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    Let's be real.. ADD is probably not real (SRS) (American Parenting of Peace)

    And if it is real, the numbers are completely overblown. Growing up in Lithuania, I did not know a single kid that had ADD. Hell, I didn't even know that ADD/ADHD existed until I came to the United States. Back in Europe, it's pretty much excepted that kids have a ton of energy.

    Let's be serious here.. parents are lazy and don't want to raise their kids so they put them on medicine that causes a whole bunch of problems later on in life.

    EDIT: Are you people seriously negging me for having an opinion? Oh lawdy..
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    Truth. I know of noone in Europe with ADD problems. It's just a silly excuse Americans use to get on that der prescription drugs.
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    I was told I have ADHD and put on ritalin.
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    its true

    most kids with "ADD" just have parents with short attention spans, not the other way around!
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    Originally Posted by OfficialArchite View Post
    I was told I have ADHD and put on ritalin.
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    you did have adhd if the ritalin did what it was ment to do
    my mate takes ritalin for recreation use it aparently like speed if you dont have adhd
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    I'm American, and I agree with it. It's another self-defeating mindset that everyone needs to get away from.
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    It comes with confidence loss, social awkwardness attained through massive computer consumption with no or very few movements involved and chitty foods.

    I think my "ADD" will change when I go more to the gym, do Vale Tudo/MMA/kickboxing/another full contact sport. Also I eat more vegetables now.

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    Originally Posted by ecko93 View Post
    you did have adhd if the ritalin did what it was ment to do
    my mate takes ritalin for recreation use it aparently like speed if you dont have adhd
    This. After I take my vyvanse I mellow out real hard.
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    They just call it something else in Europe, I'm sure.
    I've never finished a book. After reading one paragraph, I have no idea what I just read. I just taught myself to study and do schoolwork differently. My mom helped me with that, she isn't lazy. My brothers and sisters read a ton of books and so does my mom. I'm the only one who doesn't read in the family.
    So, it's real. Just overblown by doctors and the pharmacology society we live in.
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    IMO it's real but way overblown. Wouldn't shock me if only 10-15% of diagnosis are real.
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    Originally Posted by Ragana View Post
    And if it is real, the numbers are completely overblown. Growing up in Lithuania, I did not know a single kid that had ADD. Hell, I didn't even know that ADD/ADHD existed until I came to the United States. Back in Europe, it's pretty much excepted that kids have a ton of energy.

    Let's be serious here.. parents are lazy and don't want to raise their kids so they put them on medicine that causes a whole bunch of problems later on in life.
    Same deal in Poland OP, although I've had a kid with legit ADD in my middle school class. Everyone bullied him and he really seemed retarded, prolly aspergers too
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    I knew kids in high school that had it and you could tell who they were. Always looking around in class and unable to concentrate. They often were the kids getting bad grades and put in extra time working with teachers to help understand the material. They took longer on tests reading each question thoroughly and thinking hard on the hard.

    These are not stupid people or people that didn't have social skills or some kind of disability.

    I'd not a believer in OP's theory.
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    Originally Posted by E90335i View Post
    They just call it something else in Europe, I'm sure.
    I've never finished a book. After reading one paragraph, I have no idea what I just read. I just taught myself to study and do schoolwork differently. My mom helped me with that, she isn't lazy. My brothers and sisters read a ton of books and so does my mom. I'm the only one who doesn't read in the family.
    So, it's real. Just overblown by doctors and the pharmacology society we live in.
    As the world get's more and more westernized, I'm sure it's there now. When I was growing up, it was literally non-existent.
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    I'd say 5% of people actually have it who are on meds for it. Its an excuse for the lazy.
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    No one in Europe is even aware of ADD.

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    ADD is a real thing, it's been proven (by science). It's a neurobiological disorder affecting the production and release of dopamine and norepinepherine.

    That isn't to say it's not wildly over diagnosed by drug seekers and people with symptoms that resemble ADD, but are not.

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    IMO it's real but way overblown. Wouldn't shock me if only 10-15% of diagnosis are real.
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    I'm from Europe Germany. They call it here ADHS Aufmerksamkeitshyperaktivitätsstörung or the non hyperactive part ADS Aufmerksamkeitsstörung
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    In the uk its more like if your parents are deadbeats then more likely the kids are on adhd meds.

    Bad parenting creates naughty children. The parents dot take the blame and shift it to adhd. Been calling this bs out for years.
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    Originally Posted by treefiddybrah View Post
    ADD is a real thing, it's been proven (by science). It's a neurobiological disorder affecting the production and release of dopamine and norepinepherine.

    That isn't to say it's not wildly over diagnosed by drug seekers and people with symptoms that resemble ADD, but are not.

    Anyone with real ADD will tell you how prevalent of an issue it is in their everyday lives.
    ADHD is diagnosed by DSM criteria that define the disorder by symptoms alone. In clinical setting in which these diagnoses are made, usually with one 50-minute visit for diagnostic evaluation and subsequent medication checks in 15-30 minutes at 3 month intervals.

    It's basically up to the Physician's discretion if you have it or not.
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    agreed its just an excuse
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    OP, your opinion, which you are entitled to, is terribly misinformed bro. I believe that ADHD is hugely over-diagnosed in this country, but that is something far different than asserting it doesn't exist. Given my son's diagnosis, and the method of diagnosis, I believe you to be misinformed bro.
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    Given my son's diagnosis, and the method of diagnosis, I believe you to be misinformed bro.
    You brought your son to your family Physician or possibly a Psychiatrist and he used a DSM checklist to see if your son met the criteria. A history of of behavior and concerns was also given by you to the said Doctor to sway his decision.

    It's not exactly strict science where you can perform brain scans or blood tests to know anything for certain.
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    You're probably, right.

    In the cases where it is real, it probably has a non-pharmaceutical cure. I mean when you give a kid 100 grams of sugar for breakfast through cereal, OJ, and maybe a soda, it's no wonder that he is running all over the place and can't concentrate.

    To quote a doctor:
    We’ve decided as a society that it’s too expensive to modify the kid’s environment. So we have to modify the kid.
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    Originally Posted by Ragana View Post
    You brought your son to your family Physician or possibly a Psychiatrist and he used a DSM checklist to see if your son met the criteria. A history of of behavior and concerns was also given by you to the said Doctor to sway his decision.

    It's not exactly strict science where you can perform brain scans or blood tests to know anything for certain.
    False, psychiatrists and physicians have been using brain scans for a while now to diagnose ADHD. It isn't a common method because of the costs involved.
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    False, psychiatrists and physicians have been using brain scans for a while now to diagnose ADHD. It isn't a common method because of the costs involved.
    "Neuroimaging doesn't give you a diagnosis," says Dr. Amen. "It's one part of a full evaluation that you have to put in the context of what goes on in a patient's life." Low activity in the prefrontal cortex is typical of ADD, he says, but it can also occur with schizophrenia, dementia, and head injury. "You can't read these things blindly."

    You can basically get false tests if your child is stressed, angry, didn't get enough sleep, etc..
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    I'll give you my 6yo for the day. I fought the ADHD meds thing for as long as I could. He couldn't even go to school without nearly being sent home daily so I had very little choice in it. However, when he gets older I will take him off them.

    I was taking ritalin when I was little for a while. Stopped after a short time cause it was screwing with me big time.
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