18 year old male, need critique please.

**Fenix12** · 08-03-2003, 12:36 AM

Hey all, a little background, I have been training for a year and a half. I am 18 years old and I'd just like an honest critique, I wanna start taking bodybuilding more seriously so I would really appreciate any advice people could give on how to improve my physique. Thanks in advance.

P.S My posing is terrible

Stats

Height - 6 feet
Weight - 205

Chest - 47 flexed
Arms - 17.5 flexed
Waist - 31. 5
Thighs - 25.5
Calves - 16

Side Chest

**Fenix12** · 08-03-2003, 12:37 AM

Traps they look really uneven for some reason

**Fenix12** · 08-03-2003, 12:38 AM

Useless shot.

**Fenix12** · 08-03-2003, 12:41 AM

Better side chest I think

**Fenix12** · 08-03-2003, 12:42 AM

Relaxed Back

**Carcharodon** · 08-03-2003, 12:42 AM

Originally posted by Fenix12
Traps they look really uneven for some reason

Shot one looks really killer. Traps are looking uneven because of the camera angle.

The relaxed is difficult because it is dark, but the lines are there and your shoulders make a nice V. You look much more muscular, relative to the relaxed than it appears you really are, especially in the back shot which quite wide. A different, non-reclining, better lit relaxed shot might be better.

Doing well.

**Fenix12** · 08-03-2003, 12:44 AM

Rear Lat

**Fenix12** · 08-03-2003, 12:45 AM

Actual Traps sorry

**Carcharodon** · 08-03-2003, 12:50 AM

the trap looks smaller...but it could be your flex.

You've got lats and biceps, that's for sure. Anymore on the way?

(I keep putting lat instead of trap, thus some extra edits.)

**Fenix12** · 08-03-2003, 12:50 AM

My pathetic attempt at a back double bicep

my arms look retarded in this one it wasnt very good

**Fenix12** · 08-03-2003, 12:53 AM

better trap pic

but it seems I actually have a pretty noticeable trap size difference, hmmm?

**Carcharodon** · 08-03-2003, 12:54 AM

Arms looking far from...uh, we really should avoid that word these days. They're massive with very nice peak.

The region looks gr8, ripped and actually that trap looks bigger from the back.

**Fenix12** · 08-03-2003, 12:57 AM

Thanks, bro, do you have any reccomendations for bringing up my lagging parts? Plus I dont have any leg pics because I am italian and I am obscenely hairy and posting pics of them wouldnt do much good. I have naturally thick thigs though, although my calves definetly need work, advice for gaining calf mass would be greatly appreciated.

**Fenix12** · 08-03-2003, 01:07 AM

I agree with the relaxed pic not looking very muscular but isn't that the point of it? To show how someone looks in an every day scenario?? Maybe I am totally off on that point I dont really know.

**Carcharodon** · 08-03-2003, 01:17 AM

You're Italian? Me too. Great genes.

As for the legs, when people want to remove hair, especially thick, resistant, etc., I say wax at a professional salon. It lasts for ages and is probably cheaper than the razors, bumps pimples, time wasted etc.

As for calves, there are so many schools of thought, i think there are sections here and others aside from me who can offer you that. It looks like you need upper and outer for pecs especially for more roundness and mass, but they are good. Here is a pic of your traps front and back compared. I think your posing may be the issue as you will see the rear L side trap looks bigger than the front. On the front, it looks like you are bringing your L shoulder forward (camera R) to draw down the trap as you will see by the lines I drew. There is a break on the L shoulder pec tie in, but more raised on the R. Right means right from the point of view of your eyes, meaning your right hand, etc., not our view.

**Carcharodon** · 08-03-2003, 01:23 AM

Originally posted by Fenix12
I agree with the relaxed pic not looking very muscular but isn't that the point of it? To show how someone looks in an every day scenario?? Maybe I am totally off on that point I dont really know.

That image is so murky and reclining back would tend to appear more flattened but...it's a good question. I'm not certain. A standing relaxed with no flex would be better of course but it looks like you are working with a web cam so it may not be easy to do.

**Fenix12** · 08-03-2003, 01:26 AM

Your probably right about my traps because when I look in the mirror they seem fairly even. I definetly agree that my chest needs more mass, I recently changed up my chest routine because it was lagging, hopefully this new style will really add mass to my chest. My priorities are chest mass and calf size for this year. Thanks for the critique man and we italians do rule

**Wanker527** · 08-03-2003, 03:13 PM

focus on your upper chest especially. your arms and delts look fantastic. your stats are incredible for someone who is just now "taking bodybuilding more seriously" after only 1.5 yrs training. wow.

**KarateChris** · 08-03-2003, 03:24 PM

Amazing job. Your arms are friggin huge for only 1.5 years of training. What were they when you started? Btw, I'm also Italian... and my legs are also quite hairy hehe

**robertthoburn** · 08-03-2003, 04:22 PM

Whatever you're doing right now seems to be working. That's some pretty good muscle development for 1.5 years of training.

I get the feeling you'd respond exceptionally well to my "ROB" approach to training for muscle growth:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...eferrerid=19763

But again, whatever you'd been doing seems to be working. That doesn't mean you couldn't grow even faster.

Respectfully,
Rob

Rob Thoburn

Author of the "No Mistakes" Nutritional Guide

Creator of the "ROB" approach to training for muscle growth, and the "GLUCOSE ECONOMY"/"UNIFIED THEORY OF DIETING" concepts.

Science writer for PLANET MUSCLE

Articles available online at: www.1_fast_400_.com and www.wannbebig.com

Also, see posts at www.avantlabs.com

**Fenix12** · 08-03-2003, 10:28 PM

Yah, I am 18 and I was pathetically skinny when I started weightlifting, like 135 and 12 inch arms or so I would wager.

**Mc_Garnicle** · 08-04-2003, 05:13 AM

you went from 12 inch arms and weighing at 135 to 205 and 17.5 inch guns in 1.5 years ?

Correct me if i read wrong !

Other then that you are looking great ! Nice guns and delts especially

**Striation** · 08-04-2003, 05:44 AM

You must have either the best training plan in the world or the best genetics in the world to gain 70lbs. in 1.5 years.

**Abdominator** · 08-04-2003, 06:03 AM

Originally posted by Fenix12
Yah, I am 18 and I was pathetically skinny when I started weightlifting, like 135 and 12 inch arms or so I would wager.

Hey! That's how much I weighed at 18! Awesome! Hmmm... however it took me almost 20 years to get to the weight I am now, but hey... each of us has gifts.

Your musculature is developing well. From your stats it doesn't sound like you have any significantly lagging bodyparts. Your calf and upper arm measurements are both very close, which is good. And your chest to waist differential shows that you have a great v-taper (a difference of 10" or more is good, 14" or more is fantastic).

To take bodybuilding more seriously there are 3 things that you have to be almost fanatical about:

1. Consistent and intense exercise (to stimulate muscle growth)

2. Good nutrition frequently throughout the day (to provide your body with the material to repair and grow)

3. Sufficient rest between workouts of the same muscle groups, and 6-8 hours of uninterrupted sleep each night (to allow the muscles time to grow).

Leave out any of those 3 and your gains will be impaired. But if you focus on each of them like "a pitbull", you'll progress so far beyond where you thought you could, it'll make your head spin.

Here's a picture of me when I was 16 (and around 120 lbs).:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...&postid=238257

And here are two pictures of me now (at 35.9 years old and 180 lbs).:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=1705863

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=1705819

Hard work does pay off. So keep at it! And don't slack when you get to your mid-20s. A lot of guys stop training when they get married and have kids. I guarantee you that if you keep training and make it a part of your daily routine, you'll keep the body you have well into your 40s and beyond.

- Skip

**pumped818** · 08-04-2003, 12:27 PM

Your early progress is awesome. Stick with what you're doing. At 18 you're already huge. By the time you reach 20, for sure you can be massively huge. It's great to see someone with an awesome potential developing it. Best of luck with your training dude.

**Fenix12** · 08-04-2003, 01:21 PM

I don't see why my gains are all that hard to beleive, I have seen many people gain tons of weight when going through puberty without and benefit of weightlifting period.

I can scan pictures of me from when I Was 16 today if it's really that important.

**ultramuscle22** · 08-04-2003, 01:29 PM

you look great.

**Deadlift50** · 08-04-2003, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by Fenix12
I don't see why my gains are all that hard to beleive, I have seen many people gain tons of weight when going through puberty without and benefit of weightlifting period.

I can scan pictures of me from when I Was 16 today if it's really that important.

It isn't necessary Fenix12. Some of these clowns have never been in a real hardcore gym and don't know what serious lifters like you are capable of at an early age.

It's their problem, not yours. Just keep posting your pics as you have. Unfortunately, there is no known cure for stupidity.

Deadlift50

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18 year old male, need critique please.

awesome..

looks smaller...??

retarded? Not!

italian is great..

good question..

You're 18?

It isn't necessary Fenix12

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