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03-30-2013, 05:12 PM #301
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03-30-2013, 05:16 PM #302
Rounder does not mean more volume and again, the positioning, it's very important you take in count how you position the body. I really have nothing to add, I've given my explanation. We don't see it the same way and it's fine. Maybe if I put it that way, from a frontal view, you can see Kai's are rounder even though Phil's pop more. Kai covers more area than Phil but on a 3D view Phil has much more thickness. Do not forget, I said in that particular pose. Phil's delts are better and bigger than Kai's but not in that particular shot.
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03-30-2013, 05:20 PM #303
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03-30-2013, 05:27 PM #304
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Phil's are much thicker and have a pop to them, Kai's are more ''flat'' but have more of a...maybe the right word would be silhouette? And keep in mind they're not hitting the pose with same positioning.
If you look closely, Kai's rear delts are more apparent, it gives a better frontal view, but when you slightly change angles, you'll see that Phil has much more thickness.
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03-30-2013, 05:29 PM #305
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03-30-2013, 05:36 PM #306
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03-30-2013, 05:38 PM #307
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03-30-2013, 05:40 PM #308
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03-30-2013, 05:41 PM #309
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03-30-2013, 05:42 PM #310
What we have here is Roro clearly trolling you guys.
No one in their right mind would ever truly believe that Kai's delts are better than Phil's.Novice Athletic Tall winner and Overall Athletic winner
at the 2014 NABBA Waikato Champs.
"Or it could prove that IIFYM is a complete waste of time if you are a serious competitor." - KCTonyG 2014
From the mouths of bros.
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03-30-2013, 05:45 PM #311
You can't compare the body parts putting one over the other when they aren't in the same angle. The whole arm has to change position too.
Here is an easier way to explain what I mean, Kai covers more surface on frontal view.
I clearly stated, about 3 times that Phil's delts are better and bigger than Kai's.
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03-30-2013, 05:49 PM #312
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03-30-2013, 05:52 PM #313
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03-30-2013, 05:54 PM #314
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03-30-2013, 05:56 PM #315
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03-30-2013, 05:56 PM #316
Well, I wouldn't say they look "atrocious" next to Phil. At all.
Kai has mega delts, undeniably. But I would consider them to be one of Kai's weaker parts.
It's just that Phil probably has some of the best delts in the current ranks. When compared directly next to each other, it's clear that Kai's are somewhat of a weakness when judging the two.Novice Athletic Tall winner and Overall Athletic winner
at the 2014 NABBA Waikato Champs.
"Or it could prove that IIFYM is a complete waste of time if you are a serious competitor." - KCTonyG 2014
From the mouths of bros.
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03-30-2013, 05:56 PM #317
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03-30-2013, 05:57 PM #318
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03-30-2013, 06:00 PM #319
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03-30-2013, 06:01 PM #320
In all fairness, Roro is being pretty mature here.
Anyway, none of this matters any more because Game of Thrones airs tomorrow.Novice Athletic Tall winner and Overall Athletic winner
at the 2014 NABBA Waikato Champs.
"Or it could prove that IIFYM is a complete waste of time if you are a serious competitor." - KCTonyG 2014
From the mouths of bros.
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03-30-2013, 06:02 PM #321
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03-30-2013, 06:03 PM #322
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03-30-2013, 06:04 PM #323
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03-30-2013, 06:09 PM #324
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03-30-2013, 06:10 PM #325
Hahaha, I liked that comparison despite not being true. And I see why you may see that, I may portray biased Kai fan-boy traits but I am truly speaking from a neutral point of view.
There is no need to get fired up for an argument I believe.
Yes, the positioning is extremely important.
My intention wasn't to compare the MM, I was just going against the fact that you said Kai's delts look atrocious compared to Phil's, so I had to give out the strong points of Kai's delts in that particular pose where positioning has a lot to do with, in other words, why Kai's delt looked way behind Phil's according to you.
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03-30-2013, 06:10 PM #326
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03-30-2013, 06:20 PM #327
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03-30-2013, 06:20 PM #328
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The debate started being about the MM pose and who won it. To my position that Kai's delts look atrocious comparatively to Phil's(atrocious may be a tad harsh, but I think they are greatly overmatched in this pose), you stated Kai's delts looked bigger and rounder than Phil's which is where we started down the current path.
I'm a terrible nerd. Plus, I'd like to read the series before watching it. Always enjoy it better that way.
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03-30-2013, 06:22 PM #329
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03-30-2013, 06:26 PM #330
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Actually, I thought Phil was a tad fuller (making him look sharper) at finals...but Hany Rambod admitted in an interview that Phil was more filled up in the prejudging, but people aren't used to seeing him that full. He brought Phil a few pounds *lighter* in the finals, but his muscle is just *that* round that it made lots of people think he filled out.
I don't think either of them "killed" the other at prejudging or finals. It was close the whole time, but Phil put just enough distance between them at the finals to win. Personally, I think they could've tossed the coin to determine the winner, and I wouldn't have had a problem with it.
Also, I think people are overblowing Kai's flatness at the finals. Did he flatten out a bit? Yes, but there's no denying the absurdity of Kai's lats at the finals - feathered *literally* all the way from origin to insertion!
So what's that make you? Darth Maul or something? lol. Dude, come on....Kai's got rounder delts than Phil? No, not even close. Phil's delts walk all over Kai's
Put down the crack pipe.
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