If you're being seduced by UKIP, it's time to check yourself

[Trinidad1969]

I'd normally feel a wee bit of sympathy when the western working/middle classes vote against their own interest for reactionary right wing parties, but this isn't the 1920's, in 2013 there's no excuse to be scapegoating minorities when these kunts



with the help of these guys



Are robbing the country blind and laughing, literally, all the way to the bank, and you're pointing your finger at Ahmed who runs the cornershop...

Take a moment and consider why the country is going bust, it's no mystery:

The financial sector in this country, like the US and across Europe, has been gambling away for decades making themselves stupid rich and when the bubble bursts and their luck runs out, what does the house do.. Take their chips? No, it comes to us, the public, 100s of times less wealthy than they are, and takes all of our chips so they can hand them back to the financiers so they don't lose a penny. In fact almost all of these banks and holdings companies are now richer than they were before the recession.

Do you think that parts of government are privatised for our benefit? LOL, they're sold off at bargain basement prices to private businessmen, and the profit from the sale is being used to bail out the banks.

Do you think that the country is crowded because of immigration? LOL, even with the influx there has been in this country, there has been a chronic shortage of jobs and housing for DECADES dating back to the adopting of neo-liberal economics in this country; since our government-lackeys to the business sector decided to stop investing in growth and stop building new social housing.

What your seeing is a country where wealth has been deliberately taken from the public and handed to big business, and it's done this through privatisation, through the central bank and through lowering taxes and failing to spend the taxes they do take on anything that doesn't favour big business interests.

Instead you act like primitive chimps, pointing your finger at people who look different to you or speak a different language. You see a Pakistani shop on your road, you don't understand them and their culture so like a monkey who has seen another monkey with different coloured stripes you are happy to scapegoat them as responsible for all your problems.

Never mind the facts aye?



Nah facts aren't important, because let's face it, you're not bothered about jobs and housing and the collapse of our infrastructure and public services, you're looking for any excuse to scapegoat foreigners.

So good luck voting for a public schoolboy stock broker who wants to push us even further down that road of corporate misery, making his toff kunt friends loaded in the process.



While you jump up and down and pound your chest as immigrants are refused entry or deported, right wing policies would put even more public money in the hands of the business elite. So apparently you like having our country raped by big business but the Conservatives just aren't destroying Britain and selling it off quite as quickly as you'd like?

Cliffs: You're like cows voting Pro-Abertoire, well done, watch what happens.

[Weightaholic]

You have a problem, all that appears missing is a solution, because I don't see any other political parties behaving substantially differently on the matter you're so concerned about.

[Queequeg]

If all the parties are doing this then who should I vote for? Labour were actually one of the worst offenders. If they are all equally ****, then immergration might be the deciding factor of which turd to vote for.

[MartinRoberts]

So what you're saying is that UKIP's only policy is anti-Asian?

Please read their policy, you'll find that Ahmed hasn't once been at risk from their rise to power.

[TheJimmyRustler]

The UK is a pretty small place. The economy is tits up. NHS is struggling to support us all. That alone tells me that there's no reason we shouldn't tighten immigration.

[Spartan5364]

it's time to drastically reduce immigration in all western countries.
I don't live in the UK and I don't follow the politics over there but if that is one of their policies then that's a + in my book, can't speak about any other of their policies

[Streetbull]

it's time to drastically reduce immigration in all western countries.
I don't live in the UK and I don't follow the politics over there but if that is one of their policies then that's a + in my book, can't speak about any other of their policies

Same here. What's the gain of letting semi-literate savages into the country? They collect $100,000 in welfare, drive around in a Mercedes, then set off bombs at public events.

Let them stay in their shtholes. Maybe then they'll fix their own place up.

[surf junkie]

What does the OP have to do with the UKIP?

[Trinidad1969]

So what you're saying is that UKIP's only policy is anti-Asian?

Please read their policy, you'll find that Ahmed hasn't once been at risk from their rise to power.

It's more pro-business than anything else, it just uses xenophobia to shroud the fact that big business policies are responsible for the issue that the public are worried about eg. jobs and housing.

[egalitarian69]

cliffs: op is a radical left wing extremist trying to deflect from the real issues, blur the lines and muddy the waters.

[Pheint]

OP, please go. Farage is far from ideal but he's the best they've got. Besides, for real change to take place in Europe, the communist EU has to die first - that is his role to play.

[RingDips]

Nice false dichotomy, OP.

It is eminently possible to be critical of both mass immigration and the corrupt, financially malfeasant overclass.

I'm not sure why you seem to think it's an either-or situation.

[ZioBot]

opie describes the BNP with his Ahmed analogy. Seems confused.

BNP hates Ahmed and his corner shop because he brown and smells of curry.

UKIP likes Ahmed because he works and contributes.

This is probably not a confusion but a smear attempt, as the BNP poses no threat anymore.

[tsbalr120]

I love reading non US politics threads

[anonymous]

UKIP really isn't a very good party , but until the Tories actually do something about immigration they will continue to grow.

What I don't get about the business lobby in Europe is their pro unskilled immigration push, here in the us obviously the chamber of commerce wants to exploit illegal Mexicans but many who flock to the eu are not coming to work... Exploiting the poorer eu countries (Poland, turkey etc) workforce and sending the bill to the uk taxpayer, yeah I get that, but what does anyone gain from Romany and other assorted scum coming over to deal in child prostitutes and commit benefit fraud?

[NaufelonMisc]

- Britain joined EEC in 1973. Edward Heath made the European Economic Community sound like a trade deal, flinging the phrase "common market" everywhere.
- They tricked the british people in thinking this is sort of a trade deal, and in 1975 (referendum), there was mass unemployment and inflation at 24.7%. Thus the british thought it would help them as they were desperate.
-Edward Heath showed a "white paper" with the promise that " no essential sovereignty of Britain will be sacrificed". this was just a typically sneaky way of saying that any "non-essential" sovereignty can be sacrificed.

The EU has deep influence in Britain's:

- Industry
- Agriculture
- Home affairs and Justice
- Health and Safety
- Environment

Slowly we are losing more and more sovereignty.

oh and also we cannot even make our own trade deals as the EU is under the philosophy of a "single market", so we can't truly modify our economy in the most suitable manner.

EU interests will always triumphs Britain's interests when conflicting. Oh and also it looks highly likely that Germany is forming a 17 member caucus which will essentially allow them to plough any EU measures through even when Britain vetoes these measures.


Barroso is promising a 2014 EU act which will probably push towards reaching the goal of the treaty of rome (closer union of europe), infact he suggested creation a federal state of shared sovereignty to increase EU's influence on world stage.


I in no way am a UKIP supporter (I am a tory) but i believe that as we live in a democracy we should in fact have the opportunity to vote on such a huge factor of our lives. And this is why conservatives has hit it spot on, offering the British public a EU referendum in 2017 if they get re-elected.

[Tekkendo]

Vote UKIP in the European Parliamentary election.

Vote Tories in the UK Parliamentary election.


Or split your votes and say hello to PM Wallace...

[crowe15]

This is what economics has evolved into;with the help of central banking.

Tyranny of the minority.

Wealth transfer from the many to the few every recession. Whilest everyone else is left with scrapes (welfare).

[rcdudegermy10]

I love reading non US politics threads

this

I don't even...

[ZioBot]

I in no way am a UKIP supporter (I am a tory) but i believe that as we live in a democracy we should in fact have the opportunity to vote on such a huge factor of our lives. And this is why conservatives has hit it spot on, offering the British public a EU referendum in 2017 if they get re-elected.

Yeah why let the peasant scum vote for something today when you can bribe them with it in 3 years.

[NaufelonMisc]

Yeah why let the peasant scum vote for something today when you can bribe them with it in 3 years.

Not sure what you mean.

The reason why the Tories are not offering a referendum right now is because any wise person would like to see if they can better the deal for themselves in negotiations. Our greatest negotiation tool right now is the threat of leaving the EU. So we should wait and see if there is a possibility of gaining a better deal rather than just rushing out.

[hewhodar3s]

I'm voting UKIP, they are a good alternative if you don't like the EU and all the nonsense that comes with it. The EU are actually paying people to spout pro EU propaganda, with our tax money. http://www.w4mpjobs.org/JobDetails.aspx?jobid=45223 .

Not sure what you mean.

The reason why the Tories are not offering a referendum right now is because any wise person would like to see if they can better the deal for themselves in negotiations. Our greatest negotiation tool right now is the threat of leaving the EU. So we should wait and see if there is a possibility of gaining a better deal rather than just rushing out.

The Tories just want to try to reform the EU, they are as pro EU as Labour and the Lib Dems. If you're anti EU and you vote for the Tories, you're lacking in logical thought.

[TheodorHerzl]

Can't barrage the Farage!

[abcfighter90]

LOL UKIP is a bigot party

Labour is a communist party

Lib Dems...LOL no

George Galloway.....lol another commy


so that only leaves David Cameron and the Conservatives as the only legitimate party srs

[NaufelonMisc]

I'm voting UKIP, they are a good alternative if you don't like the EU and all the nonsense that comes with it. The EU are actually paying people to spout pro EU propaganda, with our tax money. http://www.w4mpjobs.org/JobDetails.aspx?jobid=45223 .



The Tories just want to try to reform the EU, they are as pro EU as Labour and the Lib Dems. If you're anti EU and you vote for the Tories, you're lacking in logical thought.

I want what is best for Britain, if the tories can renegotiate our position in the EU which will benefit Britain, then I am all for that. And renegotiations has worked in the past, Thatcher's rebate in 1985 has saved us �75Billion. If however Britain cannot get a better deal than current then I feel that Britain should look at alternative options.

Oh and Tories are not exactly "pro-EU", Cameron is facing a open rebellion from his backbenchers who believe disagree with the whole idea of the EU

[hewhodar3s]

I want what is best for Britain, if the tories can renegotiate our position in the EU which will benefit Britain, then I am all for that. And renegotiations has worked in the past, Thatcher's rebate in 1985 has saved us �75Billion. If however Britain cannot get a better deal than current then I feel that Britain should look at alternative options.

Oh and Tories are not exactly "pro-EU", Cameron is facing a open rebellion from his backbenchers who believe disagree with the whole idea of the EU

I don't want to be in the EU at all, the cost is too high. Please tell me why a trading bloc (which the EU apparently started as) needs an anthem, a flag, an army, a navy, tell me why the need to create our laws. This is not a trading block, this is preparation for a United states of Europe, which they have actually admitted.

[NaufelonMisc]

I don't want to be in the EU at all, the cost is too high. Please tell me why a trading bloc (which the EU apparently started as) needs an anthem, a flag, an army, a navy, tell me why the need to create our laws. This is not a trading block, this is preparation for a United states of Europe, which they have actually admitted.

I didn't say I was pro-EU lmao. I too am worried about the loss of national sovereignty to the EU, if you look up the thread you'll see my concerns about the EU. However leaving the EU is a big decision and one that we shouldn't take without thorough thinking of our next step.

[hewhodar3s]

I didn't say I was pro-EU lmao. I too am worried about the loss of national sovereignty to the EU, if you look up the thread you'll see my concerns about the EU. However leaving the EU is a big decision and one that we shouldn't take without thorough thinking of our next step.

You vote for a pro EU party. You keep going on about deals and reform, so we can stay in the EU. The difference in mindset between a UKIP and Tory voter is clear here, you want to stay in a reformed EU, UKIP voters want to get out, no questions asked.

[NaufelonMisc]

You vote for a pro EU party. You keep going on about deals and reform, so we can stay in the EU. The difference in mindset between a UKIP and Tory voter is clear here, you want to stay in a reformed EU, UKIP voters want to get out, no questions asked.

I vote for a party which keeps our options as a nation open and attempts to re-asses Britain's position in the EU or else leave the EU. UKIP are the party which just want to go ahead and leave without seeing potential options which in the long term may be better for Britain.

I assume you are voting UKIP on the 22nd?

What about for General elections, who do you vote for? (if you don't mind me asking )

[hewhodar3s]

I vote for a party which keeps our options as a nation open and attempts to re-asses Britain's position in the EU or else leave the EU. UKIP are the party which just want to go ahead and leave without seeing potential options which in the long term may be better for Britain.

I assume you are voting UKIP on the 22nd?

What about for General elections, who do you vote for? (if you don't mind me asking )

I vote for UKIP for everything. Reform (if it happens at all) won't touch the key issues people care about. We are dealing with a political group who has an unelected figure head, who just recently said that he will expand the EU even if the citizens don't want it.