Misc Official EDM discussion thread part II

[chrsschb]

to many, i'm sure. that's what's ruining the potential for smaller artists to grow. everyone in electronic music feeds into the popularity of their labels head-honchos by relying on DJ playlisting to get recognition. it's a terrible catch 22 that builds the reputation of those artists for playing other peoples music while limiting the growth of the artists who produce quality music because the public will continue to support the DJ and not the producers.

there needs to be a system where people can find the music they want without relying on ASOT/ABGT/GDJB/Club Life/SiriusXM shows with armin/a&b/markus/tiesto/avicii/skrillex/guetta/whoever plastered all over them.

max graham does a fantastic job on his cycles radio to credit the artists he playlists, including buy links next to all the tracks

There's a MILLION smaller artists though. No one truly has time to deal with going through all those tracks so most people rely on their favorite DJs or labels to push music they enjoy. It sucks, but it's the world we live in. I absolutely cannot spend hundreds of hours a month sampling music for a 1-2 hour mix. I listen to a ton of shows, catch new releases on beatport, a little youtube research and boom I have my top tracks for the month and run with it. Some are new, some are old (this month I did some old Armin and Tiesto).

Even when I was big into Rock and Metal I had my favorite artists and never heard of anyone else. It wasn't until I became friends with a guy in a local rock band that I began to get a taste of the smaller groups and just how talented they actually were (one of them went on to open for a few big names like Motley Crue).

As I get deeper and deeper into the scene I'm made more and more aware of the smaller artists and djs and want to push them into popularity, but popularity doesn't want them. There's only room for a few at the top.

Just how it is.

[Stankus]

HARD Summer lineup released! Where are my LA brahs at?

[BTBAM]

Just heard this gem on the Tritonal podcast, really feelin' it:




What you guise think? Never heard of the producer.

[excess34]

There's a MILLION smaller artists though. No one truly has time to deal with going through all those tracks so most people rely on their favorite DJs or labels to push music they enjoy. It sucks, but it's the world we live in. I absolutely cannot spend hundreds of hours a month sampling music for a 1-2 hour mix. I listen to a ton of shows, catch new releases on beatport, a little youtube research and boom I have my top tracks for the month and run with it. Some are new, some are old (this month I did some old Armin and Tiesto).

Even when I was big into Rock and Metal I had my favorite artists and never heard of anyone else. It wasn't until I became friends with a guy in a local rock band that I began to get a taste of the smaller groups and just how talented they actually were (one of them went on to open for a few big names like Motley Crue).

As I get deeper and deeper into the scene I'm made more and more aware of the smaller artists and djs and want to push them into popularity, but popularity doesn't want them. There's only room for a few at the top.

Just how it is.

the thing is, other genres dont have the DJ playlisting as a crutch for the public to find new music and so people are more likely to venture forward and find new artists that suit their tastes. here, people are pretty much fed new music and attribute it to the DJ which is ass backwards to me, and the DJs obviously do nothing about it. armin could very well promote each track much better, at least by including buy links where applicable for the tracks. instead, there's only a vote for ASOT tune of the week........for ARMIN to play on his next show.

yes, irate

[excess34]

every1 wanna be a producer, aint noone wanna produce these fat ass beats! jklol but srs my next remix brahs, Ultimate remix was TOTW on ASOT last week so hoping my track gets some support



ep on infrasonic due out soon as well!

[308smk]

Anybody know Alexander Popov? I've really been digging his remixes lately.





Feels very sausage-fattener'd out.

[excess34]

i dig his style but i think his execution could be better. his mixdowns have always seemed so flat to me, and armadas loud ass mastering just brings that out. sounds great on ipods but playback on a decent system a lot of it seems lifeless.

[308smk]

i dig his style but i think his execution could be better. his mixdowns have always seemed so flat to me, and armadas loud ass mastering just brings that out. sounds great on ipods but playback on a decent system a lot of it seems lifeless.

I get what you're saying, its missing something, like a top end.

Know anything similar to that ****? Dirty vocal trance/electro?

[spikebrah]

I'm starting to really appreciate Walter White by Above & Beyond. Did nothing to me the first few times I heard it but I was playing some random new tunes the other night when I got home still peaking and found it really interesting.

[excess34]

I get what you're saying, its missing something, like a top end.

Know anything similar to that ****? Dirty vocal trance/electro?

tbh it's very much a copy of cosmic gates style, so maybe look through their discography?

[iviica]

[Hamzzza]

to many, i'm sure. that's what's ruining the potential for smaller artists to grow. everyone in electronic music feeds into the popularity of their labels head-honchos by relying on DJ playlisting to get recognition. it's a terrible catch 22 that builds the reputation of those artists for playing other peoples music while limiting the growth of the artists who produce quality music because the public will continue to support the DJ and not the producers.

there needs to be a system where people can find the music they want without relying on ASOT/ABGT/GDJB/Club Life/SiriusXM shows with armin/a&b/markus/tiesto/avicii/skrillex/guetta/whoever plastered all over them.

max graham does a fantastic job on his cycles radio to credit the artists he playlists, including buy links next to all the tracks

edit: or well, he did. looks like he's stopped as well.

imo youtube channels uploading free/unreleased music are doing a great job at this, and that's what's most in the direction of hearing music you like but that wont be generic and always the same just louder and with more high pitched sounds or ''dirtier'' or whatever..

[Hamzzza]

monoverse how do you feel about tracks like this

i mean the drums sound loud as fuk but come one the waveform is just one big block http://soundcloud.com/fl-studio/fl-s...stuff-seamless

[Hamzzza]

****ing biuriful



nice & unusual deep set by alle farben
http://soundcloud.com/allefarben/alle-farben-19

[excess34]

imo youtube channels uploading free/unreleased music are doing a great job at this, and that's what's most in the direction of hearing music you like but that wont be generic and always the same just louder and with more high pitched sounds or ''dirtier'' or whatever..

you're right, but still reliant on the networking power of one person or channel to expose artists further, again gaining exposure for the channel instead of the artists. i think websites such as hypem should be the future, except more geared towards providing information about the music up front. idk though

monoverse how do you feel about tracks like this

i mean the drums sound loud as fuk but come one the waveform is just one big block http://soundcloud.com/fl-studio/fl-s...stuff-seamless

haha you have to consider FLs target market: the public. and aint no top40/hiphop/whatever wannabe producer gonna be interested in hearing some well mixed ****. loud is always better to the untrained ear or on less than ideal listening situations (ipods, **** speakers), and you can't really market production quality. you can, however, market loud nonsense because to the untrained ear it wont matter. beyond that... the track itself has to be basic enough to function as an FL studio demo. seamless makes far better music regularly, and the limitations of creating for the purposes of an image line demo track clearly effect the outcome.

but yeah, music is ****ing painfully loud now and it astounds me, but makes sense because for it to be considered impressive by most it has to either be extremely well written musically or at least hold up or blow previous tracks out of the water in production aesthetic: and again, to the untrained ear, loudness is better production aesthetic

[.aeterna]

I'm starting to really appreciate Walter White by Above & Beyond. Did nothing to me the first few times I heard it but I was playing some random new tunes the other night when I got home still peaking and found it really interesting.

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[Imbaj]

I'm starting to really appreciate Walter White by Above & Beyond. Did nothing to me the first few times I heard it but I was playing some random new tunes the other night when I got home still peaking and found it really interesting.

Heard Super8 & Tab drop this live a few weeks ago.... MASSIVE

[Hamzzza]

you're right, but still reliant on the networking power of one person or channel to expose artists further, again gaining exposure for the channel instead of the artists. i think websites such as hypem should be the future, except more geared towards providing information about the music up front. idk though



haha you have to consider FLs target market: the public. and aint no top40/hiphop/whatever wannabe producer gonna be interested in hearing some well mixed ****. loud is always better to the untrained ear or on less than ideal listening situations (ipods, **** speakers), and you can't really market production quality. you can, however, market loud nonsense because to the untrained ear it wont matter. beyond that... the track itself has to be basic enough to function as an FL studio demo. seamless makes far better music regularly, and the limitations of creating for the purposes of an image line demo track clearly effect the outcome.

but yeah, music is ****ing painfully loud now and it astounds me, but makes sense because for it to be considered impressive by most it has to either be extremely well written musically or at least hold up or blow previous tracks out of the water in production aesthetic: and again, to the untrained ear, loudness is better production aesthetic

1) then it's something like groups on soundcloud....but basically it's the same like being subbed to many channels, they would upload all the music of any worth from these SC groups minus the really bad ones imo....havent checked out hypem yet though, will see


2) yes...he obviously knows his **** i mean the tutorials are amazing and he never goes like ''yeah lemme just browse this preset...nice...another one...nice, now compress and add some distortion, great''

he really understands how it all works, so that's why i am a bit surprised by this

[XeNoN89]

Still haven't bothered to upload my videos for timewarp...except for this one

This was Richie Hawtin still going hard at 10:20AM Sunday morning.

The sound system was insane, phone couldn't handle the bass!



This was such an amazing party....

[excess34]

1) then it's something like groups on soundcloud....but basically it's the same like being subbed to many channels, they would upload all the music of any worth from these SC groups minus the really bad ones imo....havent checked out hypem yet though, will see


2) yes...he obviously knows his **** i mean the tutorials are amazing and he never goes like ''yeah lemme just browse this preset...nice...another one...nice, now compress and add some distortion, great''

he really understands how it all works, so that's why i am a bit surprised by this

the groups on soundcloud idea is a great idea. maybe a website that functions similar to soundcloud groups strictly for electronic music split into subgenres and availability to submit from youtube & soundcloud would be a nice community. wood pursue if i had any knowledge of programming lol, or maybe this exists already and im not familiar with it

edit: it also needs to be a standalone community imo, so that people of all communities are able to browse and contribute without tying into say... reddit or the misc lol. that way the community feeds into itself instead of off of the popularity of the bigger site

as for the seamless thing, you're right he does make high quality stuff but even though he can showcase how he does it all in his youtube tuts it doesn't mean that it takes him any less time to produce that quality in the first place. it sounds like the demo track was like half way through the process and smashed through a limiter, but after all its a demo track and i wouldnt expect his quality to hold up to the **** he can really sit on and hammer out. you'd be surprised to hear the final products compared to their initial or even half way points. take, for example, the armin & deadmau5 collab they never finished. surely, had they continued, it wouldve sounded infinitely better from their starting point they previewed. it just goes to show that nobody can make a fantastic track without putting in the leg work they require, on whatever level, to get to their own individual standard of production quality

[ChaseW]

I'm starting to really appreciate Walter White by Above & Beyond. Did nothing to me the first few times I heard it but I was playing some random new tunes the other night when I got home still peaking and found it really interesting.

A&B is just getting lazy, the breakdown is incredible but then it goes full retard.



Also, love me some good excess34 rants. Makes my heart smile to see him so irate.

[Catabolism]

Just learned that I'm seeing MS54 this summer, words can not describe how pumped I am to see them.

[anonymous]

Great discussions these last few pages

Also, just picked up the Audio Technica M50's. Fcking loving these headphones already, gonna listen to Bayer's new album on em in a bit!

[excess34]

Great discussions these last few pages

Also, just picked up the Audio Technica M50's. Fcking loving these headphones already, gonna listen to Bayer's new album on em in a bit!

good choice! have a pair for casual listening as well. got em like half off on amazon during a random headphone sale they had. win.

[anonymous]

good choice! have a pair for casual listening as well. got em like half off on amazon during a random headphone sale they had. win.

Yeah man I'm loving them so far. I needed a nice comfy pair for the long study sessions I put in. The sound on these are fantastic as well.

Btw, saw your remix on /r/trance. Great stuff man!

[Imbaj]

Still haven't bothered to upload my videos for timewarp...except for this one

This was Richie Hawtin still going hard at 10:20AM Sunday morning.

The sound system was insane, phone couldn't handle the bass!



This was such an amazing party....

The lineup was crazy good... I must come next year

[excess34]

Yeah man I'm loving them so far. I needed a nice comfy pair for the long study sessions I put in. The sound on these are fantastic as well.

Btw, saw your remix on /r/trance. Great stuff man!

thanks dude! hope it does well ep on infrasonic promos next week as well

[.aeterna]

Also, just picked up the Audio Technica M50's. Fcking loving these headphones already, gonna listen to Bayer's new album on em in a bit!

I've had a pair of M50's for a month now and I love them. Use them religiously...



Anyways, I've had these tracks on repeat for the past few weeks:

[IJustWannaPuke]

hardstye from the weekend



hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng was a epic day

[Nico Toscani]

Some sinister flavor by the Italian techno maestro...




Daft Punk - Technologic (AnGy KoRe BOOTLEG Remix)