What do you guys think of a 212lb Tall Division

[anonymous]

I was thinking, with the addition of Men's Physique they are trying to balance the sport between mass monsters that we like to see, and the male model that the public likes to see.

Think something like a 212 Tall would catch on, something like 5'10+, they have the 212 right now but Flex Lewis is what 5'4 at this weight hes the same level as Phil Heath at 5'10

I think the idea of a 212 tall, judging done the same a general bodybuilding like the open and 212 now (not Classic) would be an aesthetically pleasing look for the IFBB and offer a lot of marketable people to the bodybuilding industry.

212 contest these guys would still be 240lb in the off season so they would still be great athletes just might be avoiding the bellys and other side effects we see in pursuit of trying to get to 250-260 on stage

[AyyoItsMatt]

Thing is, with the more divisions, the more athletes, this also leads to less recognition. Let's say there was only one category, the overall winner would be "winning it all" but by adding more and more divisions/categories it's just making it "easier" for more people to be the winners.

[knot4reel91]

Thing is, with the more divisions, the more athletes, this also leads to less recognition. Let's say there was only one category, the overall winner would be "winning it all" but by adding more and more divisions/categories it's just making it "easier" for more people to be the winners.

Kind of agree. Bodybuilding may never be popular again with the general public. All adding more categories does is dilute the competition, IMO.

[Mohaaboy]

Agreed with above^ and also, a 212 tall class would almost look just like a mens physique class. You have to remember just how much body there is on a taller person so that 212lbs of mass would be very spread out.

[Larfleeze]

There are enough bloody pishy divisions for us to sit through before we see the men's open and 212 as it is

[JanesLastResort]

Thing is, with the more divisions, the more athletes, this also leads to less recognition. Let's say there was only one category, the overall winner would be "winning it all" but by adding more and more divisions/categories it's just making it "easier" for more people to be the winners.

Well put!

[littlearm]

Local contests are having trouble filling out the bodybuilding classes as it is, thanks to Physique. It's sad to see someone win a first place trophy because they are the only one in their class. The last thing we need is to have more divisions further splitting up the bodybuilders.

[Loctus]

The public actually does not want to see it. Proof for that is that it already exists and you don't have a clue about it since it's not popular on the same scale as the Olympia is. If it did gain a giant surge of popularity, they would add it to the O.

http://www.ifbb.com/page_report.php?id=110

[Anthony.b]

No thanks. Already have enough kids at 5 10 who think 200-210 lbs is big, the last thing we need is to give them a trophy.

[ndog]

no one cares

[anonymous]

The public actually does not want to see it. Proof for that is that it already exists and you don't have a clue about it since it's not popular on the same scale as the Olympia is. If it did gain a giant surge of popularity, they would add it to the O.

http://www.ifbb.com/page_report.php?id=110

I didn't see it on that page? Maybe I missed it?

[anonymous]

No thanks. Already have enough kids at 5 10 who think 200-210 lbs is big, the last thing we need is to give them a trophy.

5'10 212lb contest is big... That is a heavy weight in bodybuilding... notsureifsrs, were not talking about someone weighing 210 in the evening at 12% bodyfat...

[AyyoItsMatt]

I also understand what you mean, the fact is to be ifbb pro you need to be putting in serious money into the supps and the "lil extra". Some people may not be able to afford these or want to endanger their health. Maybe they should start hosting larger competitions so more people show up rather than town competitions...

[Loctus]

I didn't see it on that page? Maybe I missed it?

Huh? Aren't the tall classes in classic bodybuilding exactly what you are asking for? They have to be over a certain height and under a certain weight

[anonymous]

Huh? Aren't the tall classes in classic bodybuilding exactly what you are asking for? They have to be over a certain height and under a certain weight

No the judging in Classic is not the same standard as judging in bodybuilding, it would be like comparing physique to bodybuilding, thats why in the OP i said not classic

[Loctus]

No the judging in Classic is not the same standard as judging in bodybuilding, it would be like comparing physique to bodybuilding, thats why in the OP i said not classic

The judging in classic bodybuilding is pretty much the exact same as in general bodybuilding. or what discrepancy is there that you dislike?

If you want to see tall guys judged per "actual bodybuilding criteria" why not just... Go to a state level show? The tall guys there would fit the desired height+weight perfectly, and be judged under general bodybuilding criteria.

You're asking for things that no one would care to see (mediocre state level bodybuilders on a top level IFBB stage. lolwot), and when presented with a decent option (the top classic bb'ing guys), you dismiss it?

[Devils]

The divisions are bloated already. Now we have bigger and bigger guys winning mens physique, the standards are all over the place.

[Chocpie]

Inb4 $5 prize money for 1st place.

[tsiparlanaeht]

No, that's what mens physique is for.

[_The_1_]

No thanks. Already have enough kids at 5 10 who think 200-210 lbs is big, the last thing we need is to give them a trophy.

Phil Heath said with his own mouth he weighed 207lbs at 5'9" for the 2006 New York Pro, with the right genetics weight loses its effectiveness after a certain number and the game becomes more about proportion, symmetry, and conditioning.

[anonymous]

No, that's what mens physique is for.

itt someone who has never seen a mens physique competition or read the judging or rules...

[xStevenx]

I think it is fine how it is. Adding more will make shows that much longer, make things more confusing and as mentioned above, less recognition

If we had "Tall 212" then down the road would be Tall Mass Monsters and Short Mass monsters haha

[TTimmerman]

itt someone who has never seen a mens physique competition or read the judging or rules...

don't hate on someone in the IFBB PRO section for not liking the mens physique category... lol

[JanesLastResort]

itt someone who has never seen a mens physique competition or read the judging or rules...

All of these should be a given?

[Ikatsu]

All of these should be a given?

I'm satisfied not ruining my health and general well-being for the off chance I might make it to the pro ranks.

Would a 212 tall cater to people like myself? Most definitely. With this said they've already added mens physique and a 212 tall would just dilute the classes like people are saying so at least there is mens physique if you really feel the need to compete. They'd also need to add the shorter classes if they're putting in the tall class. In reality they should have just put a weight limit on tall and short instead of making the mens physique and it would have been much more balanced and probably would have garnered more interest. Then we remember they added the bikini class and all hope is lost.

[tumtum]

itt someone who has never seen a mens physique competition or read the judging or rules...

and that's the way we like it

[antrod3]

I think for bodybuilding if any division will be added it needs to be something like 213-235. Something in the middle between the 212's and the super heavy's. Guys like Mike Liberatore and Antionne V would be suited well for this class. That being said more weight classes just means more confusion on a sport that's dealing with plenty of confusion as it is regarding judging.

[Loctus]

I think for bodybuilding if any division will be added it needs to be something like 213-235. Something in the middle between the 212's and the super heavy's. Guys like Mike Liberatore and Antionne V would be suited well for this class. That being said more weight classes just means more confusion on a sport that's dealing with plenty of confusion as it is regarding judging.

You do realize that our current 2x Mr Olympia is about 235lbs on stage, right?

[antrod3]

You do realize that our current 2x Mr Olympia is about 235lbs on stage, right?

I didn't say they should my point was if a class would be added it needs to be something in the middle. Also I said adding classes to an already confusing enough sport probably isn't best.

[tsiparlanaeht]

You do realize that our current 2x Mr Olympia is about 235lbs on stage, right?

Wasn't he 245-248 last year?