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    swapping out deads and front squats

    Been doing regular deads and front squats for months now. Planning on switching them with one leg regular back squats and 1 leg dead lifts today for a new routine.

    I've practiced both before and can only get a small fraction of the weight that I get with both legs.

    Any opinions or tips?
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    I have a hard time imagining you could move enough weight to be beneficial. Especially if you've already been doing 2-leg and moving up in weight.
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    Originally Posted by matt1323 View Post
    Been doing regular deads and front squats for months now. Planning on switching them with one leg regular back squats and 1 leg dead lifts today for a new routine.

    I've practiced both before and can only get a small fraction of the weight that I get with both legs.

    Any opinions or tips?
    yes - don't do it.
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    Originally Posted by Retoaded View Post
    why
    Your suppose to switch routine up every now and then. I read an article that recommended single legged lifts. I can feel the burn doing them pretty well
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    Switching up every now and then is good, but you need to switch to an equivalent movement, not a worse one. For example, front squats and back squats are interchangeable, RDLs/sumo/conventional deads could be considered equivalent (though not identical in emphasis), etc.

    IME it's better to change up your rep ranges before your movements. If you switch up movements, i'd try switching up your secondary lifts, first. For example, if you do lunges after your other lifts, switch them out for reverse lunges before changing out your primary moves.
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    Why?

    Front squats and deadlifts are like the perfect combination
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    Originally Posted by Rasputin4 View Post
    Switching up every now and then is good, but you need to switch to an equivalent movement, not a worse one. For example, front squats and back squats are interchangeable, RDLs/sumo/conventional deads could be considered equivalent (though not identical in emphasis), etc.

    IME it's better to change up your rep ranges before your movements. If you switch up movements, i'd try switching up your secondary lifts, first. For example, if you do lunges after your other lifts, switch them out for reverse lunges before changing out your primary moves.
    Not to be a prick or sound stupid but how are they worse if your isolating one side at a time? Is it the weight factor?
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    Originally Posted by matt1323 View Post
    Your suppose to switch routine up every now and then. I read an article that recommended single legged lifts. I can feel the burn doing them pretty well
    If you are still making progress, no need to switch anything up.
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    Originally Posted by matt1323 View Post
    Your suppose to switch routine up every now and then. I read an article that recommended single legged lifts. I can feel the burn doing them pretty well
    how much progress have you made on deadlifts and front squats? have you stopped making progress? if so, for how long have you been stopped?
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    Originally Posted by matt1323 View Post
    Not to be a prick or sound stupid but how are they worse if your isolating one side at a time? Is it the weight factor?
    Yes. The weight factor is far higher in magnitude for legs than for upper body. For example, your deadlift and squat will be no where remotely near your bb numbers with db. Upper body movements the difference isn't so much and db can often help points of emphasis, like pecs for db bench. FOr lower body, db's have no clear advantage and I'd only recommend using db is you have no other alternative. Lunges, the weight difference won't be so huge between db and bb, nothing wrong with db lunges (plus it helps work your grip more) but with squats and deads, there really is nothing even close to the value of bb.

    Split squats are a akin to lunges and are good as a seconary move, I just wouldn't replace your primary moves with them. db deadlifts are honestly a waste of time, do some db leg curls or something if you want some secondary hamstring work.
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    Originally Posted by Retoaded View Post
    how much progress have you made on deadlifts and front squats? have you stopped making progress? if so, for how long have you been stopped?
    Front squats started at 135 only. Now I work my way up to 6 reps of 205. Deadlifts idk what max is but starting doing 3 sets of 10 at 225 was hard. Been up to 3 reps of 295 . Haven't seen much difference for about a month. Trying to gain size
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    Originally Posted by matt1323 View Post
    Trying to gain size
    Are you eating enough to gain weight?
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    Are you eating enough to gain weight?
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    Originally Posted by matt1323 View Post
    Been doing regular deads and front squats for months now. Planning on switching them with one leg regular back squats and 1 leg dead lifts today for a new routine.

    I've practiced both before and can only get a small fraction of the weight that I get with both legs.

    Any opinions or tips?
    Front squats are the best exercise you can do along with the deadlift and shoulder press.
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    Originally Posted by jreacher View Post
    Basically this.

    But, if you need a change-up for sanity or whatever, consider keeping the front squats and doing Romanian Deadlifts instead of the regular deads. You might have less fatigue and better recovery, and energy can be spent in other good muscle building activities.
    x2 Your gains are going to slow down, no way around that. Doesn't mean you need to change your routine every time. If you consistently keep plugging at it week to week, a year from now you'll notice a difference. You may get to the point where you can only add 5 lbs to the bar every 1-2 months. That's normal. Else, we'd all be lifting 5000 lbs and look like the Incredible Hulk. I'd make sure you're getting absolutely no results over a period of time before changing your programming. Even then, I'd definitely keep your primary lifts.
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