Agmatine

[davece]

Is it safe to take Agmatine if you suffer from the odd coldsore?

[Danes]

Is it safe to take Agmatine if you suffer from the odd coldsore?

it can provoke new incidences, but it can be avoided by taking the amino acid l-lysine at a different time of day, take 1 to 3 grams at day

[davece]

it can provoke new incidences, but it can be avoided by taking the amino acid l-lysine at a different time of day, take 1 to 3 grams at day

Thanks. I already take 2 grams Lysine a day. How should the doses of Agmatine and Lysine be space out?

[Danes]

Thanks. I already take 2 grams Lysine a day. How should the doses of Agmatine and Lysine be space out?

on workout days,take agmatine 30 min before workout, non workout days in the morning .
Lysine,you can spread as you want

[cumminslifter]

it can provoke new incidences, but it can be avoided by taking the amino acid l-lysine at a different time of day, take 1 to 3 grams at day

i know this is an old thread, but do you have any info on this danes?
i know arginine and citrulline are no goes for cold sore sufferer, but from my research i thought agamatine worked in a different pathway that would not stimulate cold sores.

[cumminslifter]

anyone have any info? i have never found a direct answer on this topic before

[cumminslifter]

still no one

[cumminslifter]

really?

[beameupscotty]

really?

Looked for the past hour... found nothing other than a medical journal saying that an Agmatine containing PAA showed antiviral properties towards herpes...

http://aac.asm.org/content/58/10/6315.short

if this helps anything.

[cumminslifter]

Looked for the past hour... found nothing other than a medical journal saying that an Agmatine containing PAA showed antiviral properties towards herpes...

http://aac.asm.org/content/58/10/6315.short

if this helps anything.

will read now, repped. thank you sir

[DGarcia519]

i know this is an old thread, but do you have any info on this danes?
i know arginine and citrulline are no goes for cold sore sufferer, but from my research i thought agamatine worked in a different pathway that would not stimulate cold sores.

I've never heard this before. Any info? I ask because citrulline is one of my favorite supplements, but I have had cold sores in the past, though I very rarely have a breakout - less then once a year. If I break out, should I avoid citrulline until it passes?

Looked for the past hour... found nothing other than a medical journal saying that an Agmatine containing PAA showed antiviral properties towards herpes...

http://aac.asm.org/content/58/10/6315.short

if this helps anything.

Link sounds interesting. Will look into this. Especially since I found a cheap source of agmatine

[cumminslifter]

I've never heard this before. Any info? I ask because citrulline is one of my favorite supplements, but I have had cold sores in the past, though I very rarely have a breakout - less then once a year. If I break out, should I avoid citrulline until it passes?

Link sounds interesting. Will look into this. Especially since I found a cheap source of agmatine

are you asking in regards to citrulline? well citrulline raises arginine levels in the body

[allieninja]

Why not just supplement with whatever you want, and up your intake of lysine?

[cumminslifter]

Why not just supplement with whatever you want, and up your intake of lysine?

doesnt work that way

[DGarcia519]

are you asking in regards to citrulline? well citrulline raises arginine levels in the body

Yeah, so is it the arginine that has a negative effect on cold sores? I've never heard of any supplements effecting them, that's why I'm curious.

[cumminslifter]

Yeah, so is it the arginine that has a negative effect on cold sores? I've never heard of any supplements effecting them, that's why I'm curious.

you havent done any searching have you? arginine is THE #1 thing to cause an outbreak
do a google search about cold sores

[allieninja]

doesnt work that way

Anecdotal evidence tells me otherwise

[DGarcia519]

you havent done any searching have you? arginine is THE #1 thing to cause an outbreak
do a google search about cold sores

Nope. This thread was the first time I'd ever heard about it. Well, I was using 4.5g citrulline 3-4x week for awhile and had no issues. I've never taken arginine directly. I'll keep it in mind if I ever have an outbreak, or it one happens while taking citrulline - stuff is just too good pwo to give up unless I absolutely have too. Thanks for the info though.

Edit: That all said, if I had to choose between the two (Agmatine and citrulline) so as to lower my risk of an outbreak, I'd go with citrulline. Guess I'll have to pass on that agmatine.

[cumminslifter]

Nope. This thread was the first time I'd ever heard about it. Well, I was using 4.5g citrulline 3-4x week for awhile and had no issues. I've never taken arginine directly. I'll keep it in mind if I ever have an outbreak, or it one happens while taking citrulline - stuff is just too good pwo to give up unless I absolutely have too. Thanks for the info though.

Edit: That all said, if I had to choose between the two (Agmatine and citrulline) so as to lower my risk of an outbreak, I'd go with citrulline. Guess I'll have to pass on that agmatine.

what? no. citrulline would be even worse than arginine. agmatine (as far as my research and research of others) has no effect on outbreaks

[mjkfan]

For what this is worth, I have spent a lot of time in the past avoiding citrulline and those types of things being a cold sore sufferer. A while back, i finally stopped caring and started trying all the pwos I've always wanted to try but was always too afraid to (hemavol, ritual, and now katana, for instance) even going as far as to regularly 1.5-2 scoop them when appropriate.

Long story short is that I have not noticed a difference in outbreak frequencies one way or another- then again I have since implemented an eating routine that provides me with good sources of lysine throughout the day (primarily from milk, kefir, Greek yogurt- protein-rich dairy sources really) which- proven or not, I believe may very well be beneficial.

Other genuine triggers (fyi) are stress, over exhaustion, and a weakened immune system. So, don't stress out, get your rest, and stay healthy!

[DGarcia519]

what? no. citrulline would be even worse than arginine. agmatine (as far as my research and research of others) has no effect on outbreaks

Fair enough; but why would citrulline be worse then directly using aginine?. I'm not a huge fan of agmatine either way from what I've seen, but it's good to know. As I said, I've used citrulline in the past for an extended period with no issues. I know I can get them (cold sores), but I can't remember the last time I had an outbreak. If I get more l-cit or cit-mal I'll watch and see if it happens. If I notice I am getting them more, I'll cut back and see how I react.

[cumminslifter]

Fair enough; but why would citrulline be worse then directly using aginine?. I'm not a huge fan of agmatine either way from what I've seen, but it's good to know. As I said, I've used citrulline in the past for an extended period with no issues. I know I can get them (cold sores), but I can't remember the last time I had an outbreak. If I get more l-cit or cit-mal I'll watch and see if it happens. If I notice I am getting them more, I'll cut back and see how I react.

as i said earlier citrulline raises arginine levels in the body than take arginine itself. If you do not get them often then you are just not a susceptible to them as some

[DGarcia519]

as i said earlier citrulline raises arginine levels in the body than take arginine itself. If you do not get them often then you are just not a susceptible to them as some

Yeah I forgot that fact about citrulline. I did do a brief search and from what I read it seems to be a bigger issue for people who are more susceptible. As i said, I don't remember the last time I got one so I'm hoping I don't have much to worry about if I keep citrulline intake to <4g on workout days only (3-4x week). Thanks for the feedback.

[Blacklac]

Nitrates ftw?

[cumminslifter]

Nitrates ftw?

always but agmatine has many benefits that nitrates do not