I lift MWF with 30min cardio after the session w/protein shake post-lift. I also do 30 min of cardio Tue & Thurs. All workouts happen 1st thing in the morning.
Main goal is cutting down and I want to know if you guys would recommend any supplements.
Diet is roughly 1000-1200/day, BMR calculator shows I have a BMR of 1900 so I'm trying to maintain a 500cal/day deficit in diet alone.
I drink Jack & Diet (roughly 60-80cals each) and only have about 3 when I actually go to the bar (4-6x a wk).
I drink roughly a gallon of water a day, and only soda I drink is Diet Dr. Pepper.
Is there anything else I can/should be doing? Looking to shed about another 10lbs for the beach! I just am curious what supplements would be helping me.
04-02-2013, 06:59 AM #1
Beach in 7 weeks - help me shred!
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04-02-2013, 07:22 AM #2
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What are your stats now?
1. Get rid of your misconceptions
2. Calculate your calories and macros
3. Eat about 20% less calories than you burn each day while still meeting minimum protein and fat. Get the remainder of cals from carbs.
4. Buy a kitchen scale and weigh everything that you eat.
5. Count calories using a site like MyFitnessPal. Here's how to count properly.
6. Lift heavy weights to preserve muscle mass on a program like Starting Strength.
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I calculated my BMR out (using the formula posted) and am eating ~500 cals below that.
I saw this but I guess at the end of the day, isn't this all just subtraction? Can you help me understand why only running a deficit from TDEE instead of BMR is preferred, and while running a deficit on my BMR is running a deficit of my TDEE, just a large one.
Is 1500cal/day too little or something?
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04-02-2013, 07:45 AM #7
This is insane, I calculated my TDEE to be around 3k cal a day.
I calculated 3000cal for my lifting days, and 2700 for my non-lifting-cardio-only days.
This seems WAY to high.
Even if I assume the calculation of TDE = 1.55 x BMR (as I only heavy lift 3x a week) it's saying that Daily intake need is 2814, which I'm over 1k/day under.
Even my fitness Pal recommends 1200cal/day....can you clear up why they recommends
such a low number (like I am currently doing) compared to this TDEE-Deficit format?
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04-02-2013, 07:58 AM #9
My TDEE is 2700-2800 and i'm eating 2200 calorie and losing 1 lbs/week.
If you eat below your BMR, You can lose some weight but it will never last because your body will be theoretically trying to survive and keep all the food you give to it.
so aim for TDEE - 20%.
04-02-2013, 07:58 AM #10
Hitting the bars 4-6 times a week? Impressive! Let's split it and say 5 times a week...3 drinks when you go out. Something tells me drinking 15 mixed drinks a week will not help you in your quest to get shredded. Maybe cut it down to 2-3 times a week? On top of the fact that drinking nearly every day is doing nothing to help you in your goals...you do not want to be known as the guy that hangs out in the bars almost every single night.
04-02-2013, 08:06 AM #11
You are right on mixed drinks, and they can add up fast but a Jack & Diet is going to run you ~80cal/ea. The alternative is something like vodka and water w/ Mio flavoring.
It's a sports bar where I'm just one of about 15 regulars, there is always a baseball/hockey/something going on worth watching. I can stop going to the bars but If all you guys math is correct, why is myfitness pal suggesting 1270 cals/day if I want to drop 2lb/wk?
Last time I got in beach shape I was eating ~1500cal/day and that was 2 years ago..I'm trying as best I can to mimic the success and regiment that I had then but I will try this TDEE-20% method to see how it goes.
04-02-2013, 11:24 AM #12
1200 is too low. I'm at a 20% deficit at 1560 cal/day and I'm much smaller than you.
Been averaging a beautiful ~1lb per week for the last 5 weeks and it will keep doing that for the remainder of my cut.
Any lower and I'd have ZERO energy to hit the iron.
IMHO, hit your macros, have a smart (not excessive) deficit, lift heavy and it'll all happen.
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First off your drinking is killing any chance of shedding fat...period. Until you can stop that everything else is useless. At 187 and 5-8 you have a long way to go to be "shredded". 7 weeks will just get you started. To even make a dent you'll need to be at about 1,500 cals of food and no alcohol as you'll need that many cals just to take in minimum protien and get some fats and carbs in. With a 1,000 cal defecit per day that's 2 lbs a week and I highly doubt if you can do that. Even at that you won't see a big difference in 7 weeks. The scale won't even start to move for 2 weeks and then it isn't a linear loss. Just get started regardless, the sooner the better.Yes I'm 63 and natural but with a Test number of almost 800.
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just calculate your tdee and eat 500 below that, if your tdee is 3000 check it and check it again, if it is deffinatly 3000 then 2500 is your daily target, hit your macro's and you will lose fat.
if you get it right you could lose 7lb, probably more on the scales due to water fluctuations but im 5"8 and 180 is not beach body unless you have a decent muscular frame already.
04-02-2013, 02:57 PM #17Yes I'm 63 and natural but with a Test number of almost 800.
At it for 43 years. No end in sight
04-03-2013, 04:45 AM #18
I'm shooting for about 10-15lbs over the next 8 weeks.
Energy isn't my problem, I work out in the AM, work, then school till 10 so I'm tired enough at the end of the day to get good sleep.
Regardless where the calories come from, aren't we talking about a straight caloric deficit? Wheather that is in the form of cereal, protein shake, or drinks-I thought the name of the game was deficit?
I'm burning out a minimum of 300cals a day(and that is on days I do nothing but cardio) 5-6 days a week, plus 1000 cal deficit.
Can someone elaborate on how between a 7k weekly deficit in the gym 3-5 days a week won't work? I figure 2lb/wk * 8 wks = ~15 lbs?
Diet is clean, Cereal and shake for breakfast, healthy choice @ my desk for lunch, subway sandwich for dinner(that's all they have at school) with lean meats be mustard.
When I do drink were talking 300-400cals in te form of Jack and Diet per outing but I'm staying within my +1250 cal/day allotment.
I mean, wasnt there some researcher that went on a twinkles-only diet for a month and lost weight just by running a caloric deficit? He did nothing but replace where is calories came from.
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If you arent happy redo the calculations, use a different app (I use Calorie Counter from Fatsecret.com), Your calories seem low to me too. That could be your problem as well. Do more research. Change something. You have gotten good information here. If you dont like it, fine. But don't fight. Do something.
MFP is not infallable. Nothing is. Maybe read the stickies and do a manual calculation of TDEE and see if they end up near the same. We can only give advice. You are the only one who can take action."I hate it when people say "Don't be so hard on yourself." Why not be hard on yourself? Be as hard on yourself as you can. Maybe just maybe it will get you up off your ass and help you accomplish a goal. If not, your weakness has won." ~ ME
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04-03-2013, 06:46 AM #24
I'm only on week 2 of the diet so nobody is complaining in here lol.
TDEE says 3011
BMR says 1911
Can someone explain to me how If I were to do TDEE-500 cals, vs BMR-700, I would lose more? Seems kinda counter intuitive.
Even according to the Weight Simulator in the stickies, In order to drop 20lbs in 50 days my intake needs to be ~1700cals and my output needs to average ~ 2600cals.
This all boils down to simple subtraction which a few of you are arguing against - I'm just looking for the reasons behind their arguments.
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But if I were to run a quick look over your weight and factoring in some level of bodyfat in an average zone, you would never be able to maintain a adequate level of protein and fats (within your 1000-1200cal limit) to prevent muscle wastage.
If you were to factor in that you will up your protein - the calculations in the stickies in here would recommend a protein intake of between 160g - 240g (approx) a day, that would be 640 to 960cals a day.
Recommended fats is 0.4 to the lean body mass lb, so I'll estimate you are 160lb lbm - we have 64g or 576 calories, this leaves us at 1216 to 1536cals a day.
This is the amount of calories you should eat before we even factor in carbs vitamins minerals, so even if you chomp down on pure protein shakes and fish oil, you will be losing out on something essential somewhere.
And this is all before you get up and get out of bed and start expending energy...
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BMR is the base line amount of calories you would need for just being a alive, sleeping all day and never moving. A calorie deficit gets you to burn fat, but too much of a deficit actually starves your body. And when you starve your body, you body will turn everything you eat into fat for survival, and it will eat into your muscle even though you eating adequate macros(protein, fat, etc). So eating below BMR will make you fatter and lose muscle after around a week or two, I can ever tell you this from experience. If you ate at BMR you would still lose muscle and get fatter unless you sleep all day and not move, because any kind of movement burns some amount calories; and the BMR has only enough calories for a sleeping state. TDEE, takes into account how much you need to survive(BMR) AND activities you do in your day to day life. If you want to lose weight at a deficit of your TDEE, eating at too much of a deficit will kill muscle and get your fatter. And the point about the alcohol, the other members were pointing out the alcohol calories aren't like regular calories. They're more likely to turn STRAIGHT into fat come pared to calories from other foods.
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