Question regarding Squat machine vs. Leg Press

[thegrifter]

Man up, ignore it or give it back. Just dont cry about it. Either way you should squat.

re-read my post. You just demonstrated the behavior I'm writing about. Your argument is invalid. Ultimately, I am ignoring this thread moving forward; clearly the conversation has choked itself on utter stupidity. Encouraging another person to behave respond to immature behavior with immaturity is simply ridiculous and reflects poorly on the forum community as a whole.

[Brackneyc]

re-read my post. You just demonstrated the behavior I'm writing about. Your argument is invalid. Ultimately, I am ignoring this thread moving forward; clearly the conversation has choked itself on utter stupidity. Encouraging another person to behave respond to immature behavior with immaturity is simply ridiculous and reflects poorly on the forum community as a whole.

He offered you three options.

[somedude999]

He offered you three options.

and did the thing he told him not to do...

[AAOBob]

Alas.

[Jetigen]

Hack squats are very hard on the knees so I dont understand why someone who 'cant' do regular squats could do them or a 45 degree leg press.

It depends on the position of your feet on the foot plate. The farther your feet relative to your torso, the less is pressure on your knees. I find doing squats on a Hack Squat machine to be FAR better for knees than Barbell Squats.

Read this:

1) For maximum safety when doing the hack squat, make sure your feet are placed slightly in front of
the body. If your feet are directly under your hips, it's extremely difficult to keep the heels in contact
with the base platform. In addition, the knees will move forward at an extreme angle, and if you go
especially deep, you will be literally pulling the knee-joint bones apart. This can cause a severe knee
injury.

When the feet are placed slightly in front of the trunk, the hack squat becomes an effective and easier variant than the free-weight squat.

Source: KinesPDFS, Kinesiology of Exercise Information Products Based on the Work of Dr. Michael Yessis
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=146689513

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Here is the video of David Henry addressing this issue. Based on this video I made a drawing and a custom foot plate for my hack machine.



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My drawing:



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Here is the modification of my Hack Squat machine. It now has a 35" by 35" foot plate as opposed to the stock 24" by 24":

[Flounderbout]

So to summarise this thread:

Noob: I'm a beginner. I think squats might be dangerous for me for some unspecific reasons which I will refuse to elaborate upon, so which should I use instead, machine a, or machine b?

Expert 1: Machine a and machine b are both more dangerous than squatting. You should squat properly instead using lighter weight and proper form.

Expert 2: Machine a and machine b are both more dangerous than squatting. You should squat properly instead using lighter weight and proper form.

Expert 3: Machine a and machine b are both more dangerous than squatting. You should squat properly instead using lighter weight and proper form.

Expert 4: Machine a and machine b are both more dangerous than squatting. You should squat properly instead using lighter weight and proper form.

Expert 5: Machine a and machine b are both more dangerous than squatting. You should squat properly instead using lighter weight and proper form.

Expert 6: Machine a and machine b are both more dangerous than squatting. You should squat properly instead using lighter weight and proper form.

Expert 7: Machine a and machine b are both more dangerous than squatting. If I was forced to choose a machine, probably machine a would be marginally better. But squats would be safer.

Noob: Yes, that is exactly what I thought. I will use machine a.

All experts: FFS, what part of our advice did you not understand?

Noob: Everything that did not agree with my already formed and ignorant view. Btw F you all.

All experts, everyone else: Fine. You are a dick.

Noob: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh!! You are all mean and immature and I hate you and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!

[drudixon]

So to summarise this thread:

Noob: I'm a beginner. I think squats might be dangerous for me for some unspecific reasons which I will refuse to elaborate upon, so which should I use instead, machine a, or machine b?

Expert 1: Machine a and machine b are both more dangerous than squatting. You should squat properly instead using lighter weight and proper form.

Expert 2: Machine a and machine b are both more dangerous than squatting. You should squat properly instead using lighter weight and proper form.

Expert 3: Machine a and machine b are both more dangerous than squatting. You should squat properly instead using lighter weight and proper form.

Expert 4: Machine a and machine b are both more dangerous than squatting. You should squat properly instead using lighter weight and proper form.

Expert 5: Machine a and machine b are both more dangerous than squatting. You should squat properly instead using lighter weight and proper form.

Expert 6: Machine a and machine b are both more dangerous than squatting. You should squat properly instead using lighter weight and proper form.

Expert 7: Machine a and machine b are both more dangerous than squatting. If I was forced to choose a machine, probably machine a would be marginally better. But squats would be safer.

Noob: Yes, that is exactly what I thought. I will use machine a.

All experts: FFS, what part of our advice did you not understand?

Noob: Everything that did not agree with my already formed and ignorant view. Btw F you all.

All experts, everyone else: Fine. You are a dick.

Noob: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh!! You are all mean and immature and I hate you and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!

Dead on summary. Repped.

[Corbi]

3 damn pages and we keep coming to the same conclusion, OP doesn't want to hear the truth.

[trymarine]

I've been doing diddley squat for four weeks now and no discernable change....so you're all FULLA $HIT!

[bulldogflx]

There are many different options if the squat just doesn't work for you......the squat machine will support your back, the leg press is good if your use proper form. I like the leg sled is which you move with the machine and your back is fully supported and you can go very deep.....
You are smart in training safely .....if you get hurt you won't be able to train at all .....good luck!

[IronCharles]

Ultimately, I am ignoring this thread moving forward; clearly the conversation has choked itself on utter stupidity. Encouraging another person to behave respond to immature behavior with immaturity is simply ridiculous and reflects poorly on the forum community as a whole.

Bummer. I would have suggested OP fill out a complaint form about his poor treatment, but alas, he's no longer with us.