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    Originally Posted by jamez123 View Post
    I haven't seen a worse display of fear and cowardliness to engage since Kaleb Starnes.
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    this particular fight being super lame definitely falls on both fighters, hendo was very hesitant to go for broke, looked like he was goin through the motions at certain points
    but machidas track record and overall attitude towards his fighting style and the sport of mma makes it very hard to get behind him


    bad biz stradegy to throw lyoto in a title fight now, def should fight gus-mousasi winner for belt challenger
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    Machida is a point fighter... he isn't even a great counter fighter, if you take away his gift of timing. Have you ever watched a great boxer who is good at counter fighting? They throw combinations, chain their strikes and movements. Not just hit then move immediately ala machida.
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    Being a counter puncher in MMA is hard. It's not like boxing where the guys remain relatively up close and bow/weave/sidestep. In MMA there are many other factors like kicks, take downs, submissions, a bigger ring, that make staying up close not a great option. Whose going to stay up close and try and dodge punches, avoid getting taken down by an amazing greco roman wrestler and a guy with great knockout power? Especially when Machida is an experience karate fighter who is well training in kicks and distance/timing.

    I am no expert or elitist, but I would rather see multiple fight styles in the UFC then relatively similar "MMA" training which is growing more popular.
    In UFC most are either boxers, wrestlers, jiujitsu experts, or some combination of them. Machida is one of the few who is primarily Shotokan karate fighters whose style is relatively different then your average fighter.

    That's just the reality and beauty of fighting when you take fighters from different backgrounds. It is what MMA was founded on. You didn't really have MMA gyms, you had jiujitsu dojos, boxing camps, karate dojos, judo camps etc. Now that is changing, as more places are offering "MMA training". That is what fans want to see.

    I can understand if you do not appreciate Machida's style because not everyone has to like it, but you (Hendo) should have been prepared to face it. A fight shouldn't be about a knockout, submission, etc it should be about who controls the fight. Unfortunately people just want the flash which is why they do not like seeing these types of fights.

    Was Machida scared to trade with Hendo? Yes, most likely. Yet he is a smart skilled fighter who controlled the match.
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    Any new tweets since this morning? I'd love to here Chris Leben's take on this
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    Lol Dan Henderson is butthurt, "he didn't let me hit him, now I'm pissed"


    Lyoto didn't let Dan hit him with his H Bomb, Dan refused to give Lyoto anything to counterstrike from, the overhand is something that needs to be evaded and its hard to counter, which is why Dan decided to use it. Its Dans fault more than anyone elses. You can't be mad at a guy for not fighting, that you tried to neutralise, that you tried to give 0 openings to. Its so backwards. Also this is MIXED martial arts, so why is it shocking when someone fights like its a Shotokan Kumite, I don't see people whining about boxers boxing, wrestlers wrestling, bjj guys doing bjj, or any other discipline. Lyoto dealt damage against someone who's whole gameplan was to not engage fully. I'm sorry but a leg kick and an overhand x 350 is not exactly "bringing it". If Dan wanted a fight he should done his homework like Shogun did and worked on some skills and a gameplan. Not just the same old 1 trick pony.
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    Originally Posted by Deathstroke View Post
    Any new tweets since this morning? I'd love to here Chris Leben's take on this
    His last fight was worse than this one so he has no room to talk.

    Also, just noticed that Brunson criticized this fight. Lmao.
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    Originally Posted by ftwrestler View Post
    oh please he neutralized hendo, and did plenty of damage. Should have been unanimous
    This. Hendo landed a couple of leg kicks, Machida landed many kicks punches and knees and a takedown.

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    Originally Posted by jamez123 View Post
    1. Lately Machida had been much less boring and had changed from a track star to a fighter.
    2. Dan's game plan was to slow his running down with leg kicks.. obviously that didn't work as he continued running more than ever.
    3. In the 3rd Dan quit chasing him and all Machida did was stand there, flapping his arms and hands around like he was trying to fly. I haven't seen a worse display of fear and cowardliness to engage since Kaleb Starnes.
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    it's like people have never seen machito fight before.. the bader fight was exactly the same up until bader got KO'd, machito barely did a thing.
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    Originally Posted by safi connection View Post
    it's like people have never seen machito fight before.. the bader fight was exactly the same up until bader got KO'd, machito barely did a thing.
    You mean Bader barely did a thing. Chida dominated Bader like he was some rubbish amateur.
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    I'm not a big fan of either fighter, but I thought the fight was an interesting chess-match, albeit one I wouldn't recommend to friends who are new to the sport and looking for a good fight to watch.

    Worst fight of the night was Brendan Schaub versus Lavar Johnson; I got so bored of watching Schaub lay and pray (did he even land a single hit in round 2?) that I switched over to Prizefighter: The Heavyweights and watched boxing for a while.
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    Originally Posted by dimethylmercury View Post
    I'm not a big fan of either fighter, but I thought the fight was an interesting chess-match, albeit one I wouldn't recommend to friends who are new to the sport and looking for a good fight to watch.

    Worst fight of the night was Brendan Schaub versus Lavar Johnson; I got so bored of watching Schaub lay and pray (did he even land a single hit in round 2?) that I switched over to Prizefighter: The Heavyweights and watched boxing for a while.
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    I really liked the fight. I guess I'm a pretend fan / elitist poseur now.

    Everyone knows Machida's gameplan - he's a counter-puncher that moves around a lot and has good control from the clinch. You want to blame someone for the fight not being competitive, blame Hendo - what was his strategy? Throw the big slow right hand 5 or 6 times and pray for a miracle? Machida beat Hendo on the feet pretty easily, and even in the clinch for god sake. He has to get some credit for that - not too many people toss an Olympic wrestler around like a rag doll. I had 1st and 3rd round to Machida easily, 2nd round was debatable due to not much action. 29-28 Machida.
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    Originally Posted by ftwrestler View Post
    oh please he neutralized hendo, and did plenty of damage. Should have been unanimous
    the fact that he pulled that trip take down putting hendo flat on his back said enough for me....

    Machida really made hendo look bad.. hendo with those lame kick attempts, lookin like a cowboy kickin up dust.. wtf!

    Horrible fight though. Machida should land more but at the same time the other guys gotta work on their timing and foot speed.. plotting after him slowly ain't gettin it done.
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    Originally Posted by ArizonaEli View Post
    I really liked the fight. I guess I'm a pretend fan / elitist poseur now.

    Everyone knows Machida's gameplan - he's a counter-puncher that moves around a lot and has good control from the clinch. You want to blame someone for the fight not being competitive, blame Hendo - what was his strategy? Throw the big slow right hand 5 or 6 times and pray for a miracle? Machida beat Hendo on the feet pretty easily, and even in the clinch for god sake. He has to get some credit for that - not too many people toss an Olympic wrestler around like a rag doll. I had 1st and 3rd round to Machida easily, 2nd round was debatable due to not much action. 29-28 Machida.
    Basically this.. Hendo really didn't do much.. he's so slow...

    the other fight that pissed me off was Schaub... this whole fighting style of taking a guy down because he's too dangerous on their feet is pathetic. Going for takedowns to AVOID someones better striking doesn't make you a better fighter... taking someone down to finish them does... so frustrating.
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    Originally Posted by ArizonaEli View Post
    Everyone knows Machida's gameplan - he's a counter-puncher that runs away a lot
    fixed.

    Originally Posted by ArizonaEli View Post
    You want to blame someone for the fight not being competitive, blame Hendo - what was his strategy? Throw the big slow right hand 5 or 6 times and pray for a miracle?
    Hendo went running right towards machida nearly the entire fight and every time machida hit him once and then ran. Machida has absolutely zero strategy when guys aren't running directly at him. Did you watch round 3? The second dan stopped moving forward machida had no idea what to do. He stood there for 3 minutes flapping his hands around like he was a fucking bird.
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    The fact that people are talking again about Fraudley making another title run just goes to show how completely bereft of talent the heavyweight division is in boxing.
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    Originally Posted by Darkhare View Post
    the other fight that pissed me off was Schaub... this whole fighting style of taking a guy down because he's too dangerous on their feet is pathetic. Going for takedowns to AVOID someones better striking doesn't make you a better fighter... taking someone down to finish them does... so frustrating.
    Tell that to the WW champ.
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    In pre fight interviews, people were having a go at machida saying "why is it your getting hit so much recently, compared to your early days". I'm sure that effected him.

    The fight deserved 5 rounds, I think it would have picked up. As soon as dan started becoming frustrated machida started going for it.

    I think Machida/Jones 2 will be a lot better!
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    Originally Posted by VANZFINEST View Post

    Picture this..hendo fighting the same way as machida..which was pretty much hendos gameplan. BUT machida is better at being a jewish safe boring counter puncher.
    What does the bolded text mean?
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    Originally Posted by sloop View Post
    What does the bolded text mean?
    He must mean he is a boring fighter that sticks to a kosher diet.
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    Originally Posted by dimethylmercury View Post
    The fact that people are talking again about Fraudley making another title run just goes to show how completely bereft of talent the heavyweight division is in boxing.
    Refer to Audley as Fraudley once more and you and I will be having a falling out.
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    Originally Posted by John L View Post
    It wasn't a blowout but machida clearly won. The judge who scored it for Henderosn was probably Cecil Peoples.

    And in response to your other post, machida just beat the ufcs top ranked contender. Idc if it was boring, he's now the number one contender, he earned the shot. I honestly wouldn't mind Gus vs Machida if Gus beats Mousasi though. But to deny someone a title shot because they're "boring" isn't good for the sport.
    The UFC has given title shots to Nick Diaz and Chael Sonnen (and were going to give one to Anthony Pettis who would be dropping down in weight). None of them deserve it based on their recent win loss records in the divisions they'd be getting title shots.

    The UFC isn't the NFL, it's about selling PPV's. If Gustafsson runs through Mousai and all of the fans are clamoring for a Jones vs Gustafsson fight they'll give it to him.

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    It was.
    It was a split decision that resulted in a chorus of boos when it was announced. Additionally, as you can see from the first post of this thread more than one UFC fighter state they didn't even know how to score it.

    It wouldn't have been shocking if Hendo got the decision.
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    Originally Posted by cheerupemokid View Post
    It was a split decision that resulted in a chorus of boos when it was announced. .
    Cmon son, the fans werent booing because Chida got the dec.
    They were booing because in their eyes it was a boring fight, largely caused by Chida, thats why they were booing him, not because they thought he got lucky with the decision. As has been mentioned already, the beer swellers in attendance wanted a rock em sock em bout and would boo if they didnt get that. I think thats fair, they pay big bucks to get in and if they wanna boo because they aint satisfied, thats fine.
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    Originally Posted by mmondo13 View Post
    Lol strong nut hugging. He didn't do plenty of damage. There's no need to pretend the fight didn't suck.

    i watched machida dominate hendo. Hendo did jack **** while machida landed all sorts of knees kicks and punches throughout the fight

    deal with it and watch it again
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    The UFC has given title shots to Nick Diaz and Chael Sonnen (and were going to give one to Anthony Pettis who would be dropping down in weight). None of them deserve it based on their recent win loss records in the divisions they'd be getting title shots.

    The UFC isn't the NFL, it's about selling PPV's. If Gustafsson runs through Mousai and all of the fans are clamoring for a Jones vs Gustafsson fight they'll give it to him.



    It was a split decision that resulted in a chorus of boos when it was announced. Additionally, as you can see from the first post of this thread more than one UFC fighter state they didn't even know how to score it.

    It wouldn't have been shocking if Hendo got the decision.
    Logical fallacy. Just because it was booed by a bunch of drunk idiots who have no idea how to fight other than drunk bar brawl and have no appreciation for anything but a knock out does not mean the decision was incorrect. Hendo did not do anything all fight, he did not even deserve the vote he got to make it a split

    this is not rome, the audiences reaction does not determine the outcome
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    He was no different than he was in the Bader fight. We know Machida's style. He's a Karate fighter and looks to dart in and out. Dan Henderson tried to close the distance and failed. Everyone knows that if you try to close that gap with Machida he will try and make you pay.

    With his style you will get crazy fights like the ones against Rashad, Couture, Bader, and then you will get some inconsistency or bad showings of his fighting such as in the Rampage fight and now Hendo's. I didn't thin the fight was boring though. Much of it can be blamed on Hendo for not committing to his attacks. Machida landed a trip, several knees and kicks, one I recall wobbling Hendo.
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    Originally Posted by sword_ View Post
    He was no different than he was in the Bader fight. We know Machida's style. He's a Karate fighter and looks to dart in and out. Dan Henderson tried to close the distance and failed. Everyone knows that if you try to close that gap with Machida he will try and make you pay.

    With his style you will get crazy fights like the ones against Rashad, Couture, Bader, and then you will get some inconsistency or bad showings of his fighting such as in the Rampage fight and now Hendo's. I didn't thin the fight was boring though. Much of it can be blamed on Hendo for not committing to his attacks. Machida landed a trip, several knees and kicks, one I recall wobbling Hendo.
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