North Dakota Abortion Restriction

[ONtop888]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/27/us...mits.html?_r=0

The bill signed by ND governor: prohibits abortions of Down syndrome children and prohibits abortion after heart beat is detected.

Great bill. The states should be able to decide the term limits. Although I am not sure how this will hold up considering RvW, I think, has something about a second trimester mark.

[Milo3]

isn't indisputable that at the stage if you can detect a heartbeat then there is no reason states should be allowed to continue aborting babies?

I'm sure Arkansas passed a similar bill recently. good to see.

[lasher]

This is fantastic. But I doubt it will survive a legal challenge.

[ONtop888]

This is fantastic. But I doubt it will survive a legal challenge.

My thoughts exactly.

[Staberella]

Based on detection of heartbeat? I was able to see my son's heartbeat via ultrasound @ 7-8 weeks. Had a miscarriage scare and the tech was able to find his hearbeat no problem.

[mehdi84]

OP you waging war on a women's body?

[Swamp Dog]

OP you waging war on a women's body?

It would be a fairer fight than with a baby.

[HumptyBrah]

Brb heartbeat
Brb nah, it's not murder

[DennisR1977]

That's pretty retarded considering a fetus develops a heart beat around 21 days after conception, and it's pumping its own supply of blood at that point.

[ONtop888]

That's pretty retarded considering a fetus develops a heart beat around 21 days after conception, and it's pumping its own supply of blood at that point.

That's the idea numb nuts.

[DennisR1977]

That's the idea numb nuts.

What's with the name calling? That's a very short period to say the woman has a week or two at most to decide on a life altering decision.

[JFizzle23]

Another topic that no one but the parents should have a decision on. If for some reason they so choose to have an abortion, they should have the right to abort the child.

Murder...no. Just no.

[ONtop888]

What's with the name calling? That's a very short period to say the woman has a week or two at most to decide on a life altering decision.

Sorry, I get testy on this issue. It's a life altering situation for the fetus who is pumping its own blood too.

Abortion should not be allowed for superficial reasons to begin with, like I want to go to college now or I am not ready or I don't have enough money. Those are solved by birth control, not abortion. Rape would be an unfortunate but perhaps necessary exception.

It also forces responsibility, if you are going to get an abortion then you can no longer contemplate it for months on end and then decide to kill a more fully developed child.

[HumptyBrah]

Another topic that no one but the parents should have a decision on. If for some reason they so choose to have an abortion, they should have the right to abort the child.

Murder...no. Just no.

Quality, well-formulated argument

[DennisR1977]

Sorry, I get testy on this issue. It's a life altering situation for the fetus who is pumping its own blood too.

Abortion should not be allowed for superficial reasons to begin with, like I want to go to college now or I am not ready or I don't have enough money. Those are solved by birth control, not abortion. Rape would be an unfortunate but perhaps necessary exception.

It also forces responsibility, if you are going to get an abortion then you can no longer contemplate it for months on end and then decide to kill a more fully developed child.

I agree there should be some cut off point where an abortion is not an option, but 3 weeks is insane. A woman usually find out after 2 weeks, giving her 1 week to decide her an the fetus' fate, that's too short. Hell, some woman might not even find out they're pregnant until AFTER that period.

[lasher]

Murder...no. Just no.

Oh, well I guess that's settled then, thanks bro.

[HumptyBrah]

I agree there should be some cut off point where an abortion is not an option, but 3 weeks is insane. A woman usually find out after 2 weeks, giving her 1 week to decide her an the fetus' fate, that's too short. Hell, some woman might not even find out they're pregnant until AFTER that period.

To some people, abortion is insane

[Zedbimmer]

why do we insert ourselves in the choices of others, what does an aborted child do to your daily life?

[JFizzle23]

To some people, abortion is insane

Let the record show that the reference of "some people" mainly refers to religious nut bugs.

Just to clarify.

why do we insert ourselves in the choices of others, what does an aborted child do to your daily life?

Absolutely nothing, and that's exactly why is should be legal. But religion once again rears its ugly face.

[lasher]

why do we insert ourselves in the choices of others, what does an aborted child do to your daily life?

Some people just find murder distasteful I guess. Who'd of thought??

[DennisR1977]

To some people, abortion is insane

It is to me, but it's not my life, and I also realize its a necessary evil. If we don't want a huge influx of homeless children and welfare recipients, it's needed.

[Harbinger]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/27/us...mits.html?_r=0

The bill signed by ND governor: prohibits abortions of Down syndrome children and prohibits abortion after heart beat is detected.

Great bill. The states should be able to decide the term limits. Although I am not sure how this will hold up considering RvW, I think, has something about a second trimester mark.

isn't indisputable that at the stage if you can detect a heartbeat then there is no reason states should be allowed to continue aborting babies?

I'm sure Arkansas passed a similar bill recently. good to see.

This is fantastic. But I doubt it will survive a legal challenge.

My thoughts exactly.

So this is how liberty dies: With thunderous applause.

[lasher]

So this is how liberty dies: With thunderous applause.

We all know the court will strike down the anti baby killing law. Don't be so dramatic.

[tk217]

What's with the name calling? That's a very short period to say the woman has a week or two at most to decide on a life altering decision.

You mean they didn't make that decision when they were having sex while not on the pill? Or having vaginal over oral/anal - or having a condom - or using spermacide - or a dental dam - or just giving the guy a hand job?

[HumptyBrah]

Let the record show that the reference of "some people" mainly refers to religious nut bugs.

Just to clarify.

You lose all credibility in a debate when you demean one of the people/groups in said debate

Disclaimer: I'm an atheist

[ONtop888]

So this is how liberty dies: With thunderous applause.

Freedom really died when infanticide was prohibited, lets be cereal.

[HumptyBrah]

brb parasite in your body
brb need doctor to remove it
brb jail to remove parasite

Don't talk about yourself like that bro

[ONtop888]

You mean they didn't make that decision when they were having sex while not on the pill? Or having vaginal over oral/anal - or having a condom - or using spermacide - or a dental dam - or just giving the guy a hand job?

Way too much effort. A more sane and rational alternative is to simply kill your kid when it is most vulnerable.

[lasher]

brb parasite in your body
brb need doctor to remove it
brb jail to remove parasite

Awww, behold what wonderful values our beautiful society instills in people nowadays. BRB a baby is a parasite.

[tk217]

We were all parasites at one point. Our host just allowed us to feed.

I don't think you understand what a parasite is.