Why is Lyle McDonald So Angry?

[aaron2686]

I've only heard about how Lyle McDonald seems to randomly pop up on forums and berate people. Today, I saw this thread on ******** (linked below) where Lyle came in and started talking **** about a supplement sold by some people mentioned in the OP. If all he did was talk about the supplement, I wouldn't care, but he was immediately hostile. Why? Is there some history that I'm missing?

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[necon76]

Sometimes it's warranted. That product is definitely nothing special, & the other guy was a smartass first.

[Azrairc]

because he dedicates his life to that **** and people are arguing with him about bcca's and other dumb shyt on a daily basis

not srs didn't read.. but I'm guessing something similar happened

[wazzubob]

Mr. McDonald is the Socrates of modern nutrition, and must be delt with accordingly.

[Mr.Cooper69]

He's actually quite right, there are no acute benefits of using that supplement outside of dirt-cheap tyrosine + caffeine.

[peanut-butter]

Lyle is honestly the best comedian out of all my FB friends.

[DatMurse]

Lyle is honestly the best comedian out of all my FB friends.

holy **** lol.

funny as ****

[DatMurse]

im going to friend request him. He is trolling these people with facts and studies.

Its the ultimate troll.
His knowledge is too powerful for the average person/nutrition salesman to handle

[Lvisaa2]

im going to friend request him. He is trolling these people with facts and studies.

Its the ultimate troll.
His knowledge is too powerful for the average person/nutrition salesman to handle

You can troll someone with knowledge without being a complete dickhole about it.

[desslok]

I think intermittently fasting makes some/most people cranky.

[LiftCore]

I don't know if he is genuinely angry, if he is trolling or he has some sort of problem, but it's exactly what this industry needs, at most times.

[SuffolkPunch]

I think intermittently fasting makes some/most people cranky.

Lyle doesn't IF does he? Maybe he has caught Berkhanitis - stopped posting anything useful to spend more time being angry.

[snorkelman]

I am not sure what was going on there, but if Lyle wasn't trolling, he may have had a history with those guys that we don't know about. I am not so sure what the big deal is, the dosing isn't pixidusting. Creatine was dosed at a solid 5 grams per serving, caffeine at 200mg, both of those are completely fine. Lyle's biggest issue is the BA dosed at 3.2. Big deal. Simple enough to add a second dose later on if you think that is underdosed for the day. Besides, dosing any higher would almost certainly result in paraesthesia (tingling)

As for his gripe with being able to buy the bulk ingredients much cheaper, well, no kidding, that is true for practically all supplements.

[RubenOlivares]

You can troll someone with knowledge without being a complete dickhole about it.

It would seem that Lyle is incapable or un-willing to do so.

His work is great, but he's clearly a f*cking douche.

[ven33]

Narcissism.

[miacanesfan25]

He doesn't even seem as angry as usual. He makes a strong argument especially when saying certain ingredients in a pre workout are only used as "hot button" to make it sell. Lettuce beef cereal, the novice user doesn't know any better and when they see creatine or beta on the label, they're much more likely to buy it than something with a bunch of ingredients they've never heard of.

[lee__d]

You can troll someone with knowledge without being a complete dickhole about it.

That would be some shtty trolling

[necon76]

Narcissism.

Hmm.

[FenderElectrics]

I am not sure what was going on there, but if Lyle wasn't trolling, he may have had a history with those guys that we don't know about. I am not so sure what the big deal is, the dosing isn't pixidusting. Creatine was dosed at a solid 5 grams per serving, caffeine at 200mg, both of those are completely fine. Lyle's biggest issue is the BA dosed at 3.2. Big deal. Simple enough to add a second dose later on if you think that is underdosed for the day. Besides, dosing any higher would almost certainly result in paraesthesia (tingling)

As for his gripe with being able to buy the bulk ingredients much cheaper, well, no kidding, that is true for practically all supplements.

I think his main issue is they added in creatine and BA because they are "hot supplements" right now and basically while they have benefits in general there is no need to have them in a preworkout as they do nothing for workout performance.

Like someone said above he could handle things without being a total dick but his point was still pretty solid overall IMO

[JeepCreeper]

It would seem that Lyle is incapable or un-willing to do so.

His work is great, but he's clearly a f*cking douche.

He's really only a f*cking douche with people spreading lies, especially with nutritional products and training knowledge. Yes, he is abrasive, but thats his charm.

[ssg10587]

He's really only a f*cking douche with people spreading lies, especially with nutritional products and training knowledge. Yes, he is abrasive, but thats his charm.

Pretty much this + he has been in the business a long time...This has just worsened his anger towards all the marketing crap out there along with the sensationalist claims.

I am a huge fan of his books as they provide great indepth analysis based on actual evidence...I just sure as hell wouldn't want to talk to him about it

[germaine07]

You can troll someone with knowledge without being a complete dickhole about it.

This.

Every time Lyle behaves like this, in a pathetic and childish manner, I lose more respect for him.

[snorkelman]

I think his main issue is they added in creatine and BA because they are "hot supplements" right now and basically while they have benefits in general there is no need to have them in a preworkout as they do nothing for workout performance.

Yeah, I get that BA and creatine do not need to be timed as a pre-workout, as they are both about saturation and maintaining saturation, which can be achieved at any time of the day.

But it is not like some crappy supplements that either hide stuff in a prop blend, or pixi dust the amounts just so they can have it on the label, but it is such a small amount as to have no effect.

I actually don't know anything about that product or company (I just looked it up to see what was on the label) but IMO Lyle's anger would be better directed at many of the other pre-workout supps out there that have a bunch of weeds and grass clippings and roots as the main ingredients.

I suspect that this particular rant probably has something to do with some past history between these fellas.

[StackingPlates]

Every time Lyle behaves like this, in a pathetic and childish manner, I lose more respect for him.

Oddly it has the opposite effect on me. It's part of his online persona now and I'd be disappointed if he didn't spend his down hours providing entertainment like this...

[Lvisaa2]

Yeah, I get that BA and creatine do not need to be timed as a pre-workout, as they are both about saturation and maintaining saturation, which can be achieved at any time of the day.

But it is not like some crappy supplements that either hide stuff in a prop blend, or pixi dust the amounts just so they can have it on the label, but it is such a small amount as to have no effect.

I actually don't know anything about that product or company (I just looked it up to see what was on the label) but IMO Lyle's anger would be better directed at many of the other pre-workout supps out there that have a bunch of weeds and grass clippings and roots as the main ingredients.

I suspect that this particular rant probably has something to do with some past history between these fellas.

Fuk those fuking preworkouts that actually provide a proper dosage of an efficacious supplement. I mean I still think it is all overpriced crap, but still seems like a weird reason to be angry

[vitornoob]

Martin, Lyle, next will be Alan

[snorkelman]

Martin, Lyle, next will be Alan

Complete with his own youtube channel.



LowCarbAlan

[King222]

out of curiosity what are the training benefits of beta-alanine?

[desslok]

Complete with his own youtube channel.



LowCarbAlan

Pretty sure an "Alan tries paleo for a month" YT channel would surpass ICF's subscriber base and total views of all vids in about 5 minutes.

[godzilla916]

i owned him hella hard and he blocked me

make sure whenever u seem him post you write this

"Lyle Doesn't Lift"

it rustles the lyles jimmies