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    Question Is Arnold the GOAT ?

    Is Arnold what Bruce Lee is to martial arts or Bob Marley is to reggae music ? For regular people he is probbably the most recognizable name in bodybuilding, but is he really the best ever ?

    This might be a dumb question. but I really don't know if there is someone else who has been superior to him but without the movies and stuff.
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    Yes. Ask any random person on the street and they know who he is. They likely don't know Jay Cutler or Ronnie Coleman though. He's also the one that really popularized the sport, before him nobody cared.
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    Subjective question , for sure.

    Arnold brought more attention to bodybuilding than anyone ever
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    Originally Posted by pipios View Post
    Is Arnold what Bruce Lee is to martial arts or Bob Marley is to reggae music ? For regular people he is probbably the most recognizable name in bodybuilding, but is he really the best ever ?

    This might be a dumb question. but I really don't know if there is someone else who has been superior to him but without the movies and stuff.
    Arnold who?
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    GOAT imo. Had the build, confidence, and the mind games/psych outs. He beat a lot guys before even he got on stage.
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    There's everyone else, and there's Arnold.

    He's probably got more people into the gym and watching bodybuilding events than any other figure in the sport.

    I just watched "Pumping Iron" on YouTube again recently and in his prime Arnold really was larger than life.
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    Originally Posted by pipios View Post
    Is Arnold what Bruce Lee is to martial arts or Bob Marley is to reggae music ? For regular people he is probbably the most recognizable name in bodybuilding, but is he really the best ever ?

    This might be a dumb question. but I really don't know if there is someone else who has been superior to him but without the movies and stuff.
    Take away the "movies and stuff," and you still have a great bodybuilder (as opposed to a 'celebrity') with Arnold.


    But The G.O.A.T? I don't know about that. IMO, there were a few guys who never even won a single Mr. Olympia who could seriously be considered as being better than Arnold, physique-wise. Kevin Levrone and Flex Wheeler come to mind immediately here.



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    I think that he is. Even though his physique would not even be competitive in the amatuer ranks, it's still, I believe, the greatest of all time. It just looks right...and amazing, lol.
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    I'm positive the Roman Empire started falling because of its overuse of abbreviations. It took me five or six views of this thread to decode what GOAT was.

    I just saw another thread in another forum where a woman wrote she was recovering from ED. If I hadn't opened the thread, I'd never know she meant something other than Erectile Dysfunction.

    I despise abbreviations.
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    Originally Posted by Vytis View Post
    I think that he is. Even though his physique would not even be competitive in the amatuer ranks, it's still, I believe, the greatest of all time. It just looks right...and amazing, lol.
    Agreed. I don't like the look of most of the top guys today compared to Arnold. Just because they're bigger or whatever, doesn't mean better. Arnold's physique was more like a work of art than a science experiment.
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    Originally Posted by marius_ursus View Post
    i'm positive the roman empire started falling because of its overuse of abbreviations. It took me five or six views of this thread to decode what goat was.

    I just saw another thread in another forum where a woman wrote she was recovering from ed. If i hadn't opened the thread, i'd never know she meant something other than erectile dysfunction.

    I despise abbreviations.
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    Greatest of All Time and I am one that says yes to Arnold. If I had a 1/10th of his dedication, my waist would be 10" less and still the same strength level I'm at. He was 100% goal oriented and achieved all his goals. He was the best of his era and I think he would be the best now if he had the same "advantages" they have today. His drive would be matched only by probably Coleman. JMHO. TFW Marius can't figure out what tfw means
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    Originally Posted by Iceman1800 View Post
    Greatest of All Time and I am one that says yes to Arnold. If I had a 1/10th of his dedication, my waist would be 10" less and still the same strength level I'm at. He was 100% goal oriented and achieved all his goals. He was the best of his era and I think he would be the best now if he had the same "advantages" they have today. His drive would be matched only by probably Coleman. JMHO. TFW Marius can't figure out what tfw means
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    Arnold's contribution to bodybuilding was immense. He was the best of his era. Is he GOAT?
    IDK. We all have our opinions. If he isn't GOAT he is surely in a small group of finalists.
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    Damn straight Arnold is the GOAT of bodybuilding.
    Why?
    Charisma.

    Other Mr.O's may be better bodybuilders but none of them has nor will drawn so many to bodybuilding as Arnold.
    Imo, as Mr. Olympia part of that pay cheque is to represent bodybuilding and be its ambassador.
    No one did it like him.

    Ronnie Coleman, fantastic bodybuilder...way better than Arnold...and had some awesome catch phrases...but imo, this man barely speaks English.
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    Originally Posted by ArchAngel'73 View Post
    Damn straight Arnold is the GOAT of bodybuilding.
    Why?
    Charisma.

    Other Mr.O's may be better bodybuilders but none of them has nor will drawn so many to bodybuilding as Arnold.
    Imo, as Mr. Olympia part of that pay cheque is to represent bodybuilding and be its ambassador.
    No one did it like him.

    Ronnie Coleman, fantastic bodybuilder...way better than Arnold...and had some awesome catch phrases...but imo, this man barely speaks English.
    Yeaah budddy!

    Also, Arnold contributed a lot more than anyone else even after he retired from competitions to promoted the sport. Also, the Arnold Classic etc.
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    Originally Posted by Marius_Ursus View Post
    Who knew "arnold schwarzenneggar goat" would yield so many results on google?

    I think he's wispering to the goat, "you may be a goat but I am the GOAT".
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    Originally Posted by scullin View Post
    I think he's wispering to the goat, "you may be a goat but I am the GOAT".
    On spread!
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    too bad he lost it all. Robby is in astonishing shape compared. same for Stallone. you got to keep the diet and working out....
    much prefer the 70s physiques vs insuline-direct in muscles steroids freaks of today (with a few exceptions though)

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    Originally Posted by Vytis View Post
    Even though his physique would not even be competitive in the amatuer ranks, .
    steroids today are way more advanced than back then
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    Arnold would have never been "Arnold" without Joe Weider and Weider would not had been "Weider" without Arnold. The rest is history, as they say. I admire Arnold as a bodybuilder, although I don't think he deserved to win his last Mr. Olympia during his "comeback". I think the entire show was rigged and did more harm to the sport than good.

    From a purely physical point of view, I much prefer bodybuilding physiques of the 1970s/1980s as opposed to the growth hormone injected guys we see today with the stomachs. Although, I wouldn't say Arnold had the best body of all time.

    I think Frank Zane set the golden standard for bodybuilding...

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    Zane was amazing too
    and still is in great shape. no secret: keep training, keep good diet. and easier if you didn't overdue steroids.
    Arnold didn't (usually these guys did short cycles, and one or two drugs only) but he stopped training and dieting
    his heart surgery also has had an effect imho.
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    I second Frank Zane if we're going on aesthetics only.



    Originally Posted by Iceman1800 View Post
    Greatest of All Time and I am one that says yes to Arnold. If I had a 1/10th of his dedication, my waist would be 10" less and still the same strength level I'm at. He was 100% goal oriented and achieved all his goals. He was the best of his era and I think he would be the best now if he had the same "advantages" they have today. His drive would be matched only by probably Coleman. JMHO. TFW Marius can't figure out what tfw means
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    Zane's physique blew everyone away. And the guy destroyed everyone with a body less than 200lbs.


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    Originally Posted by ArchAngel'73 View Post
    Damn straight Arnold is the GOAT of bodybuilding.
    Why?
    Charisma.

    Other Mr.O's may be better bodybuilders but none of them has nor will drawn so many to bodybuilding as Arnold.
    Imo, as Mr. Olympia part of that pay cheque is to represent bodybuilding and be its ambassador.
    No one did it like him.

    Ronnie Coleman, fantastic bodybuilder...way better than Arnold...and had some awesome catch phrases...but imo, this man barely speaks English.
    This.
    "An infraction is better than an infarction."
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