24/7 Customer Service 1-866-236-8417 Need Help? 1-866-236-8417

Reply
Results 1 to 14 of 14
  1. #1
    Registered User pre04's Avatar
    Join Date: May 2011
    Age: 29
    Posts: 73
    Rep Power: 54
    pre04 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) pre04 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) pre04 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) pre04 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) pre04 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) pre04 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) pre04 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) pre04 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) pre04 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) pre04 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) pre04 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0)
    pre04 is offline

    Barbell vs Trap Bar Deadlifts

    Is the trap bar deadlift essentially a mix between squats and regular deadlifts? The trap bar takes the stress off the spine, it seems, but isn't the point of deadlifts to target the lower back?

    On the other hand, if the trap bar deadlift allows you to lift the most wait, I can see why it would be beneficial.

    How do most people incorporate the trap bar into your deadlifting routine?
    Reply With Quote

  2. #2
    Registered User Alexandre76's Avatar
    Join Date: May 2006
    Age: 26
    Stats: 5'8", 170 lbs
    Posts: 2,642
    BodyPoints: 23811
    Rep Power: 221
    Alexandre76 will become famous soon enough. (+50) Alexandre76 will become famous soon enough. (+50) Alexandre76 will become famous soon enough. (+50) Alexandre76 will become famous soon enough. (+50) Alexandre76 will become famous soon enough. (+50) Alexandre76 will become famous soon enough. (+50) Alexandre76 will become famous soon enough. (+50) Alexandre76 will become famous soon enough. (+50) Alexandre76 will become famous soon enough. (+50) Alexandre76 will become famous soon enough. (+50) Alexandre76 will become famous soon enough. (+50)
    Visit Alexandre76's BodySpace
    Alexandre76 is offline
    I do trap bar deadlift first in my back day, i'm curious to know if there's really that big of a difference between the two when it comes to weight usage.
    Reply With Quote

  3. #3
    Encyclochuzzle chazzy1864's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2006
    Location: Lakeland, Florida, United States
    Age: 30
    Stats: 5'11", 190 lbs
    Posts: 54,248
    BodyPoints: 310
    Rep Power: 147109
    chazzy1864 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) chazzy1864 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) chazzy1864 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) chazzy1864 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) chazzy1864 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) chazzy1864 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) chazzy1864 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) chazzy1864 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) chazzy1864 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) chazzy1864 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) chazzy1864 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000)
    Visit chazzy1864's BodySpace
    chazzy1864 is offline
    Trap bar deadlift is more akin to a squat than conventional deadlift.
    -
    Alchemist of Alcohol
    -
    -
    Wow you're a 30 yr old phaggot fantasizing over an ugly stick. Lol. Measly negs just because you're pathetic. Lollll - velvetmudhole
    -
    -
    Journal: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=126418493
    Reply With Quote

  4. #4
    Registered User pre04's Avatar
    Join Date: May 2011
    Age: 29
    Posts: 73
    Rep Power: 54
    pre04 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) pre04 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) pre04 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) pre04 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) pre04 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) pre04 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) pre04 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) pre04 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) pre04 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) pre04 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) pre04 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0)
    pre04 is offline
    How much more can a person typically lift with the trap bar that straight bar?
    Reply With Quote

  5. #5
    Registered User k9pit's Avatar
    Join Date: Oct 2010
    Age: 36
    Stats: 5'11", 190 lbs
    Posts: 4,075
    Rep Power: 2862
    k9pit is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) k9pit is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) k9pit is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) k9pit is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) k9pit is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) k9pit is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) k9pit is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) k9pit is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) k9pit is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) k9pit is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) k9pit is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500)
    Visit k9pit's BodySpace
    k9pit is offline
    it's basically like performing a DB squat.
    Reply With Quote

  6. #6
    Registered User jgreystoke's Avatar
    Join Date: Jun 2007
    Age: 62
    Stats: 5'9", 215 lbs
    Posts: 10,390
    BodyPoints: 15762
    Rep Power: 13886
    jgreystoke is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) jgreystoke is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) jgreystoke is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) jgreystoke is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) jgreystoke is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) jgreystoke is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) jgreystoke is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) jgreystoke is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) jgreystoke is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) jgreystoke is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) jgreystoke is a splendid one to behold. (+10000)
    Visit jgreystoke's BodySpace
    jgreystoke is offline
    Originally Posted by k9pit View Post
    it's basically like performing a DB squat.
    This.

    But it is easier to load it heavy enough, since most gyms don't have very heavy DBs.
    Old Man Strength:

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=148519323&page=35

    Novices:

    Fierce 5:

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=159678631


    Beyond novice:

    Jim Wendler's 5 3 1(has bodybuilding templates):

    http://www.t-nation.com/workouts/531-how-to-build-pure-strength

    Would-be monsters:

    Wend'er's 5 3 1 Boring But Big Challenge:

    http://www.t-nation.com/workouts/boring-but-big-3-month-challenge
    Reply With Quote

  7. #7
    Registered User vborn's Avatar
    Join Date: Aug 2010
    Location: California, United States
    Age: 29
    Posts: 4
    Rep Power: 0
    vborn has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) vborn has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) vborn has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) vborn has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) vborn has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) vborn has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10)
    Visit vborn's BodySpace
    vborn is offline
    Originally Posted by pre04 View Post
    Is the trap bar deadlift essentially a mix between squats and regular deadlifts? The trap bar takes the stress off the spine, it seems, but isn't the point of deadlifts to target the lower back?

    On the other hand, if the trap bar deadlift allows you to lift the most wait, I can see why it would be beneficial.

    How do most people incorporate the trap bar into your deadlifting routine?
    I use the Trap-Bar Deadlift when I'm running more of a bodybuilder split and I can't have my lower back be sore for days. It hits my Quads harder than conventional, and doesn't seem to work the spinal muscles as well, so I wouldn't do Trap-Bar forever in place of conventional. There may be less Lats in Trap-Bar too, since you're not pressing the bar into yourself.
    Reply With Quote

  8. #8
    Registered User jgreystoke's Avatar
    Join Date: Jun 2007
    Age: 62
    Stats: 5'9", 215 lbs
    Posts: 10,390
    BodyPoints: 15762
    Rep Power: 13886
    jgreystoke is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) jgreystoke is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) jgreystoke is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) jgreystoke is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) jgreystoke is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) jgreystoke is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) jgreystoke is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) jgreystoke is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) jgreystoke is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) jgreystoke is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) jgreystoke is a splendid one to behold. (+10000)
    Visit jgreystoke's BodySpace
    jgreystoke is offline
    Originally Posted by pre04 View Post
    Is the trap bar deadlift essentially a mix between squats and regular deadlifts?
    Yes. It is a sort of squat like movement where you pull the bar from dead stop on the floor(hence deadlift).

    Originally Posted by pre04 View Post
    The trap bar takes the stress off the spine, it seems....
    Yes it does, uses less back, more leg drive.

    Originally Posted by pre04 View Post
    .... but isn't the point of deadlifts to target the lower back?
    No. The deadlift is not some isolation movement or specialized movement. To target low back strength and development:

    Hyperextensions, goodmornings(my favorite).

    It is a whole body movement that allows a human with normal skeleton to pull the maximum weight off the floor. The poundage potential is greater even than squat to parallel.



    Originally Posted by pre04 View Post
    On the other hand, if the trap bar deadlift allows you to lift the most wait, I can see why it would be beneficial.
    I don't know if it allows you to use more weight than conventional. But it sure feels easier than stiff leg dead for the same weight and reps.

    Originally Posted by pre04 View Post
    How do most people incorporate the trap bar into your deadlifting routine?
    Just started using it to replace SLDS in my 5 3 1 program(knee issues meant avoiding conventional deads for a long time).

    Some people use it to replace squats. Unless there is a compelling reason, that might not be a good idea.

    You can make TBD even more of a squat lift by doing deficit trap bar deads. Stand on a 3" platform of plates/plywood and off you go. Much more leg drive required.

    Modern trap bars are really cheap. But most of them now have two handle heights. The higher grip allows you to use a ton more weight,because of the reduced ROM. But it uses less leg. So it is like a low rack pull from below the knees, or a deadlift from boxes(the boxes being under the plates).
    Last edited by jgreystoke; 04-02-2013 at 01:26 PM.
    Old Man Strength:

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=148519323&page=35

    Novices:

    Fierce 5:

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=159678631


    Beyond novice:

    Jim Wendler's 5 3 1(has bodybuilding templates):

    http://www.t-nation.com/workouts/531-how-to-build-pure-strength

    Would-be monsters:

    Wend'er's 5 3 1 Boring But Big Challenge:

    http://www.t-nation.com/workouts/boring-but-big-3-month-challenge
    Reply With Quote

  9. #9
    Registered User Halfway's Avatar
    Join Date: May 2004
    Location: United States
    Stats: 5'11", 225 lbs
    Posts: 9,802
    BodyPoints: 1010
    Rep Power: 37567
    Halfway has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Halfway has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Halfway has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Halfway has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Halfway has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Halfway has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Halfway has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Halfway has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Halfway has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Halfway has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Halfway has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    Visit Halfway's BodySpace
    Halfway is offline
    when i used to do them I did them pretty much just like deadlifts with the back and PC lifting the weight. I don't understand this 'its like a squat' thing, but I guess it depends how you do the lift.

    its a great lift, alternate that, rack pulls and RDLs and you have it all covered BB-wise
    Reply With Quote

  10. #10
    www.ABFitnessTrainer.com italianplaya30's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2006
    Location: East Meadow, New York, United States
    Stats: 5'11", 190 lbs
    Posts: 3,603
    BodyPoints: 7612
    Rep Power: 2388
    italianplaya30 is just really nice. (+1000) italianplaya30 is just really nice. (+1000) italianplaya30 is just really nice. (+1000) italianplaya30 is just really nice. (+1000) italianplaya30 is just really nice. (+1000) italianplaya30 is just really nice. (+1000) italianplaya30 is just really nice. (+1000) italianplaya30 is just really nice. (+1000) italianplaya30 is just really nice. (+1000) italianplaya30 is just really nice. (+1000) italianplaya30 is just really nice. (+1000)
    Visit italianplaya30's BodySpace
    italianplaya30 is offline
    trap bar deadlifts mimic closely squats...i would say its good to interchange them
    All American EFX Rep

    Facebook: www.facebook.com/AllAmericanEFX
    Twitter: @AllAmericanEFX
    Instagram: @AAEFX

    http://www.aaefx.com

    My comments do not necessarily reflect the opinions of All American EFX and they are my own.
    Reply With Quote

  11. #11
    Registered User jgreystoke's Avatar
    Join Date: Jun 2007
    Age: 62
    Stats: 5'9", 215 lbs
    Posts: 10,390
    BodyPoints: 15762
    Rep Power: 13886
    jgreystoke is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) jgreystoke is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) jgreystoke is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) jgreystoke is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) jgreystoke is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) jgreystoke is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) jgreystoke is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) jgreystoke is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) jgreystoke is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) jgreystoke is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) jgreystoke is a splendid one to behold. (+10000)
    Visit jgreystoke's BodySpace
    jgreystoke is offline
    Originally Posted by Halfway View Post
    when i used to do them I did them pretty much just like deadlifts with the back and PC lifting the weight. I don't understand this 'its like a squat' thing, but I guess it depends how you do the lift.
    The most natural way to lift with you standing inside the bar is to squat the weight up with a more upright spine. Also the grips tend to be wider apart than your hand position for either conventional or sumo on a normal bar. That forces you to use more ROM, usually even more leg, less back.

    Originally Posted by Halfway View Post
    its a great lift, alternate that, rack pulls and RDLs and you have it all covered BB-wise
    That sounds about ideal combination.
    Old Man Strength:

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=148519323&page=35

    Novices:

    Fierce 5:

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=159678631


    Beyond novice:

    Jim Wendler's 5 3 1(has bodybuilding templates):

    http://www.t-nation.com/workouts/531-how-to-build-pure-strength

    Would-be monsters:

    Wend'er's 5 3 1 Boring But Big Challenge:

    http://www.t-nation.com/workouts/boring-but-big-3-month-challenge
    Reply With Quote

  12. #12
    Registered User Engineer_Guy's Avatar
    Join Date: Mar 2010
    Age: 28
    Stats: 6'0", 190 lbs
    Posts: 9,406
    Rep Power: 13542
    Engineer_Guy is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) Engineer_Guy is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) Engineer_Guy is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) Engineer_Guy is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) Engineer_Guy is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) Engineer_Guy is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) Engineer_Guy is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) Engineer_Guy is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) Engineer_Guy is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) Engineer_Guy is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) Engineer_Guy is a splendid one to behold. (+10000)
    Visit Engineer_Guy's BodySpace
    Engineer_Guy is offline
    Trap bar deadlift is basically a leg press with the bar in your hands. Not as good as a squat for leg development and not as good as a conventional deadlift for back development.
    Reply With Quote

  13. #13
    Registered User Halfway's Avatar
    Join Date: May 2004
    Location: United States
    Stats: 5'11", 225 lbs
    Posts: 9,802
    BodyPoints: 1010
    Rep Power: 37567
    Halfway has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Halfway has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Halfway has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Halfway has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Halfway has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Halfway has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Halfway has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Halfway has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Halfway has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Halfway has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Halfway has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    Visit Halfway's BodySpace
    Halfway is offline
    im sure my short legs and long torso affected my leverage, I did have a lot of forward lean when doing them especially with heavier weight.

    It's a lift I miss terribly, unfortunately it causes my piriformis syndrome to flare up massively even when done with light weight
    Reply With Quote

  14. #14
    Registered User KBKB's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2011
    Age: 53
    Posts: 8,421
    Rep Power: 29775
    KBKB has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) KBKB has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) KBKB has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) KBKB has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) KBKB has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) KBKB has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) KBKB has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) KBKB has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) KBKB has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) KBKB has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) KBKB has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    Visit KBKB's BodySpace
    KBKB is offline
    Originally Posted by pre04 View Post
    Is the trap bar deadlift essentially a mix between squats and regular deadlifts? The trap bar takes the stress off the spine, it seems, but isn't the point of deadlifts to target the lower back?
    I've been doing trap bar deadlifts with 25lb plates as a squat replacement. The smaller diameter plates provide for a greater range of motion. The same effect can be had wiith larger plates by standing on a platform.
    []---[] Equipment Crew #35 []---[]
    -!!!---!!!- No Excuses Homemade Equipment Crew #14 -!!!---!!!-
    Reply With Quote

Reply

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 1
    Last Post: 06-05-2012, 07:39 PM
  2. Hex/Trap Bar deadlifts
    By PrivateBaldrick in forum Powerlifting/Strongman
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 01-18-2008, 09:45 AM
  3. Trap Bar Deadlifts vs Straight Bar
    By jetzacker in forum Exercises
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 08-26-2006, 09:26 AM
  4. Trap bar deadlift vs straight bar
    By fabzmm in forum Teen Bodybuilding
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 06-29-2005, 06:38 PM
  5. TRAP BAR DEADLIFTS vs REGULAR FULL SQUATS
    By SOLITARYBEAST in forum Exercises
    Replies: 22
    Last Post: 06-22-2005, 05:07 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts