****Official Minnesota Vikings Thread****

[ajdahlheimer]

draft is shaping up well considering positional need. all these players will likely be off the board by pick #14, and the vikings aren't going to be in the QB/WR/CB market in the draft anyways:

QB lawrence
QB wilson
QB fields
QB lance
WR chase
WR smith
WR waddle
CB horn
CB surtain
CB farley
T sewell
LB parsons
TE pitts

probably most likely looking at one of:

DE paye
DE rousseau
DT barmore

I wouldn't say CB is off the table for a pick at #14. Gladney was a bit of a disaster this year and Dantzler just looked okay at time. Don't really think we have anything in Boyd either. Maybe Harrison Hand.

Positional need is a moving target right now too, depending on who gets brought back. Anthony Harris, Barr, Reif, Rudolph, Wilson, etc.

[AMeyer9]

I wouldn't say CB is off the table for a pick at #14. Gladney was a bit of a disaster this year and Dantzler just looked okay at time. Don't really think we have anything in Boyd either. Maybe Harrison Hand.

That'd be the most Spielman/Zimmer pick ever

[ajdahlheimer]

That'd be the most Spielman/Zimmer pick ever

And hopefully their last pick ever.

[Berts]

That'd be the most Spielman/Zimmer pick ever

Yes it would, Please don't do that. Really hoping the Vikings can get a QB, Trey Lance maybe at 14 or trade down, get a 2nd back after that Yannick debacle and get a lower tier QB later in the 1st. From there OL, OL, OL, OL.

[ajdahlheimer]

Yes it would, Please don't do that. Really hoping the Vikings can get a QB, Trey Lance maybe at 14 or trade down, get a 2nd back after that Yannick debacle and get a lower tier QB later in the 1st. From there OL, OL, OL, OL.

People have been spouting this for what seems like forever. We've already invested 2nd round picks in O'Neil and Cleveland, and a 1st rounder in Bradbury. O'Neil was a good pick, Cleveland still TBD, and Bradbury looks like a miss. So there isn't really a point to constantly using high picks on OL when you clearly aren't the best at evaluating OL talent.

[Berts]

People have been spouting this for what seems like forever. We've already invested 2nd round picks in O'Neil and Cleveland, and a 1st rounder in Bradbury. O'Neil was a good pick, Cleveland still TBD, and Bradbury looks like a miss. So there isn't really a point to constantly using high picks on OL when you clearly aren't the best at evaluating OL talent.

I hear what you are saying but it still doesn't seem to be working. We were what, 26th or 28th ranked OL this year in pass protection. I will say some of this has to be put on the coaching staff. Our OL has been miserable since Zimmer took over. He does try but its not really working. Chit, The Browns grab OL guys off other people practice squad who played very well for 15 snaps without meeting the team before or any practices.

Kirk is the type of QB who can be pretty dam good but he needs a solid OL for it. I guess you could say that about any QB but seems more true with him since he has zero pocket presence and crumbles with any pressure.

[Madvillainy]

they better not take another fukkin corner. since spielman has been here, their picks in the first 2 rounds have been:

1st 2006: LB greenway
2nd 2006: CB griffin, C cook, QB jackson
1st 2007: RB peterson
2nd 2007: WR rice
2nd 2008: S johnson
1st 2009: WR harvin
2nd 2009: T loadholt
2nd 2010: CB cook, RB gerhart
1st 2011: QB ponder
2nd 2011: TE rudolph
1st 2012: T kalil, S smith
1st 2013: DT floyd, CB rhodes, WR patterson
1st 2014: LB barr, QB bridgewater
1st 2015: CB waynes
2nd 2015: LB kendricks
1st 2016: WR treadwell
2nd 2016: CB alexander
2nd 2017: RB cook
1st 2018: CB hughes
2nd 2018: T o'neill
1st 2019: C bradbury
2nd 2019: TE smith
1st 2020: WR jefferson, CB gladney
2nd 2020: T cleveland

out of 32 picks in the first 2 rounds since 2006:

QB: 3 (2 1st)
WR: 5 (4 1st)
RB: 3 (1 1st)
TE: 2 (0 1st)
T: 4 (1 1st)
C: 2 (1 1st)
G: 0

CB: 7 (4 1st)
S: 2 (1 1st)
LB: 3 (2 1st)
DT: 1 (1 1st)
DE: 0

so they've taken 1 D-lineman in the first 2 rounds in the last 15 drafts, and that was when they had 3 1st round picks that year.

[ajdahlheimer]

I hear what you are saying but it still doesn't seem to be working. We were what, 26th or 28th ranked OL this year in pass protection. I will say some of this has to be put on the coaching staff. Our OL has been miserable since Zimmer took over. He does try but its not really working. Chit, The Browns grab OL guys off other people practice squad who played very well for 15 snaps without meeting the team before or any practices.

Kirk is the type of QB who can be pretty dam good but he needs a solid OL for it. I guess you could say that about any QB but seems more true with him since he has zero pocket presence and crumbles with any pressure.

That is my point is that it is NOT working. There is no point in wasting high picks on OL, when we clearly can't identify top-end talent in the draft. So I hope they go defense in the first round.

[AMeyer9]

That is my point is that it is NOT working. There is no point in wasting high picks on OL, when we clearly can't identify top-end talent in the draft. So I hope they go defense in the first round.

You really don't need to use early picks on OL. Our two All-Pro lineman this year were taken in the 4th and 5th round

[Berts]

That is my point is that it is NOT working. There is no point in wasting high picks on OL, when we clearly can't identify top-end talent in the draft. So I hope they go defense in the first round.

I'm fine not wasting high picks on them. Ideally I want a QB in the 1st, we have no 2nd so go OL 3rd, 4th and 5th.

[AMeyer9]

I'm fine not wasting high picks on them. Ideally I want a QB in the 1st, we have no 2nd so go OL 3rd, 4th and 5th.

Just depends how things fall. I think there will be a run of QB's early this year so there might be slim pickins for QBs at 14

[ajdahlheimer]

You really don't need to use early picks on OL. Our two All-Pro lineman this year were taken in the 4th and 5th round

Exactly what I'm talking about. Your FO also identified a guy like Billy Turner as an affordable FA--who has been serviceable. That's another route the Vikings need to go.

[ajdahlheimer]

Just depends how things fall. I think there will be a run of QB's early this year so there might be slim pickins for QBs at 14

The irony is we'd be all done w/Kirk right now if we just would have kept him on that original contract and not gave him that subsequent extension. We'd have boat loads of cash to spend and would be in position to trade up for one of the QB's going before #14.

[GiveHerBills]

If there’s a blue-chip OL (preferably OT since Reiff is getting old) available @ 15 they’ll run to the podium. You can’t win in the NFL getting beat in the trenches.

Spielman will draft another CB, though. And then trade down a thousand times for 20 7th rounders that won’t make the roster.

Then our OL will rank bottom 5-10 again and we’ll get manhandled by any team with a good DL. Its the Spielman way, he’s been working on putting together a good OL for 8 years (literally his entire tenure as GM).

[Vikes723]

Those pleading for a QB... Realistically it most likely wont happen, its going to be an edge rusher or OL help and with how badly both the OL and Dline looked this year the front office pretty much has no choice. I dont mine the idea that if the jets move on from Darnold which they most likely will I like him as a back up or even Minshew, both came from absolutely horrid teams that were destined too fail no matter how they played. I like minshew a little more he definitely has an IT factor I like from him but Urban Meyer most likely wont see it that way Lawrence will be the face of that team now

[ajdahlheimer]

Bumping the lonely Vikes thread.

Hoping for either AVT or Paye at #14 today. In typical Viking fashion, their pick is just after most of the elite prospects should be taken.......

[Vikes723]

Bumping the lonely Vikes thread.

Hoping for either AVT or Paye at #14 today. In typical Viking fashion, their pick is just after most of the elite prospects should be taken.......

been a rumor mill that the vikings have been trying to get into the top 10... for what idk Denver could be a potential buyer since they most likely wont be drafting a QB and their is a relationship between Denver GM and Vikes GM

[ajdahlheimer]

been a rumor mill that the vikings have been trying to get into the top 10... for what idk Denver could be a potential buyer since they most likely wont be drafting a QB and their is a relationship between Denver GM and Vikes GM

Will be interesting if one of the Bama WR's falls as well. Imagine making Devonta Smith the slot guy next to AT and JJ........

[Berts]

Will be interesting if one of the Bama WR's falls as well. Imagine making Devonta Smith the slot guy next to AT and JJ........

If they can fix the OL, sure. The issue for me is Kirks stone feet. The guy needs a stud OL if we want to be serious playoff contenders.

[Vikes723]

Will be interesting if one of the Bama WR's falls as well. Imagine making Devonta Smith the slot guy next to AT and JJ........

I do and dont like it, the vikings offensive scheme is not ran around a 3 WR set its usually a 21 personal which is 2 WR, 2 RB's (or FB) and 1 TE which the vikings love to do. I honestly like the Best player avaiable approach but if they trade up somehow Rick and Zim are betting the house for a life changing player which in usual terms is a QB

[ajdahlheimer]

If they can fix the OL, sure. The issue for me is Kirks stone feet. The guy needs a stud OL if we want to be serious playoff contenders.

I've honestly given up on Spielman and company ever putting together a halfway decent OL. It's been terrible for 10+ years. Rather not waste the picks at this point.

[Berts]

I've honestly given up on Spielman and company ever putting together a halfway decent OL. It's been terrible for 10+ years. Rather not waste the picks at this point.

I agree, we can't evaluate OL at all. We need a mobile QB. Kirk have proven he isn't the guy unless you have a stud OL. I hope we move up and grab Trey Lance, sit him for a year, trade or cut Kirk next year and move on.

[Vikes723]

If they can fix the OL, sure. The issue for me is Kirks stone feet. The guy needs a stud OL if we want to be serious playoff contenders.

as abysmal the Oline has been at pass protection kirk took 39 sacks last year that was 12th worst in the league so to say its all him can be a stretch he has no pocket to step into even if his tackles were average at best if the interior O line was a stone wall he would take way less sacks and avoid them much more.

[ajdahlheimer]

I agree, we can't evaluate OL at all. We need a mobile QB. Kirk have proven he isn't the guy unless you have a stud OL. I hope we move up and grab Trey Lance, sit him for a year, trade or cut Kirk next year and move on.

I'd be down with that.

[Snakethejake83]

Not gonna lie, I was absolutely pissed when we traded out of 14 when AVT was on the board. I figured there was no way that Darrisaw would be there, and that we would end up taking another damn corner, or a Project DE. I am extremely happy with the move now and I think we got lucky as hell. Darrisaw is a great pick and is going to immediately be our starting LT. 4 3rds and 3 4th's gives us enough ammo to move up into the 2nd round to grab somebody we like.

I hope to god we can grab Landon Dickerson. He has All-Pro potential if he can square away those injuries, and we can finally have somebody on the interior that doesnt get pushed around.

[LukeS1]

I think you guys killed it honestly

To pick up those extra 3rds and still get Darrisaw is a great result, arguably the cleanest pass protection tackle in the draft

[Madvillainy]

Not gonna lie, I was absolutely pissed when we traded out of 14 when AVT was on the board. I figured there was no way that Darrisaw would be there, and that we would end up taking another damn corner, or a Project DE. I am extremely happy with the move now and I think we got lucky as hell. Darrisaw is a great pick and is going to immediately be our starting LT. 4 3rds and 3 4th's gives us enough ammo to move up into the 2nd round to grab somebody we like.

I hope to god we can grab Landon Dickerson. He has All-Pro potential if he can square away those injuries, and we can finally have somebody on the interior that doesnt get pushed around.

same. i preferred AVT because moving him inside isn't the worst thing in this offense, but that was based on need, i thought they could grab him trading down (even though that didn't come to fruition). improving mid round picks (that i hope they use to jump into the 2nd) and getting darrisaw is a massive win. would have been a good pick at 14.

vikings drafts always look amazing night 1 though, they always seem to be in on the guys that the media is high on, so it gives the impression that they always have amazing drafts.

[ajdahlheimer]

same. i preferred AVT because moving him inside isn't the worst thing in this offense, but that was based on need, i thought they could grab him trading down (even though that didn't come to fruition). improving mid round picks (that i hope they use to jump into the 2nd) and getting darrisaw is a massive win. would have been a good pick at 14.

vikings drafts always look amazing night 1 though, they always seem to be in on the guys that the media is high on, so it gives the impression that they always have amazing drafts.

This. I saw several mocks with us getting him there. To get him 9 picks later is huge.

My hope now is we move into the EARLY 2nd round now. Then go BPA.

[Vikes723]

This. I saw several mocks with us getting him there. To get him 9 picks later is huge.

My hope now is we move into the EARLY 2nd round now. Then go BPA.

you have to assume Rick did his homework on what teams wanted what between the 14th and 23rd pick and sheesh, nailed it. This is the 4 consecutive OL pick in the 1st or 2nd round in the draft so Rick does try to address the Line but sadly he just hasn't hit on the right one. Oneil right now looks like his best pick so far Cleveland is still up in the air

[ajdahlheimer]

you have to assume Rick did his homework on what teams wanted what between the 14th and 23rd pick and sheesh, nailed it. This is the 4 consecutive OL pick in the 1st or 2nd round in the draft so Rick does try to address the Line but sadly he just hasn't hit on the right one. Oneil right now looks like his best pick so far Cleveland is still up in the air

I think Spielman also came in with the mindset of undoing the damage of the Ngakoue mishap as well i.e move back into the 2nd round. Currently have 4 3rd's, 3 4th's, and 2 5th's---so it is gonna happen just for the fact you can only have so many players on your roster. Personally, I hope we can get a pick in the low 40's.....