OHP form question

[Quake215]

Ay, moral of the story...everyone has an opinion. JustBulk and I have ours, ya'll two have yours....its not that hard of a concept to get. lol

[Xuaxace]

Like I said initially, before Engineer guy got his panties in a bunch, I agree to disagree. I couldn't find any videos on youtube with people's heels on the floor, but I feel like if I did, ya'll wouldve said something like "that's wrong" anyway lmao....for that matter you could talk about extreme arches in backs on bench, how you hold the bar when you squat, etc. if you're going to talk about guys that push press 500lbs using the same technique as you. I'll point you to a previous post, where I said that "lifting is fairly subjective". everyone has different methods, it's all about the results.

Unless ya'll are going to tell me everyone does every exercise the exact same. lol.

This is where you are wrong, lifting is subjective, but a push press with any decent poundage CAN NOT be done without the heels coming off the ground. It does not have to do with technique or form, it is more of physics. If you want the maximum ammount of leg drive to be transfered into the bar the heels will come off the ground. thre is a reason why you won't find a video out there to support your argument, it jsut doesn't append.



talking about extreme arches, do you like mine?

[Engineer_Guy]

Like I said initially, before Engineer guy got his panties in a bunch, I agree to disagree. I couldn't find any videos on youtube with people's heels on the floor, but I feel like if I did, ya'll wouldve said something like "that's wrong" anyway lmao....for that matter you could talk about extreme arches in backs on bench, how you hold the bar when you squat, etc. if you're going to talk about guys that push press 500lbs using the same technique as you. I'll point you to a previous post, where I said that "lifting is fairly subjective". everyone has different methods, it's all about the results.

Unless ya'll are going to tell me everyone does every exercise the exact same. lol.

This is ironic because I'm not telling anyone to do something in a certain way. You are the one telling people to do something in a certain way. And your certain way is wrong. Whether the heels stay on the floor or leave the floor does not matter in a push press. But good luck doing any reasonable amount of weight without the heels leaving the floor...

[Xuaxace]

Ay, moral of the story...everyone has an opinion. JustBulk and I have ours, ya'll two have yours....its not that hard of a concept to get. lol

I am certain that justbulk will realise the mistake of his statement, unlike you.

[Quake215]

This is where you are wrong, lifting is subjective, but a push press with any decent poundage CAN NOT be done without the heels coming off the ground. It does not have to do with technique or form, it is more of physics. If you want the maximum ammount of leg drive to be transfered into the bar the heels will come off the ground. thre is a reason why you won't find a video out there to support your argument, it jsut doesn't append.



talking about extreme arches, do you like mine?

physics.........wtf lol. I'll just say force=mass x acceleration. if you got the same acceleration from lifting your heel, compared to keeping it down, then it wouldn't truly matter right? but this is going slowly off track. Just because you think it can't doesn't mean it can't...the human body is capable of great things, so I dont see why someone wouldn't be able to. but I'm sleep.

Also, that doesn't hurt? I'm not that flexible...I bench "normal".....just enough arch in my back so that someone could put their arm between me and the bench.

[Quake215]

I am certain that justbulk will realise the mistake of his statement, unlike you.

why are you so certain?

Also engineer guy, I never told anyone to do anything a certain way...I simply said you should. So if it doesn't matter whether the heels leave the floor or not, why you coming for my neck........lmfao you just did all thsi for nothing man.

[Xuaxace]

physics.........wtf lol. I'll just say force=mass x acceleration. if you got the same acceleration from lifting your heel, compared to keeping it down, then it wouldn't truly matter right? but this is going slowly off track. Just because you think it can't doesn't mean it can't...the human body is capable of great things, so I dont see why someone wouldn't be able to. but I'm sleep.

Also, that doesn't hurt? I'm not that flexible...I bench "normal".....just enough arch in my back so that someone could put their arm between me and the bench.

You know, since the start of this thread I have looked at 20 videos of push presses, non kept their heels on the floor. Can it be done? yeah but with submaximal weights and focusing on not driving up too hard. so if it can only be done with submaximal weights, taking away from the lift, how can it be remotely be considered good technique.


No it doesn't hurt, I am just flexible.

[Quake215]

Oh ok I'm not flexible at all.

I think that if they did it with submaximsl weight, it would use even more shoulder...maybe that degree of intensity between a strict overhead press and a push press.

[Xuaxace]

Oh ok I'm not flexible at all.

I think that if they did it with submaximsl weight, it would use even more shoulder...maybe that degree of intensity between a strict overhead press and a push press.

Supposibly, yeah, a small knee unlock/relock would be have leg drive but keep the knees on the floor. MOre used to get a bit of momentum off the bottom. People that do that, tend to think they are strict pressing but just cheating a bit.

Regardless, the general push press is not that.

[Quake215]

Supposibly, yeah, a small knee unlock/relock would be have leg drive but keep the knees on the floor. MOre used to get a bit of momentum off the bottom. People that do that, tend to think they are strict pressing but just cheating a bit.

Regardless, the general push press is not that.

Okay that's what I took it to be, essentially cheating. Granted I've been lifting since Late October, but I just use a strict overhead press.

[superstylr]

^^^


watch any decent push press and the heels come off

That's a power jerk, though. Not a push press.

[Quake215]

That's a power jerk, though. Not a push press.

what's a powerjerk? Not being a dickhead I'm just curious. Also, dont be surprised if someone calls you wrong asap

[superstylr]

what's a powerjerk? Not being a dickhead I'm just curious. Also, dont be surprised if someone calls you wrong asap

Like a push press but you bend your knees a second time

[Xuaxace]

what's a powerjerk? Not being a dickhead I'm just curious. Also, dont be surprised if someone calls you wrong asap

Well, he is actually right


I am a bit sure it wasn't purposely done but still a power jerk, though a limited one. Here is a more obvious one




and here when its done to a full overhead squat (jerk squat)

[Jetigen]

Is lifting your heels during OHP acceptable form?

When you go heavy and start cheating, OHP turns into Push Press. It's a good exercise when done correctly. And yes you can lift your heels in Push Press.

Push Press explained:

[Singularity7]

Absolutely love this beast.

[JustBulk]

Guys, leave me out of this pissing contest, lol.

I was wrong. Thank you for helping me learn something different today, Engineer_Guy and Xuaxace. Push-press has never been part of my routine, so admittedly, my knowledge of it is little and limited. I always thought that it was simply driving the bar up using quads with the heels rooted to the ground. After watching the videos, I actually headed to the gym to try it out, and I was wrong. The momentum of the leg drive does propel your heels off the ground and gives you the extra power to bring up the bar.

Thanks for the knowledge.

[Quake215]

Guys, leave me out of this pissing contest, lol.

I was wrong. Thank you for helping me learn something different today, Engineer_Guy and Xuaxace. Push-press has never been part of my routine, so admittedly, my knowledge of it is little and limited. I always thought that it was simply driving the bar up using quads with the heels rooted to the ground. After watching the videos, I actually headed to the gym to try it out, and I was wrong. The momentum of the leg drive does propel your heels off the ground and gives you the extra power to bring up the bar.

Thanks for the knowledge.

Agree. I don't use it in my workout either lol

[Quake215]

Well, he is actually right


I am a bit sure it wasn't purposely done but still a power jerk, though a limited one. Here is a more obvious one




and here when its done to a full overhead squat (jerk squat)

Okay thanks for the vids, I'm gonna watch them when I get a chance

[Quake215]

Absolutely love this beast.

Slurp.....lol