What is your opinion on affirmative action?

[ISUbrah]

I think it has no place in America. If I'm born white and someone is born of a different race, which is uncontrollable for both parties, it gives an advantage to the other party because of this. It's like I had a choice in being white and they didnt have a choice in their race. I think it takes away competition and that the most qualified candidate should be chosen regardless of race...





If you disagree, explain why.

[vincelance54]

affirmative action debate...

[jamesbwbevis]

It depends what context. If the goal is to promote diversity, in say a school or career, then AA is the quickest way to do it. Obviously the best way is to make changes so that more minorities are qualified in the first place. But thats a much more difficult process than just making it easier for them. So, in all I dont like but it may be necessary in some cases. This is a minority who benefited from AA in the past btw

[tk217]

Reparations!

[jamesbwbevis]

affirmative action debate...

lold, will rape

[The Chillosopher]

Completely goes against capitalism. No long is it "may the best man win", it's now "may the best man who is a visible minority and also has a disability win"

[ATka23]

White middle-class male checking in.

Almost makes me feel disadvantaged.

[ISUbrah]

It depends what context. If the goal is to promote diversity, in say a school or career, then AA is the quickest way to do it. Obviously the best way is to make changes so that more minorities are qualified in the first place. But thats a much more difficult process than just making it easier for them. So, in all I dont like but it may be necessary in some cases. This is a minority who benefited from AA in the past btw

I see your point, but why can't they take out loans and work hard through college in order to get qualified like my parents and grandparents did?

Completely goes against capitalism. No long is it "may the best man win", it's now "may the best man who is a visible minority and also has a disability win"

my thoughts as well

[jamesbwbevis]

Completely goes against capitalism. No long is it "may the best man win", it's now "may the best man who is a visible minority and also has a disability win"

more like "may the best man win after correcting for unfair systematic and societal disadvantages"



eue mahd

[0rbit]

It depends what context. If the goal is to promote diversity, in say a school or career, then AA is the quickest way to do it. Obviously the best way is to make changes so that more minorities are qualified in the first place. But thats a much more difficult process than just making it easier for them. So, in all I dont like but it may be necessary in some cases. This is a minority who benefited from AA in the past btw

why is diversity good in a school or career? Shouldn't diversity be a non-factor? Whoever is most qualified should get the job or spot in college.

[Caxoo]

I think it has no place in America. If I'm born white and someone is born of a different race, which is uncontrollable for both parties, it gives an advantage to the other party because of this. It's like I had a choice in being white and they didnt have a choice in their race. I think it takes away competition and that the most qualified candidate should be chosen regardless of race...





If you disagree, explain why.

Agree that it's unfair, but it's either do that to quell civil discontent or actually address fundamental issues at heart of socioeconomic disparity, which is infinitely less preferred by politicians (and it's also much harder, and arguably impossible)

I'd argue for a race-blind affirmative action policy that only considers socioeconomic status, but it's probably harder to institute such a policy you'd think

[jamesbwbevis]

I see your point, but why can't they take out loans and work hard through college in order to get qualified like my parents and grandparents did?

Again, because for some reason schools/careers want diversity and its easier to get it by lowering standards. Its not as if there is some inherent motivation to help minorities for the sake of it. Rather, society is starting to value diversity, and AA is a shortcut to achieve it

[jamesbwbevis]

why is diversity good in a school or career? Shouldn't diversity be a non-factor? Whoever is most qualified should get the job or spot in college.

I agree, diversity shouldnt matter IMO but given that it does AA makes sense

[PongLenis]

brb giving someone an advantage/disadvantage based off something that they have no control over

makes sense, yep.

[The Chillosopher]

more like "may the best man win after correcting for unfair systematic and societal disadvantages"



eue mahd

It just goes completely against the principles of capitalism.

You're intentionally taking people who may be equally qualified as someone who happens to be white, male, female etc and selecting them because of their skin color or ethnicity/heritage which has no bearing on their ability to perform a job effectively.

[VW_R32]

Well I'm sure this thread will end well

[iceypain]

affirmative action based on class makes more sense than on race

[spamwithbacon]

how isn't affirmative action illegal?

how is giving someone a job or admission into college based entirely on their skin color over someone more qualified or deserving allowed to happen? sickening

[Yero91]

the temptation to troll is so strong right now. Never have I felt myself drawn to a thread, for the sole purpose of trolling like this. Thank god there's just a little bit of self control left in me.

[DasWunderBrah]

Agree that it's unfair, but it's either do that to quell civil discontent or actually address fundamental issues at heart of socioeconomic disparity, which is infinitely less preferred by politicians (and it's also much harder, and arguably impossible)

I'd argue for a race-blind affirmative action policy that only considers socioeconomic status, but it's probably harder to institute such a policy you'd think

10/10 post. storied economist Thomas Sowell obliterated the AA debate by bring up those same fundamental issues at the heart of socioeconomic disparity, which politicians want absolutely no part in discussing.

"Intellectuals" of peace in Congress that ignore statistics/history and cling to ideology.

[idk1010]

There's one of these threads every week on the misc and the general consensus is usually that it is unfair. Also from the UC example, whites aren't really disadvantaged by AA. Asians on the other hand are at a strong disadvantage with AA in place.

[jamesbwbevis]

how isn't affirmative action illegal?

how is giving someone a job or admission into college based entirely on their skin color over someone more qualified or deserving allowed to happen? sickening

Slavery, segregation etc remember that. I think AA is a decent trade-off after being racially abused and segregated for generations.

I dont agree with it, but I understand it

[NickD25]

I do not agree with affirmative action. It is reverse discrimination and i feel a job or whatever should go to the most qualified candidate.

[BTTB3]

I think we need some affirmative action ITT and move this thread to the Religion & Politics Section ---------------------------------------------------->

[EnthusiasmCreed]

Slavery, segregation etc remember that. I think AA is a decent trade-off after being racially abused and segregated for generations.

I dont agree with it, but I understand it

That horse has been beat to death. May the best person for the job win, is what a true non-racist society would do.

[Ace Thedics]

No need for it in this day and age.

In the workplace or for schools.

[jamesbwbevis]

That horse has been beat to death. May the best person for the job win, is what a true non-racist society would do.

IDK about that man. theres nothing wrong with society making up for past evils. However, I do agree that AA is NOT the best way to do it.

[celtic204]

should be based on socioeconomic status/thread

but then again, the kunts in charge of this country are too brainless or scared to do anything for risk of losing their popularity. IMHO, Obama only won because he was black and pushing more and more unemployment and other packages for the poor. which make up a good amount of the US btw

[0rbit]

Slavery, segregation etc remember that. I think AA is a decent trade-off after being racially abused and segregated for generations.

I dont agree with it, but I understand it

lold at trade off? Why do blacks deserve compensation for years of racial abuse? Every race has abused another race some point in history,humans have fought against other tribes,races,countries,etc. for thousands of years. it's part of life. Why would modern generations of blacks be entitled to privileges due to something that has not affected them in any way.

Affirmative action should be based off of economic status only, there are more whites who come from poor homes then blacks in the U.S. where is their entitlements?

[celtic204]

lold at trade off? Why do blacks deserve compensation for years of racial abuse? Every race has abused another race some point in history,humans have fought against other tribes,races,countries,etc. for thousands of years. it's part of life. Why would modern generations of blacks be entitled to privileges due to something that has not affected them in any way. My russian ancestors were enslaved by arabs can I get some affirmative action if I go to the middle east? Or how about my irish ancestors that were enslaved by the British? can I get some AA in the UK for being irish?

this.