Vitamin pills are a scam.

[danezcou3]

The reason because i refuse to take a simple little pill that is supposed to contain all the essential vitamins and minerals you can get from fruits and vegetables, is that in the process of creating these products, they have to take away all the other things that make it serve any purpose to your body such as, Phytochemicals. The only people that advocate its usage, are the people making money off it. They claim this is a supplement with all essential vitamins, but that doesnt mean it works. I would suggest to anyone to take as little as possible of supplements of foods that we have a little understanding of. Don´t take antioxidant supplements either, just drink tea, Japanese matcha tea is great. Its 100% organic and has 125x more antioxidant potency than regular green tea.

Here´s an article about this:

blog.thrivefoods.net/2010/03/are-vitamins-scam.html

[powercage]

The only people that advocate its usage, are the people making money off it.

And doctors

[De__eB]

The reason because i refuse to take a simple little pill that is supposed to contain all the essential vitamins and minerals you can get from fruits and vegetables, is that in the process of creating these products, they have to take away all the other things that make it serve any purpose to your body such as, Phytochemicals. The only people that advocate its usage, are the people making money off it. They claim this is a supplement with all essential vitamins, but that doesnt mean it works. I would suggest to anyone to take as little as possible of supplements of foods that we have a little understanding of. Don´t take antioxidant supplements either, just drink tea, Japanese matcha tea is great. Its 100% organic and has 125x more antioxidant potency than regular green tea.

Here´s an article about this:

blog.thrivefoods.net/2010/03/are-vitamins-scam.html

Strong irony.

[danezcou3]

Strong irony.

Matcha tea isnt a brand. Try thinking a bit the next time you make a post

[TheCable]

And doctors

But a 2010 Blog post hosted on a disabled website says otherwise.

[jiggamanbill]

The reason because i refuse to take a simple little pill that is supposed to contain all the essential vitamins and minerals you can get from fruits and vegetables, is that in the process of creating these products, they have to take away all the other things that make it serve any purpose to your body such as, Phytochemicals. The only people that advocate its usage, are the people making money off it. They claim this is a supplement with all essential vitamins, but that doesnt mean it works. I would suggest to anyone to take as little as possible of supplements of foods that we have a little understanding of. Don´t take antioxidant supplements either, just drink tea, Japanese matcha tea is great. Its 100% organic and has 125x more antioxidant potency than regular green tea.

Here´s an article about this:

blog.thrivefoods.net/2010/03/are-vitamins-scam.html

You should also reccomend that people don't cook their food either, as cooking can also destroy the nutrients, vitamins, minerals, etc. within that food.

So basically have a superior diet of raw foods

Also, do you think the people that grow matcha do not profit from it? We have a matcha product and yes I do enjoy it... but according to your theory, why would you need to take the matcha if you are getting all antioxidants from your foods?

Supplements are just that.... a supplement to your daily diet.

They have their place.

[kissdadookie]

Matcha tea isnt a brand. Try thinking a bit the next time you make a post

Antioxidants are only part of the equation. You do realize that the density of micronutrients from fruits and vegetables have decline a lot and it's a good idea to supplement with a multi-v to fill in the gaps. Stuff is not supposed to replace food, it's used to fill in dietary gaps and if you think you don't have gaps in your diet, you are simply kidding yourself.

Maybe you would like to hail the magnificence of kale next. You know, that wonder green that is so chock full of calcium, beta carotene, and vitamin K which is all kind of silly since: 1) calcium is much better sourced from dairy 2) you honestly don't need much beta carotene, counter to popular belief, it doesn't really prevent cancer or disease unless you are talking about eye disease 3) oh that wonderful vitamin K1 in kale, one of the most useless vitamins since we actually need K2 much more than we need K1.

So yeah, you can look at purported super foods or argue that you can get all your micros from fruits and veggies but you would both need to eat a ridiculous amount of veggies as well as an unrealistic variety of them on the daily. Take your damn multi-v to fill in the gaps.

[Fbeckenbauer]

But a 2010 Blog post hosted on a disabled website says otherwise.

Yeah but what about the fact that by taking out phytochemicals you are taking out the purpose of the vitamins, I mean missing out on phytochemicals (non-essential nutrient responsible for the color and smell of plants, also lost during cooking) can cause all kinds of adverse effects to your body, like if you don't digest phytochemicals and close your eyes it will cause temporary blindness! Take your phytochemicals or you will be blind.

[De__eB]

Matcha tea isnt a brand. Try thinking a bit the next time you make a post

Any given vitamin or mineral isn't a brand either.

Try thinking a bit the next time you make a post.

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See: A green tea extract high in catechins reduces body fat and cardiovascular risks in humans.

Health Care Food Research Laboratories, Kao Corporation, 2-1-3, Bunka, Sumida-ku, Tokyo, 131-8501, Japan. nagao.tomonori@kao.co.jp

Kao to Launch Healthya® Green Tea Mellow Flavor for People Concerned about Body Fat: Tasty with Meals as Well

--

Ask yourself why would someone who isn't trying to sell something would spend money to perform and publish a study on it.

[jiggamanbill]

Antioxidants are only part of the equation. You do realize that the density of micronutrients from fruits and vegetables have decline a lot and it's a good idea to supplement with a multi-v to fill in the gaps. Stuff is not supposed to replace food, it's used to fill in dietary gaps and if you think you don't have gaps in your diet, you are simply kidding yourself.

Maybe you would like to hail the magnificence of kale next. You know, that wonder green that is so chock full of calcium, beta carotene, and vitamin K which is all kind of silly since: 1) calcium is much better sourced from dairy 2) you honestly don't need much beta carotene, counter to popular belief, it doesn't really prevent cancer or disease unless you are talking about eye disease 3) oh that wonderful vitamin K1 in kale, one of the most useless vitamins since we actually need K2 much more than we need K1.

So yeah, you can look at purported super foods or argue that you can get all your micros from fruits and veggies but you would both need to eat a ridiculous amount of veggies as well as an unrealistic variety of them on the daily. Take your damn multi-v to fill in the gaps.

agree with this...

lets not forget as well that the nutrients in the soil has been decreased as well... espeecially if you are buying your fruits / vegetables from a store.... only way to ensure you are getting nutrient rich soil, thus nutrient rich fruits / vegetables would be to grow your own, or buy from a family farmer that you know

[EPolis13]

Not a single person eats the quantity of vegetables and fruits that would be needed to fill micronutrient deficiencies, OP. I eat tons of fruits and veggies and I still fall short on some of the vitamins and minerals that I need during the day. You can't rely 100% on diet alone or supplementation alone - they work together, and this is how we usually advocate their use here.

[Danes]

The reason because i refuse to take a simple little pill that is supposed to contain all the essential vitamins and minerals you can get from fruits and vegetables, is that in the process of creating these products, they have to take away all the other things that make it serve any purpose to your body such as, Phytochemicals. The only people that advocate its usage, are the people making money off it. They claim this is a supplement with all essential vitamins, but that doesnt mean it works. I would suggest to anyone to take as little as possible of supplements of foods that we have a little understanding of. Don´t take antioxidant supplements either, just drink tea, Japanese matcha tea is great. Its 100% organic and has 125x more antioxidant potency than regular green tea.

Here´s an article about this:

blog.thrivefoods.net/2010/03/are-vitamins-scam.html

Djises.....

[danezcou3]

Any given vitamin or mineral isn't a brand either.

Try thinking a bit the next time you make a post.

I think you might have downs syndrome

[Valhallabound86]

What if I hate tea and refuse to eat anything 100% organic? Where are my antioxidants?

[Fbeckenbauer]

I think you might have downs syndrome

I think your Rep Power has down syndrome.

[danezcou3]

I think your Rep Power has down syndrome.

I don´t really care about my rep power, have done nothing wrong.

[Fbeckenbauer]

I don´t really care about my rep power, have done nothing wrong.

You just told another member you think he has downs syndrome...

[De__eB]

I think you might have downs syndrome

I don´t really care about my rep power, have done nothing wrong.

I think jesting about serious developmental disabilities makes you an irredeemable *******.

Negged.

Mad?

[danezcou3]

I think jesting about serious developmental disabilities makes you an irredeemable *******.

Negged.

Mad?

Not mad, i just think that its hard to take a person that would make comments such as yours; seriously, and its also hard to argue with a person that might potentially have downs syndrome, so i just gave out the reason for why i will not take your comments seriously in the future.

I have nothing against people with mental disabilities though, i just prefer to not engage in serious conversations or arguments with them.

[omaron91]

The reason because i refuse to take a simple little pill that is supposed to contain all the essential vitamins and minerals you can get from fruits and vegetables, is that in the process of creating these products, they have to take away all the other things that make it serve any purpose to your body such as, Phytochemicals. The only people that advocate its usage, are the people making money off it. They claim this is a supplement with all essential vitamins, but that doesnt mean it works. I would suggest to anyone to take as little as possible of supplements of foods that we have a little understanding of. Don´t take antioxidant supplements either, just drink tea, Japanese matcha tea is great. Its 100% organic and has 125x more antioxidant potency than regular green tea.

Here´s an article about this:

blog.thrivefoods.net/2010/03/are-vitamins-scam.html

april fools?

[De__eB]

Not mad, i just think that its hard to take a person that would make comments such as yours; seriously, and its also hard to argue with a person that might potentially have downs syndrome, so i just gave out the reason for why i will not take your comments seriously in the future.

I have nothing against people with mental disabilities though, i just prefer to not engage in serious conversations or arguments with them.

You never intended to have a serious conversation with anybody in this thread because you quite clearly haven't the foggiest clue what you're talking about.

[kissdadookie]

Not mad, i just think that its hard to take a person that would make comments such as yours; seriously, and its also hard to argue with a person that might potentially have downs syndrome, so i just gave out the reason for why i will not take your comments seriously in the future.

I have nothing against people with mental disabilities though, i just prefer to not engage in serious conversations or arguments with them.

How is your initial post, the original post of this thread, in any way shape or form to be taken seriously or considered to be fodder for serious conversations? Even the article you linked to doesn't point out that vitamins are scams and even implied that it's probably good insurance to add on top of a very healthy diet. On top of that, the article is a joke at least in reference to vegetables and fruits intake since it implies that 5 servings is anywhere near enough for us to get our requirements for vitamins and minerals. Also, no, the daily recommended values based on a 2000 calorie diet is complete nonsense. Those values were established many decades ago and are values found to be the minimum requirements to prevent certain diseases or malnutrition thus are in no way shape or form OPTIMAL intake values. You honestly think you can get all your micro needs from fruits and vegetables on a daily basis? Seriously? Unless you're a serious juicer, it's simply almost 110% certain that you are not getting optimal amounts of your daily micros.

[Creatineakg]

[danezcou3]

You never intended to have a serious conversation with anybody in this thread because you quite clearly haven't the foggiest clue what you're talking about.

I know i´m not exactly an expert in nutrition and i never claimed i was. I based my views on vitamin supplements purely on what i read in that article and some others, and i wanted to see what others thought about it. Did i ever argue that i was more right than anyone here regarding appropriate vitamin intake? No, i´m open to other opinions as well.

[De__eB]

I know i´m not exactly an expert in nutrition and i never claimed i was. I based my views on vitamin supplements purely on what i read in that article and some others, and i wanted to see what others thought about it. Did i ever argue that i was more right than anyone here regarding appropriate vitamin intake? No, i´m open to other opinions as well.

When you try to authoritatively state that 'Vitamin pills are a scam', citing a dated article that doesn't even end up drawing that conclusion, you're not here to discuss things.

When you make outright false statements such as 'matcha tea is 100% organic' (says who? what brand? is there only one source of matcha tea in the world?) you're not here to discuss things.

As to your original points in this thread:

-No, a multivitamin is not essential, if you eat a balanced diet you can meet the majority of your vitamin and mineral needs through food alone.
-Yes, a multivitamin is useful, for providing a daily consistency in your intake of vitamins and minerals that will likely not be met even in the most stringent of diets, as well as for allowing you to obsess less over hitting every single micro-ingredient need.
-Yes, a lot of multivitamins use inferior poorly bioavailable sources for their vitamins.

[danezcou3]

When you try to authoritatively state that 'Vitamin pills are a scam', citing a dated article that doesn't even end up drawing that conclusion, you're not here to discuss things.

When you make outright false statements such as 'matcha tea is 100% organic' (says who? what brand? is there only one source of matcha tea in the world?) you're not here to discuss things.

As to your original points in this thread:

-No, a multivitamin is not essential, if you eat a balanced diet you can meet the majority of your vitamin and mineral needs through food alone.
-Yes, a multivitamin is useful, for providing a daily consistency in your intake of vitamins and minerals that will likely not be met even in the most stringent of diets, as well as for allowing you to obsess less over hitting every single micro-ingredient need.
-Yes, a lot of multivitamins use inferior poorly bioavailable sources for their vitamins.

I wrote it like you mentioned, because if i make outright statements about things, people will be more motivated to tell me why i´m wrong, and thats actually what i am looking for. No need to be arrogant and sarcastic about it though like the first posts of this thread, because its completely uncalled for.

[kissdadookie]

I wrote it like you mentioned, because if i make outright statements about things, people will be more motivated to tell me why i´m wrong, and thats actually what i am looking for. No need to be arrogant and sarcastic about it though like the first posts of this thread, because its completely uncalled for.

The problem is that the blog post you linked to doesn't even actually agree with your point of view that vitamins are a scam. So the question here really is not if vitamins are a scam or not but if you even bothered to think before you commented on the topic or at least bothered to read through and understand what that blog post was trying to say.

[joregorn]

I think you might have downs syndrome

I know some one with Downs Syndrome. I hope your first child gets it.

[jejordan]

I think you might have downs syndrome

You're an idiot. Saying **** like this is disgusting. Karma is a bitch.

[rhadam]

I know i´m not exactly an expert in nutrition and i never claimed i was. I based my views on vitamin supplements purely on what i read in that article and some others, and i wanted to see what others thought about it. Did i ever argue that i was more right than anyone here regarding appropriate vitamin intake? No, i´m open to other opinions as well.

You read an article about a subject you otherwise know nothing about and you thought to make a defamatory post here on bodybuilding.com... and you thought it would go well? Strong irony calling other posters here mentally handicapped. Is it opposite day or something?