Why does the USA love Guns but the UK hates them?

[scullin]

Correct. An "AR15" is not an assault rifle.

And the one used in Newtown Connecticut wasn't even an "assault weapon" as defined by the government, because it was purchased legally and Connecticut has two "assault weapons" bans.

Cliffs:
An assault rifile must meet these conditions:

1. Selective fire capability (both semi and full auto in one weapon)

2. Intermediate caliber (normally a shorter cartridge around 35-45 mm long case this began with the 7.92 kurtz Kurtz means short in the STG 44 the first assault rifle)

3. Detachable magazine with 20 or more round capablilty.

the ar15 is NOT an assualt rifle the M16 is an assualt rifle see rule #1

Although there are some that are trying to change the definition of an assault rifile in order to ban AR15's; which is really a political move.



Anyone have the cliffs on British guns laws? I know there are some people with guns in the UK, mostly for hunting I asssume.

[Farley1324]

Nope, several studies on it.

And every single one is somewhere between deceptive and intentionally misleading with a false "result", and an outright lie.

If you believe one that shows that is accurate then please, by all means, link that ****. Let's see its methods and its data.


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[Farley1324]

Anyone have the cliffs on British guns laws? I know there are some people with guns in the UK, mostly for hunting I asssume.

Even air guns/pellet rifles are strictly controlled, require permits, and have power limits and safe storage laws (srs)

[BruceBruce325]

in this thread a lot of foreign ruhtards acting like they know anything about gun culture in the states

[Vexidi]

even air guns/pellet rifles are strictly controlled, require permits, and have power limits and safe storage laws (srs)

lol!!

[userofpeace1111]

One huge difference in the UK and the US is population density. I think that the UK would be more gun-friendly if they had more rural areas like the US. People living in rural areas tend to be more supportive of gun rights. I can confirm, I am rural person

[Cablebob]

Even air guns/pellet rifles are strictly controlled, require permits, and have power limits and safe storage laws (srs)

My nine year old has a semi-auto CO2 powered pistol that shoots 480 FPS.

Edit: Murica!!

[Vexidi]

My nine year old has a semi-auto CO2 powered pistol that shoots 480 FPS.
Edit: Murica!!

Same here for my 8 year old. Baby Desert Eagle 420fps.

[FitStick]

No sir - MANY children are murdered in your country. All the time.

Nah, bro. UK is a utopia where things like that don't happen.



The upside of the UK's strict gun laws... They have some excellent media on the subject of air guns, which I love too. Too bad even their BB guns are illegal if they shoot harder than 12ft./lbs.

[BrocepCurls]

No sir - MANY children are murdered in your country. All the time.

Well definitely not as many as the US, since your murder rate is 4x that of ours...

[Rockchalk0420]

I've never understood.

The cultures are so similar in many ways, why is there such a deep divide regarding defensive tools?

America and Australia are more similar culturally speaking than the US and the UK are.

[joecam18]

Well definitely not as many as the US, since your murder rate is 4x that of ours...

UKviolentcrimerate/thread

[Mr310]

Let's get some facts straight.


The majority of firearms used in homicides in the United States are cheap handguns. Not rifles, not shotguns, and certainly not sporterized rifles.

The homicides that these guns are used in are usually people of color on people of color and low income individuals. The guns are a tool.

To truly fix the problem of homicides in the United States, one needs to look at why these people are doing it and how to give them greater opportunities so that they don't have to resort to getting in "the game" where you love by the gun and die by the gun.


As for the place of guns in this country...


They're not for hunting or shooting at paper or clay targets. We are afforded the right to bear arms to defend ourselves, the citizenry of the United States, from tyranny.


Tyranny isn't the President going off the rails and declaring martial law. Tyranny is being gay in Laramie, Wyoming, or being black in Jasper, Texas.



As said before, they are an equalizer, and they provide those who would otherwise be oppressed to defend themselves from tyranny.

[R3L3NTL3SS]

Well definitely not as many as the US, since your murder rate is 4x that of ours...

And where we have about ~6 times your population?

S T R O N G G G G G math, bro!!!

I bet villages in 3rd world countries of only 500 person population only have about 10 murders/year. Guess they're winning, eh??

[hutch1999]

Nice schools bro, bet your children feel safe. Bet their parents are glad they can have weapons in their house when their child has a bullet in their head because an american woke up and didn't have any poptarts so killed some kids to make him feel better.

talk to you in about 24 hours homie...

I've got redneck American things to go do. Kill and eat innocent animals, drive a vehicle bigger than a refrigerator box, play some Foreigner/Styx/Bob Seger too loud, enjoy not having a neighbor within 1 mile, play with fireworks, engage in mutual combat, and....



shoot some guns




Americans gonna America

[BruceBruce325]

Well definitely not as many as the US, since your murder rate is 4x that of ours...

and yet your violent crime rate is higher

wonder why that is

isn't uk the most violent in the EU

[Lightbulbs]

And where we have about ~6 times your population?

S T R O N G G G G G math, bro!!!

I bet villages in 3rd world countries of only 500 person population only have about 10 murders/year. Guess they're winning, eh??

(Discussion of murder rate is also stupid, given the UK violent crime rate, but not quite as stupid as this guy).

[BrocepCurls]

UKviolentcrimerate/thread

Well over half of the UK's "violent crime" results in no injury to the victim, whereas in America 100% of it does, due to differing definitions. U mad?

And where we have about ~6 times your population?

S T R O N G G G G G math, bro!!!

I bet villages in 3rd world countries of only 500 person population only have about 10 murders/year. Guess they're winning, eh??

Murder RATE you uneducated hillbilly fck. I genuinely hope these threads attract the bottom 10% of you and this is not how dumb you all actually are

[Farley1324]

Nope, several studies on it.

And every single one is somewhere between deceptive and intentionally misleading with a false "result", and an outright lie.

If you believe one that shows that is accurate then please, by all means, link that ****. Let's see its methods and its data.


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[R3L3NTL3SS]

(Discussion of murder rate is also stupid, given the UK violent crime rate, but not quite as stupid as this guy).

No need to be upset that you live in a chit country.

[Lightbulbs]

And every single one is somewhere between deceptive and intentionally misleading with a false "result", and an outright lie.

If you believe one that shows that is accurate then please, by all means, link that ****. Let's see its methods and its data.


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You're going to be here a long time bro, feel free to neg me into oblivion but the fact of the matter is that I'm not spending my Wednesday evening compiling a reference list. Perhaps another day, perhaps another argument. Kellermann's study was awful, but even Klick left room for the truthful nature of my statement. Regardless, as I've already stated, the result of the study doesn't prove anything (see comparison to bread knives and shower curtains, it just dispels the myth that by owning a gun you are automatically safer. YOLO.

[Farley1324]

You're going to be here a long time bro, feel free to neg me into oblivion but the fact of the matter is that I'm not spending my Wednesday evening compiling a reference list. YOLO.

Translation: You were and are full of shit, and you know it.

Don't worry, we already knew that, too.

But it's pretty nice when you admit it.

[BruceBruce325]

[BrocepCurls]

This was already disproved at the beginning of this very thread, clearly this Benn Swann guy is as dumb as the rest of you

BRB Uk has more violent crime than SOUTH AFRICA. LOOKS LEGIT BRO.

[R3L3NTL3SS]

If you guys can accomplish these crime rates WITHOUT guns, it's probably good that you can't have them.

http://politicaloutcast.com/2013/01/...united-states/


" It gets worse. “Overall, 5.4 million crimes were recorded in the UK in 2007 — more than 10 a minute — second only to Sweden. . . . It means there are over 2,000 crimes recorded per 100,000 population in the UK, making it the most violent place in Europe.”

Great Britain’s crime rate is nearly four times that of the United States. “By comparison, America has an estimated rate of 466 violent crimes per 100,000 population.” "

[4ea]

Really, stabbing? Are you that much of a fuking clown you are gonna compare an assault rifle to a knife? Jesus, I thought you yanks were stupid but I didn't realise you were fuking brain dead.

you just dont get it do you?

the point being made here is ban one type of weapon, the crazy people will just find and use another type of weapon. i said it before and il say it again...

homicide has been around alot longer than guns have

[Ronnie87]

and yet your violent crime rate is higher

wonder why that is

isn't uk the most violent in the EU

Are you that stupid mate? Haven't you seen that same argument regurgitated time and time again? Haven't you been told time and time again violent crime is measured completely differently here than in the US?


I'll do your research for you.

"United Kingdom
Includes all violence against the person, sexual offences, and robbery as violent crime."

"United States
The Federal Bureau of Investigation's Uniform Crime Report (FBI UCR) counts four categories of crime as violent crimes: murder and non-negligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault."

Can you see why they're not comparable now?

[Lewwwww]

No need to be upset that you live in a chit country.

It is pretty crappy here... Do we even sun?

Don't really care about gun laws in the UK though, if guns were legal i'd probably have one to shoot at a range and that's about it. Guess we can kind of do that with shotguns + clay pigeons already but eh.

[Dude.Jon]

[Lightbulbs]

Translation: You were and are full of shit, and you know it.

Don't worry, we already knew that, too.

But it's pretty nice when you admit it.

See the edit, provided at least the base for my knowledge (or whatever you'd call it). Klick to a large extent, I think the University of Philadelphia did something on it recently. I'm just not going to sit here trawling through Wiley and Rutgers to put together a reference list.