Feds want to lower DUI standard.

[unemploymentlin]

Strong anarchist is strong

not an anarchist.just tired of watching freedom get crapped on and seeing bull**** excuses like sandy hook and children as the reason why

[nmballa]

tyranny is making taxes too high and taking away gun rights & free speech

this isn't tyranny, this is protecting pedestrians and motorists from drunk drivers...you don't have a right to drive drunk on a public road, driving on a public road is a privilege and people who abuse that privilege need to be punished so they stop making public roads dangerous for everyone who's being responsible...public roads are here to serve the public's transportation needs: nobody needs to drive drunk, everybody needs to be safe...if you want to drive drunk, do it on your own property

Thats it, privatise the road.

[SilverSpork]

There should be MUCH harsher penalties for drinking and driving. They need to change that, changing the legal limit won't do much. Government logic......not even once.

[ryan36_1]

not an anarchist.just tired of watching freedom get crapped on and seeing bull**** excuses like sandy hook and children as the reason why

Your heart is in the right place. I disagree with the majority of the proposed new gun laws too (really the only one that I didn't disagree with was background checks at gun shows for vendors that are moving large amounts of inventory).

But you can't disregard laws because there are criminals who won't follow them - that's every law ever.

[VancouverCanuck]

Isn't DUI only a misdemeanor in the U.S? Its a felony here in Canada, a.k.a good luck leading a normal life/job after getting one.

[Three6Mafia]

This is so retarded. People should be allowed to take a driving test and what limit they think they can pass a sobriety test and if they pass the driving test they should get a statement on the back of their license that says "good up to .15 bac"

Driving while texting is way worse than driving after having 5-6 beers. At least you are paranoid to pay attention to the road after a couple of beers.

Don't get me wrong, if you are so drunk to where you are driving reckless then you should have your license suspended and be thrown in jail.

But I would rather ride with my buddy Andrew after he has had 6 beers rather than my girlfriend or grandparents sober.

[Wetbreasts]

Anyone still want to claim there isn't a prison industrial complex? This is just a ploy to make more money, and it will work.

Taxes are coming for ALL OF YOUR ONLINE PURCHASES too. We have to pay for this insane spending one way or another. Your friends and your family are going to be locked up for a few Benjamens

[nmballa]

Some states already have it at .04. Little ridiculous IMO that is like 2 beers in an hour. Makes it so you can barely go out.

What states?

[nmballa]

Despite the lack of observable behavior, there is plenty of evidence that motor functions are impaired before you get to .08.

Yeah, this law wouldn't stop the dumbasses who will drive no matter what, but it would reduce the 'I'm ok, I just had a few' drivers, which is a risky bet and would increase safety.

Back to the drowsy driving, even if there was billions in lobbying on the issue, what can be done about it ? My point is that it is dangerous, but we don't have the means to enforce any law regarding it.

I don't think that we are on different sides of the issue, you are just a little more cynical than I am. (and trust me, I don't think that the government always has our best interest in mind - just that this issue would have safety benefit and is not just a move to increase revenues to the states)

Well if we are to drop to .05% then why not do like long haul truckers. Every licensed driver can carry a log of how long they have been driving. Don't have a log, go to jail. You know, to make the world a safer place and all[!]

[MillerDecaXC]

lol @ people thinking that the government is lowering the limit to save lives... This will save 0 lives, but it will put a TON more money in the pockets of the government...


Driving at 0.05 is prolly about the same as driving while you have a headache.

Im not advocating drunk driving, but to play devil's advocate... 30-40 years ago if you got stopped for drunk driving, the cop would follow you and make sure you got home okay... I bet 98% of accidents that happen while someone is around .08-.12 are just a coincidence and have nothing to do with the alcohol.

Again im not saying people should drive drunk but its overhyped as fuk and jimmies get way too rustled here on the misc. I never drive drunk, i bought a house within walking distance to 20+ bars just so i wouldnt have to worry about this, and i make friends sleep on my couch if I see them out and they drank too much, but just sayin...

[RainingBlood]

sounds like the police need more money.

[jro9999]

If you think this is a good idea aimed at saving lives and penalizing criminals you are dumb

[bchap05]

Texting drivers are proven much worse than drunk drivers. Yet 90% of people who are sheep and think the government does this to save lives probably text while driving. Idiots it's about money.

[ryan36_1]

lol @ people thinking that the government is lowering the limit to save lives... This will save 0 lives, but it will put a TON more money in the pockets of the government...


Driving at 0.05 is prolly about the same as driving while you have a headache.

Im not advocating drunk driving, but to play devil's advocate... 30-40 years ago if you got stopped for drunk driving, the cop would follow you and make sure you got home okay... I bet 98% of accidents that happen while someone is around .08-.12 are just a coincidence and have nothing to do with the alcohol.

Again im not saying people should drive drunk but its overhyped as fuk and jimmies get way too rustled here on the misc. I never drive drunk, i bought a house within walking distance to 20+ bars just so i wouldnt have to worry about this, and i make friends sleep on my couch if I see them out and they drank too much, but just sayin...

sounds like the police need more money.

If you think this is a good idea aimed at saving lives and penalizing criminals you are dumb

Texting drivers are proven much worse than drunk drivers. Yet 90% of people who are sheep and think the government does this to save lives probably text while driving. Idiots it's about money.

How much money do you guys think states stand to make if they decide to change their laws?

Hint: If you think it's enough to put any significant dent in in their operating budgets, you probably should refrain from calling anyone else an idiot.

[AcEXBOX]

Agree 100%

should make it 4th degree, 3rd dgree, 2nd degree, 1st degree

4th degree DUI: 0.02 or higher BAC, traffic violation, max penalty: $250 fine and a 3 points on the license

3rd degree DUI: 0.04 or higher BAC, misdemeanor, max sentence: $1000 fine, 90 days in county jail, 1 year restricted license(to and from work, school, 12 step meetings)

2nd degree DUI: 0.08 or higher BAC, misdemeanor, max sentence: $5000 fine, 1 year in county jail, 2 years suspended license(no driving)

1st degree DUI: 0.16 or higher BAC, felony, max sentence: $10,000 fine, 2 years in state prison, 5 years suspended license(no driving)

^^This isn't perfect, considering it was whipped up by a 22 year old, but you get the idea...law & punishment needs to be more dynamic and appropriate based on the EXTENT of the crime

I'm on recharge. Someone neg this fukking idiot. srs. And the punishment is different depending on the BAC. I got 30 days jail or community service for blowing a .19 and speeding. The lawyer couldn't get less community service days due to my BAC. Had it been higher then a .19 then I would have been doing a 9 month DUI program, luckily I only got 3 months. One guy that got 40 days for blowing a .36 and crashing into a pole had an 18 month DUI program because of the BAC.

Not to mention that there is also different penalties if you are a first, second, third offender. I think after the third DUI you lose your license for a few years, and have to do an 18 month program and rehab. Not sure what the fine is... again, this is in California. Might be different in other states.

Let me talk about the DUI program, waste of time and money. Do you learn anything? There is a few things I learned about how the body reacts to alcohol and what different parts of your brain are affected. But all the information you are fed is questionable at best. These people swore that Marijuana is highly addictive, and that it gives you cancer just like smoking.

During my Group classes all we talked about was about our day, sports, and the last 20 minutes of the 2 hour class we went over our work book.

I would say that the hardest part for me was the community service because that meant I worked for 5 days at my old job, and my 2 days off I was doing the community service for 8 hours. That meant walking the roads, clearing ditches during the rain season in the rain with rain gear, helping with the counties tree service, etc. We were beat at the end of the day. I had to do that from August until the end of November. brb no days off.

I think more community service, like 30 days like I did, would be better because people like their freedom and when you are just doing community service on your days off, you really begin to regret the crime. Most people that were in there for a DUI had to only do 3 days.

Even for street racing I had a steeper punishment. The reason I was told that the penalty for DUI is not as steep is because doctors, lawyers, CEO's, etc. get caught for it all the time, and they cannot be doing 30 or 40 day community service... lol, money talks obviously.

Giving a first offender DUI for blowing a .17 two years in jail is retarded. Not to mention a waste of Tax payer money. Like I wrote earlier, if we fix public transportation first, then DUI's would drop dramatically.

[AcEXBOX]

Texting drivers are proven much worse than drunk drivers. Yet 90% of people who are sheep and think the government does this to save lives probably text while driving. Idiots it's about money.

This. Texting has been proven to be worse than drunk driving. brb looking down at phone instead of the road. Not to mention that a lot of the statistical numbers are skewed. For example, let's say you are stopped at a red light and had three beers. A car comes from behind and hits you. The accident wasn't your fault... well it is now considered an alcohol related accident even if you are not over the limit, just because you had three beers, and someone else hit you from behind.

Fun fact: You can see better, at night, while intoxicated because your pupils are bigger.

[PervedOut]

these fckin stupid ideas they continue to concoct make me rage. so they are gonna lower a decimal a few more hundredths...but its dependent on metabolism/size/time etc.? pls fcking go. laws that have grey areas are stupid. telling people its "ok as long as you are below .05" is almost like a dare.

[AcEXBOX]

these fckin stupid ideas they continue to concoct make me rage. so they are gonna lower a decimal a few more hundredths...but its dependent on metabolism/size/time etc.? pls fcking go. laws that have grey areas are stupid. telling people its "ok as long as you are below .05" is almost like a dare.

You'd be surprised how broad the law really is. There was one guy in my DUI class that was drinking a beer, walked to his car, put the beer on the ground, opened his car to get something out of it. Cop rolls up, asks him if he was drinking and driving, he said no he was just getting something out of the car, cop walks up to the hood and feels it's still warm, claims guy is lying, gives him a DUI. lolwut?

If you smoke weed and haven't smoked in two weeks... let's say you are pulled over and find the drug on a test, automatic DUI. Even though you did not smoke for two weeks.

You can be sleeping in your car with the keys off the ignition, DUI.

A guy that got a .37 BAC saw the cop that arrested him and said hi to him.. cop was dumbfounded that he even remembered anything because the cop sent him to the hospital for alcohol poisoning. Even the cop told him "you have my respect, you can drink" lolwut? But you're right, everyone is different.