hands, make en resure bar is even between your legs, and that your hips are in position as opposed to just dropping the weight and ripping it back up, often resulting in a bar that is off to the side and hips that are too high

Ah, I read thus again and just wanted to clarify I never drop the bar.

I had just been treating my top sets like 5 singles. Pull a rep, put it down, stand up and get into position again as if were my first pull, pull, put down, repeat.

I guess I should be repping them and staying in position after the descent for the next rep. It just seemed like I would get better practice at the first pull this way of treating as singles.

Will post vids tomorrow. Thanks for the help thus far everyone.

[TurtleApe]

This is easily one of the most retarded threads I have ever read on this forum.

30 Minutes for a set of 5? Are you ****ing dumb? That is called five singles.

Don't say "madcows" has failed me, any routine is going to fail someone who is so stupid that they would take 30 minutes to do a set of 5.

[Retardo-pex]

or fukk warming up properly all together; I know I'ma get a lot of criticism for this but

5 weeks ago I deadlifted 300 lbs. Today I deadlift 390 and am gonna get 405 this afternoon.

I don't do any proper warmups. Bam slap on 1 plate, hit a triple. Slap on 2 hit a double. Take a 5 min break, get psyched up, to a top set of 5.

No issues, no problems, no stalls, only success.

Warming up isn't to get heavier weights and PR's. Warming up is something anyone who enjoys lifting does in order to be able to continue lifting for life. If a warm up is really taking so much out of you that you feel you have to skip it to hit heavier weights you need to reevaluate the way you were warming up, not neglect it completely.

[TreFo]

squat being higher than deadlift should be a huge indicator. either depth on squat or really bad deadlift form

or u just don't deadlift

^was in that situation and I squat high; weak back of peace, but once I started doing em the weight flew up

[TreFo]

Warming up isn't to get heavier weights and PR's. Warming up is something anyone who enjoys lifting does in order to be able to continue lifting for life. If a warm up is really taking so much out of you that you feel you have to skip it to hit heavier weights you need to reevaluate the way you were warming up, not neglect it completely.

well aware of that but haven't noticed any problems yet, will readjust should problems develop

experience>science every time

[SumPersonGuy]

well aware of that but haven't noticed any problems yet, will readjust should problems develop

experience>science every time

While there is a time and place for choosing experience over science, this is not one of them. Warming up insufficiently is just stupid.

[RS6759]

or fukk warming up properly all together; I know I'ma get a lot of criticism for this but

5 weeks ago I deadlifted 300 lbs. Today I deadlift 390 and am gonna get 405 this afternoon.

I don't do any proper warmups. Bam slap on 1 plate, hit a triple. Slap on 2 hit a double. Take a 5 min break, get psyched up, to a top set of 5.

No issues, no problems, no stalls, only success.

Once you become injured and are deadlifting nothing. Come back to your comment above and laugh.

[RAGEDEMON87]

squat higher than deadlift

seems legit