Spotting a fake natural bodybuilder

[NZninja101]

Hyaduck is just about as natural as the gear he's on. This video actually got me to start watching Jason's videos. I was always subscribed to him but I never gave his videos any attention. He actually has some of the most imformative videos out there. He has, to be fair, been stirring a fair bit of shit lately, with the indirect calling out of Hyaduck, the calling out of Layne Norton, his ongoing semi-beef with Ian McCarthy, his little thing with TheRage191 etc.

Not to offend Jason, but is there a reason why he doesn't look particularly good? Is he a powerlifter or something?

tbh I kinda agree with him on all of these little disputes except when he said that PHAT wasn't a very good program for naturals.

-He criticized the power training aspect for not being power oriented enough, but IMO for someone with physique goals, you don't *need* any more strength emphasis than PHAT
-He criticized that it was 5 days in the gym and thought 4 would be better. I don't really see why from a results standpoint
-He criticized the volume as being a little high, which I can understand a bit better

The funny thing is, there's a study (maybe more) that showed a group of non-lifting males on certain AAS gained more LBM than a group of natural lifting males in the same amount of time. So technically, you can just sit on your ass and gain muscle. I will try and look for the study if I can remember where it is.

If you end up not finding it, I can say that I have seen it a while ago posted by Ka0s and can vouch for this.

Ah okay, cheers for the clarification. I just wondered how the guy knew so much about nutrition, bodybuilding (and steroids since we're on the topic) at that age and looked... well... he doesn't exactly look like he lifts. Not that it means anything to me whether he's huge or not, just an observation.

Are there any pics of him when he had a better physique anywhere?

It's hard to tell because I've only seen him wearing a t shirt, whether he be lifting, or talking in his room. I'm pretty sure he looks fine except for his side delts, which are incredibly important in making someone look like they lift when their upper body is being filmed from front on and they're wearing a t shirt.

[LiftCore]

tbh I kinda agree with him on all of these little disputes except when he said that PHAT wasn't a very good program for naturals.

-He criticized the power training aspect for not being power oriented enough, but IMO for someone with physique goals, you don't *need* any more strength emphasis than PHAT
-He criticized that it was 5 days in the gym and thought 4 would be better. I don't really see why from a results standpoint
-He criticized the volume as being a little high, which I can understand a bit better

If you end up not finding it, I can say that I have seen it a while ago posted by Ka0s and can vouch for this.

It's hard to tell because I've only seen him wearing a t shirt, whether he be lifting, or talking in his room. I'm pretty sure he looks fine except for his side delts, which are incredibly important in making someone look like they lift when their upper body is being filmed from front on and they're wearing a t shirt.

Reading over my post now I feel like I gave mixed impressions towards Jason. Basically, I'm a fan of his now lol.
Just got onto R/C, will rep this tomorrow, cheers brah, good points were made. Plus you're a fellow NZ brah, so naturally, I would rep you anyway hehe.

[RugbyBro]

That's because everyone thinks gear is the "easy way out". They think you can just sit on ur ass and gain muscle. Lol it's funny how ignorant people who don't lift are towards bodybuilders. Tell any of your non-lifting friends that you drink protein and Creatine and they don't consider you "natural"

Majority of my friends lift to some extent. So why would they admit when asked you just proved what I was trying to say

[shznhrz]

does this mean rob riches is on gear? if he is, then i would sort of lose respect for him. i've always looked up to him as a natural bodybuilder.

[Nikitaaa]

does this mean rob riches is on gear? if he is, then i would sort of lose respect for him. i've always looked up to him as a natural bodybuilder.

IMHO, if they look to good to be natural, they 99.9% of the time aren't.

[DDon1996]

I love these threads. As if there is some "magic" trick to see if someone is on gear or not... l0l. Use some common sense and shut the hell up.

[LiftCore]

I love these threads. As if there is some "magic" trick to see if someone is on gear or not... l0l. Use some common sense and shut the hell up.

If you saw Zyzz and didn't know anything about him though, would you suspect he was on gear?

[Arcos27]

If you saw Zyzz and didn't know anything about him though, would you suspect he was on gear?

Why the hell wouldn't you?

>6'1
>220
and <10%

Natural as mah peanut butter brah

[DDon1996]

If you saw Zyzz and didn't know anything about him though, would you suspect he was on gear?

To be quite honest, I don't speculate random **** that doesn't matter about people that I don't know.

However- yes, most definitely.

[NZninja101]

Reading over my post now I feel like I gave mixed impressions towards Jason. Basically, I'm a fan of his now lol.
Just got onto R/C, will rep this tomorrow, cheers brah, good points were made. Plus you're a fellow NZ brah, so naturally, I would rep you anyway hehe.

does this mean rob riches is on gear? if he is, then i would sort of lose respect for him. i've always looked up to him as a natural bodybuilder.

He might be. He has to be lean year round as part of his job, so this factor would work against him being natty. But I'm not saying anything definitive.

[TheJediBrah]

he's saying most people own up to it. You can trust that when most people that say they're natty, most of the time they are. They may have great genetics, and if they dont they're just lying to themselves ha. The guys who juice normally have nothing to hide, because anybody who lifts knows it takes the same ammount of work to build the muscle, maybe even more so because they need to have everything perfect or they're wasting their money.

lmao

[OneMA2011]

He's saying most people own up to it. You can trust that when most people that say they're natty, most of the time they are. They may have great genetics, and if they dont they're just lying to themselves ha. The guys who juice normally have nothing to hide, because anybody who lifts knows it takes the same ammount of work to build the muscle, maybe even more so because they need to have everything perfect or they're wasting their money.

Are you joking? Bodybuilders are pathological liars by nature. 99% of people who use will never admit that chit to anyone EVER

The funny thing is, there's a study (maybe more) that showed a group of non-lifting males on certain AAS gained more LBM than a group of natural lifting males in the same amount of time. So technically, you can just sit on your ass and gain muscle. I will try and look for the study if I can remember where it is.

I'm not saying to go out and buy some gear and watch TV, and just to clarify I am in no way, shape or form against the honest and educated use of steroids.

That study was very flawed

[LiftCore]

Are you joking? Bodybuilders are pathological liars by nature. 99% of people who use will never admit that chit to anyone EVER


That study was very flawed

Hmmm I see. Frankly I didn't read over it too thoroughly. Was it flawed enough to render the findings significantly invalid though?

[Arcos27]

Are you joking? Bodybuilders are pathological liars by nature. 99% of people who use will never admit that chit to anyone EVER

In for study to support claim

[Hamzzza]

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Not to offend Jason, but is there a reason why he doesn't look particularly good? Is he a powerlifter or something?

he was tied to the bed for over a year due to an illness, was basically obese 18 months ago and in his earlier days he has torn his biceps so that's why it's never going to pop and look good, so the ''lemme give you a bicep shot first'' is more like a meme....apart from that he's a powerlifter now

he has been using stuff and selling it big time so it's not like it's all theory

[TheJediBrah]

Every study in this field is very flawed

[Hamzzza]

also here's the big boi misc thread on this http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=153493961
many ''naturals'' posted in here, many experienced juicers and even jason responded in it

Are you joking? Bodybuilders are pathological liars by nature. 99% of people who use will never admit that chit to anyone EVER

this


some people cover it up as if they had a dead body buried in their garden...i think mostly because it's kind of a social tabu and there's a lot of double standards around the topic




when i came to my gym, i thought most people were natural, of course there were these big people who must've juiced but the rest i thought was just ''hard work and dedication brah''

fast forward to now, 70% of guys who bench more than a plate are on the juice or have used it before(i mean they started being honest to me since i looklike i know stuff and lift heavy i suppose), im in the locker and 4-5 of them talk how many doses they buy at once(it's kind of legal here, you can get it in the pharmacy - i wont mention WHAT BECAUSE I DONT WANT TO GET BANNED, just you can get ''it'')


but stay natty brahs, we're all gonna make it

[Hamzzza]

what i want to say is, think about it, you can either:
a) have 0,0001% genetics, work not only hard but also smart(a rarity among lifters these days) years upon years, have perfect diet(i dont mean ''eating clean'', i mean being 100% able t ocustomize macros to your own needs and for your best success and all the little things that come with this), not get seriously injured in the process, not get annoyed by 16 year olds who dont know **** surpassing you since they are ON

b) juice

[Jordan336]

The funny thing is, there's a study (maybe more) that showed a group of non-lifting males on certain AAS gained more LBM than a group of natural lifting males in the same amount of time. So technically, you can just sit on your ass and gain muscle. I will try and look for the study if I can remember where it is.

I'm not saying to go out and buy some gear and watch TV, and just to clarify I am in no way, shape or form against the honest and educated use of steroids.



Ah okay, cheers for the clarification. I just wondered how the guy knew so much about nutrition, bodybuilding (and steroids since we're on the topic) at that age and looked... well... he doesn't exactly look like he lifts. Not that it means anything to me whether he's huge or not, just an observation.

Are there any pics of him when he had a better physique anywhere?

the study you are on about is pretty bad seen as though they only measured lbm and most steroids make you retain a fair a bit water from what i've heard

[Arcos27]

what i want to say is, think about it, you can either:
a) have 0,0001% genetics, work not only hard but also smart(a rarity among lifters these days) years upon years, have perfect diet(i dont mean ''eating clean'', i mean being 100% able t ocustomize macros to your own needs and for your best success and all the little things that come with this), not get seriously injured in the process, not get annoyed by 16 year olds who dont know **** surpassing you since they are ON

b) juice

Just go with (a.) kids.

Fuk everyone else, lift your weight.

[Jordan336]

not this again lol.

I know 2 guys who have absolutely insane arms, absolutely insane shoulders and chest. Extremely big, extremely big

These guys don't even lift weights, all they do is party every weekend. LMFAO.

These guys are natural, because i know them, the only thing they do is drink

Now if guys have good genetics, and look good with absolutely 0 training, what do u think is going to happen when guys that do have good genetics, get top level training, top level nutirition, top level everything.

I mean combine that with great genetics, Then yes, anything is possible.

They say there natural, there natural. Thats what i think. Do not care if they are or not to be honest. All i know is i myself am 100 percent natty for life.

i know a guy like that too. jason took that into consideration like he said in the video

[Jordan336]

Are there any pics of him when he had a better physique anywhere?

here's one

[Huskarl]

does this mean rob riches is on gear? if he is, then i would sort of lose respect for him. i've always looked up to him as a natural bodybuilder.

Why would he? He is small as ****

[Jordan336]

Why would he? He is small as ****

i wouldn't say he is small, lol

[musclehead09]

Any bber who gets publicity won't.

Jay Cutler did it in an interview. Dorian Yates does it but idk if he did back when he was Mr. O

[musclehead09]

not this again lol.

I know 2 guys who have absolutely insane arms, absolutely insane shoulders and chest. Extremely big, extremely big

These guys don't even lift weights, all they do is party every weekend. LMFAO.

These guys are natural, because i know them, the only thing they do is drink

Now if guys have good genetics, and look good with absolutely 0 training, what do u think is going to happen when guys that do have good genetics, get top level training, top level nutirition, top level everything.

I mean combine that with great genetics, Then yes, anything is possible.

They say there natural, there natural. Thats what i think. Do not care if they are or not to be honest. All i know is i myself am 100 percent natty for life.

I agree. My best friend never trained with weights before, all he did was bike several miles daily and played basketball. He had 26 inch quads and 17 inch calves in 11th grade. That size is something people who lift look forward to getting. It took Layne Norton years to achieve those numbers.

My friend also squatted 405 to parallel his first time ever touching a weight. I can only imagine WTF he could do if he got on a proper bodybuilding program. He's also 208 lbs at 8% bodyfat now after doing a navy seal training program preparing for boot camp. Mans an animal.

[Jordan336]

I agree. My best friend never trained with weights before, all he did was bike several miles daily and played basketball. He had 26 inch quads and 17 inch calves in 11th grade. That size is something people who lift look forward to getting. It took Layne Norton years to achieve those numbers.

My friend also squatted 405 to parallel his first time ever touching a weight. I can only imagine WTF he could do if he got on a proper bodybuilding program. He's also 208 lbs at 8% bodyfat now after doing a navy seal training program preparing for boot camp. Mans an animal.

pics of said friend with 26 inch quads and 17inch arms?

[statejay]

first off who cares......and second if he is alledegy using those substances and not getting caught that's his business.....because that will be on him when gets banned from the division

[musclehead09]

pics of said friend with 26 inch quads and 17inch arms?

17 inch calves 15.5 inch arms. Will post a link to his ******** pics

[RugbyBro]

Jay Cutler did it in an interview. Dorian Yates does it but idk if he did back when he was Mr. O

Link it.