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Originally Posted by DivaJana
What people don't understand, apparently including you too, is that you can't generalize this rule over all exercises. this works for some exercises and muscle groups of course, biceps curls isn't one of them.
Uhm...
You can use cheat motions for bicep curls. You should ONLY do them for the last one or two reps though, forced reps essentially. Say you do 35 for 8 usually, perfect form. You can bump it up to 40 or 45, push out 6 perfect reps, then swing (not ridiculously) for the last two to get that extra strain and burn in. Helps a lot of people get over plateaus. Forced/cheat reps are just under negative reps for getting over some rough spots.
So, in essence, it's actually a thing sooooo....yeah.
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White Knight
Originally Posted by Halfway
distal bicep ruptures are most common in men over 35, bear than in mind. Kids can do some stupid sh-t and get away with it, older trainees need to be smarter
oh well, there is your proof right there ^^^^ mind if I quote your research in future threads?
BTW,Bicep rupture happens to older people because their tendons lose their elasticity, not because they start doing cheat curls.
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Originally Posted by IDrinkBloodLOL
Everyone is an expert on anything these days. Google is everyone's friend.
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Brain Damaged
Originally Posted by Halfway
distal bicep ruptures are most common in men over 35, bear than in mind. Kids can do some stupid sh-t and get away with it, older trainees need to be smarter
i definitely agree older trainees need to be more careful but if you assume cheating stimulates less bicep, wouldnt the bicep be safer? I guess it depends on how you cheat, the range of cheating, etc. Maybe cheating it up where at the bottom your elbows are bent and you use some momentum and then some back and shoulder to get it all the way up but then strictly lower it, maybe that extra load on the negative could be an injury risk? But if cheating means greater injury risk to the bicep then the bicep is getting hit somewhere along the way much harder than usual, which may be a bad thing, i dunno.
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White Knight
Originally Posted by Pairunoyd
i definitely agree older trainees need to be more careful but if you assume cheating stimulates less bicep, wouldnt the bicep be safer? I guess it depends on how you cheat, the range of cheating, etc. Maybe cheating it up where at the bottom your elbows are bent and you use some momentum and then some back and shoulder to get it all the way up but then strictly lower it, maybe that extra load on the negative could be an injury risk? But if cheating means greater injury risk to the bicep then the bicep is getting hit somewhere along the way much harder than usual, which may be a bad thing, i dunno.
are you suggesting people cheat to take work away from the bicep? Im starting to think you have brain damage.
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All you need: twenty perfect reps and riding bicycles.
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Brain Damaged
Originally Posted by oldballs
are you suggesting people cheat to take work away from the bicep? Im starting to think you have brain damage.
im suggesting you do
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Originally Posted by Pairunoyd
i definitely agree older trainees need to be more careful but if you assume cheating stimulates less bicep, wouldnt the bicep be safer? I guess it depends on how you cheat, the range of cheating, etc. Maybe cheating it up where at the bottom your elbows are bent and you use some momentum and then some back and shoulder to get it all the way up but then strictly lower it, maybe that extra load on the negative could be an injury risk? But if cheating means greater injury risk to the bicep then the bicep is getting hit somewhere along the way much harder than usual, which may be a bad thing, i dunno.
cheating doesnt necessarily stimulate more or less bicep... you can take the muscle to the same point of fatigue using both strict and sloppy form.
I dont especially care about anyone else's bicep tendons, but I'd like to keep mine intact which is why I rarely curl anything more than a 45lb db, use a parallel grip for most rowing, dont use a mixed grip for DLs and never do things like incline curls. Even if doing those were to magically give me another 1/2" on my arms (which they wouldn't) the risk of losing my job because I was in a cast for 6 weeks pretty much outweighs any potential benefits.
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The Most Registered User
Originally Posted by davisj3537
That isn't Arnold....is it?
The whole time you've been here, I thought you were Arnold :*|
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Not even my final form
It's kinda pointless to do a whole set with swinging. And by pointless I don't mean wrong. I just mean you're thrusting your hips for no additional benefit. If you like doing it that way then it's not 'wrong', but there's just not really a need to involve other muscles in that sense because it's not 'better'. If you like swinging then go ahead. I'd prefer to not swing, but wait until I reach failure on my last set and then bust out another couple with a little momentum.
If you're a novice/intermediate and are unsure what routine to follow: http://i.imgur.com/U4fK658.png?1?3081
Greekmanman - "I'd recommend using what the research suggests is most optimal for the majority of trainees as chances are you fall in line with most. After several months, gauge your progress against what you had been doing before. If you make better progress, great. If not, time to experiment with higher volumes, lower volumes, higher frequencies, lower frequencies etc."
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I see a lot of guys in our gym with relatively big arms that have really horrible form with this sort of thing. Now, whatever they are doing is obviously working due to their decent size, however, they would probably be even bigger if they trained correctly with weights they could a) manage effectively and b) slowing their movements down.
Although I think we’ve all been guilty of some pretty horrible form from time to time if you’re aiming for strength increases rather than size.
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The Most Registered User
This is me after doing Bro-Curls:
Notice how undeveloped my biceps are..
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