O/T IIFYM Hodgetwins

[ncarter11]

I have to agree with IFBB pro Mike Johnson. skip to 2:35. Point blank you aren't optimizing your gains with IIFYM.

[alan aragon]

Point blank you aren't optimizing your gains with IIFYM.

So, hitting your macro targets doesn't optimize your gains? What are you smoking, son?

This isn't a 10-page thread yet, read it before posting. I already explained TWICE how the IIFYM thing started in the Nutrition forum of this very website. FFS.

[ncarter11]

So, hitting your macro targets doesn't optimize your gains? What are you smoking, son?

This isn't a 10-page thread yet, read it before posting. I already explained TWICE how the IIFYM thing started in the Nutrition forum of this very website. FFS.

I mentioned nothing in regards to tracking macros sir. Somehow I feel like we arent going to see eye to eye on the subject so im not even going to go there with you. I was just chiming in.

[alan aragon]

I mentioned nothing in regards to tracking macros sir. Somehow I feel like we arent going to see eye to eye on the subject so im not even going to go there with you. I was just chiming in.

Re-read my post, I edited it as you responded.

[zmcdole]

I have to agree with IFBB pro Mike Johnson. skip to 2:35. Point blank you aren't optimizing your gains with IIFYM.

the only thing he said that goes against using IIFYM is that it allows room for error. Sure if you're not being careful and double checking your stuff you can easily make errors calculating. However, he also said, "If it comes to the end of the day and you didn't hit your macros, well you ****ed up." The purpose of IIFYM is to count your macros to hit them at the end of the day. You only eat it if it fits. I don't think he quite gets that. And before that he says you have to have your day planned out. It's been shown time and time again that meal frequency has little to no effect on bodybuilding or strength gain goals. Now nutrient timing can certainly impact performance. Regardless, people who follow IIFYM have their day's planned out. They know exactly how many cals, fats, carbs, and protein they need to get. I nearly stopped listening when he started the whole "bodybuilding is hard and people are always looking for the easy way out". The classic "I'm a warrior and you're weak argument".

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[TTimmerman]

I like most of your posts but in this case you are just flat out wrong. Tons of guys who use IIFYM for their contest diet are coming into contests absolutely shredded with striated glutes etc. It works.

as i said, it works for people who know their bodies, e.g. competitive athletes. and seriously they eat like 1 or 2 poptarts a day, not like they don't eat rice

[Wcustom]

dunno how ppl can argue that it doesn't work though, when there are so many people doing it and succeeding with it. I believe both ways works , whichever floats your boat, don't have to bash either

strong believer in IIFYM and preaches it, Alberto Nunez

[Wcustom]

as i said, it works for people who know their bodies, e.g. competitive athletes. and seriously they eat like 1 or 2 poptarts a day, not like they don't eat rice

exactly. People blow it out of proportion and make it seem like these guys eat Mcdonalds for every meal or get all their carbs from pop or some ****

Wouldn't be able to hit their macros accordingly with just Mcdonald's and it's not like these guys are gonna want to feel like **** lol

IIFYM is mainly in regards to body composition not health, but you can still eat CLEAN and FIT YOUR MACROS to stay healthy guys .. no idea why people think you can't do both

[Groggery]

Guys, with all due respect, does this acronym even deserve all this circle-jerking?

[germanyt]

agreed.

If I am leaning out, i can't see how eating Ice Cream or any junk food would be smart.... Junk food is so unfilling that I would just be hungry in an hour or two + i would have blown my macros.

I can literally eat around 1800 calories and still maintain 175 pounds (with a decent amount of fat).... so... a few big macs and I'm screwed... and hungry

What about being starving 1 hour after eating 800 calories worth of chicken and rice?

[MrSilverback]

I believe IIFIYM is 99% bullsh*t. 99% of the general population will get no where practicing it. The 1% who do it might actually have a medical issue. Two cases in point:

1) My buddy. Dude can't break through the 250 plateau. He'll eat his normal meals then 2-3x a week chuck in McD's or ice cream, etc. Still can't break through. I told him he might have a medical issue.
2) Which proves my point exactly. My girlfriend's friend. She eats like GARBAGE. Fast food couple times a week, etc. The girl has a legit framed 6 pack all year round. Well couple months ago she goes to the doctor because she wasn't feeling well, couldn't sleep, tired all the time, etc. Thyroid issue. Now she's on synthroid (it can work both ways)

So there you go.

Furthermore, everyone i've seen who practices IIFIYM looks TERRIBLE. It looks like they haven't set foot in a gym a day in their life.

[Ikatsu]

I believe IIFIYM is 99% bullsh*t. 99% of the general population will get no where practicing it. The 1% who do it might actually have a medical issue. Two cases in point:

1) My buddy. Dude can't break through the 250 plateau. He'll eat his normal meals then 2-3x a week chuck in McD's or ice cream, etc. Still can't break through. I told him he might have a medical issue.
2) Which proves my point exactly. My girlfriend's friend. She eats like GARBAGE. Fast food couple times a week, etc. The girl has a legit framed 6 pack all year round. Well couple months ago she goes to the doctor because she wasn't feeling well, couldn't sleep, tired all the time, etc. Thyroid issue. Now she's on synthroid (it can work both ways)

So there you go.

Furthermore, everyone i've seen who practices IIFIYM looks TERRIBLE. It looks like they haven't set foot in a gym a day in their life.

Gonna give you the benefit of the doubt that you read this whole thread and this is just pure sarcasm. Otherwise please read the thread because you sound really dense.

[MrSilverback]

Gonna give you the benefit of the doubt that you read this whole thread and this is just pure sarcasm. Otherwise please read the thread because you sound really dense.

No need to. Every argument I've heard about IIFYM is BS.

brb Posting pics of Phil Heath eating donuts (post show binge)

People keep posting about this garbage lol. The true IIFIYM means eat whatever you want as long as you hit your macro allotment for the day.

Besides, you're red...without an avi. Why am I even responding.

[Wcustom]

No need to. Every argument I've heard about IIFYM is BS.

brb Posting pics of Phil Heath eating donuts (post show binge)

People keep posting about this garbage lol. The true IIFIYM means eat whatever you want as long as you hit your macro allotment for the day.

Besides, you're red...without an avi. Why am I even responding.

Open your mind buddy stop being so ignorant

I know lots of people that don't follow IIFYM that look like straight garbage as well, but that isn't a solid argument now is it?

IIFYM does work lol @ trying to use a case of your two friends as actual evidence

[MrSilverback]

Open your mind buddy stop being so ignorant

I know lots of people that don't follow IIFYM that look like straight garbage as well, but that isn't a solid argument now is it?

IIFYM does work lol @ trying to use a case of your two friends as actual evidence

Umm i really don't care lol?

I look good why would I change anything? Eating crap is just that, crap. The output you receive is directly correlated to the input. Crap goes in, crap as the result. Besides the fact its just plain bad for you.

I know ZERO serious competitive bodybuilders who do IIFIYM. I've trained with now IFBB pro's and even had one do my diet.

Strategic re-feed or cheat, that's different.

[alan aragon]

Umm i really don't care lol?

I look good why would I change anything? Eating crap is just that, crap. The output you receive is directly correlated to the input. Crap goes in, crap as the result. Besides the fact its just plain bad for you.

I know ZERO serious competitive bodybuilders who do IIFIYM. I've trained with now IFBB pro's and even had one do my diet.

Strategic re-feed or cheat, that's different.

You're being ignorant & re-hashing crap that's already been covered in this thread. Read the thread please.

[MAX.MAREK]

I have to agree with IFBB pro Mike Johnson. skip to 2:35. Point blank you aren't optimizing your gains with IIFYM.

Mike said all the right $hit here. good vid

[MAX.MAREK]

Umm i really don't care lol?

I look good why would I change anything? Eating crap is just that, crap. The output you receive is directly correlated to the input. Crap goes in, crap as the result. Besides the fact its just plain bad for you.

I know ZERO serious competitive bodybuilders who do IIFIYM. I've trained with now IFBB pro's and even had one do my diet.

Strategic re-feed or cheat, that's different.

i know ZERO as well. and you are correct about refeeds and cheats. totally different. and most seriours bbers in the offseason dont count "cheats" in their macros. we just eat that ontop of our regular foods....atleast I do haha.

BUT each to his own. if IIFYM works for you, keep doing it.

[zmcdole]

I believe IIFIYM is 99% bullsh*t. 99% of the general population will get no where practicing it. The 1% who do it might actually have a medical issue. Two cases in point:

1) My buddy. Dude can't break through the 250 plateau. He'll eat his normal meals then 2-3x a week chuck in McD's or ice cream, etc. Still can't break through. I told him he might have a medical issue.
2) Which proves my point exactly. My girlfriend's friend. She eats like GARBAGE. Fast food couple times a week, etc. The girl has a legit framed 6 pack all year round. Well couple months ago she goes to the doctor because she wasn't feeling well, couldn't sleep, tired all the time, etc. Thyroid issue. Now she's on synthroid (it can work both ways)

So there you go.

Furthermore, everyone i've seen who practices IIFIYM looks TERRIBLE. It looks like they haven't set foot in a gym a day in their life.

There have been countless pictures posted of people who follow IIFYM that look FANTASTIC. It's actually nauseating the number of time I've actually posted pics, but I'll do it again to prove a point. It works just fine. Is is the bets way? No. But it works just as good as any bro diet that you'll hear about.




Elite 181lb powerlifter who squats well over 500 and deadlifts over 600 drug free. Should kill himself.


does he even lift?


and this ******* looks awful!!!!!


his diet sucks


I'm sure this douche doesn't lift or eat anything that's good

[Ajthemeso]

kane sumabat observes IIFYM. he's pretty well known for being a bacon and poptart fanatic.

[MrSilverback]

You're being ignorant & re-hashing crap that's already been covered in this thread. Read the thread please.

With all due respect, IIFIYM your macros is pure bullsh*t. Let me tell you the #1 mistake new lifters/bb'rs/whatever we're calling them make:

Compensating for shortcomings in their workout/diet plan with internet horsesh*t.

If I could take back the first 3 years that i started lifting I would have done things COMPLETELY different. Diet, training, supplements, etc. IIFIYM has been pulled apart 70 ways till Sunday.

First, well if it fits in your macros, eat it.
Then it was, maybe this isn't such a good idea.
Now its, some meals are ok to eat dirty within your macros.

OK so we're basically talking about strategically placed "dirty" meals that have been placed in whatever diet you subscribe to for a specific purpose? OK cool story, bb'rs have been doing this for 2 decades now lmao. Now where I'm really concerned is when I see this sh*t posted and some noob things "ZOMG this is the answer!" Subsequently, he wastes another 6-12 months of his life.

I've used strategically placed meals during both bulks and pre-contest. Hell, I had to eat 30 dollars in Wendy's one week out from a show to fill out.

It bothers me when people spit broscience that has a specific, isolated, and effective purpose; applying it to a broader scenario.

Why is this happy nonsense even in the IFBB forum? LOL

[Jeddore]

I have to agree with IFBB pro Mike Johnson. skip to 2:35. Point blank you aren't optimizing your gains with IIFYM.

so by hitting a specified amount of protein, fat and carbs with adequate fibre, you are somehow not optimizing your gains? lol ok

dunno how ppl can argue that it doesn't work though, when there are so many people doing it and succeeding with it. I believe both ways works , whichever floats your boat, don't have to bash either

strong believer in IIFYM and preaches it, Alberto Nunez

a lot of my close friends (along with myself) follow IIFYM, and they're definitely 'optimizing their gains' lol


canadian tested nationals

dat offseason


11 weeks out


left leg is messed due to cancer

there are years and years and huge numbers of great results from the 'standard' dieting, but saying that following IIFYM, which is a very sound idea, wouldn't optimize your gains is just nuts lol

[JanesLastResort]

steve kleva is my new hero.

[MrSilverback]

There have been countless pictures posted of people who follow IIFYM that look FANTASTIC. It's actually nauseating the number of time I've actually posted pics, but I'll do it again to prove a point. It works just fine. Is is the bets way? No. But it works just as good as any bro diet that you'll hear about.

Elite 181lb powerlifter who squats well over 500 and deadlifts over 600 drug free. Should kill himself.

http://theathleticbuild.com/wp-conte...535416458.jpeg
does he even lift?
and this ******* looks awful!!!!!
his diet sucks
I'm sure this douche doesn't lift or eat anything that's good

Good for them dude.

Show me where Rsardinia uses IIFIYM IN THE FORM IT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED AS

Also, did you really post a PL? Isn't this the IFBB forum?

Please, tell me how they practice IIFIYM in it's PUREST form lol.

PL's are the WORST example of IIFIYM. They've traditionally had the worst diets.

[alan aragon]

With all due respect, IIFIYM your macros is pure bullsh*t. Let me tell you the #1 mistake new lifters/bb'rs/whatever we're calling them make:

Compensating for shortcomings in their workout/diet plan with internet horsesh*t.

If I could take back the first 3 years that i started lifting I would have done things COMPLETELY different. Diet, training, supplements, etc. IIFIYM has been pulled apart 70 ways till Sunday.

First, well if it fits in your macros, eat it.
Then it was, maybe this isn't such a good idea.
Now its, some meals are ok to eat dirty within your macros.

OK so we're basically talking about strategically placed "dirty" meals that have been placed in whatever diet you subscribe to for a specific purpose? OK cool story, bb'rs have been doing this for 2 decades now lmao. Now where I'm really concerned is when I see this sh*t posted and some noob things "ZOMG this is the answer!" Subsequently, he wastes another 6-12 months of his life.

I've used strategically placed meals during both bulks and pre-contest. Hell, I had to eat 30 dollars in Wendy's one week out from a show to fill out.

It bothers me when people spit broscience that has a specific, isolated, and effective purpose; applying it to a broader scenario.

Why is this happy nonsense even in the IFBB forum? LOL

You're still trying to light up a straw man. Read post #55.

[MrSilverback]

Best way to send this off the rails REALLY fast:

Please, someone, give me a UNIVERSALLY excepted definition of IIFIYM that EVERYONE in this thread agrees on.

Keto, pretty clear definition to that. Intermittent fasting, clear definition to that as well (don't believe in that either).

[alan aragon]

Best way to send this off the rails REALLY fast:

Please, someone, give me a UNIVERSALLY excepted definition of IIFIYM that EVERYONE in this thread agrees on.

Keto, pretty clear definition to that. Intermittent fasting, clear definition to that as well (don't believe in that either).

The crux of the problem is that you're thinking IIFYM is some sort of a diet with pre-set rules that define it. Again, read through the thread broski.

[PillClinton]

Lol Zmc...

A little interesting fact. Dorian Yates (6x Mr. Olympia in case you guys didn't know ) actually used IIFYM concepts. He has recounted stories of people gasping and going pale as he was 2-3 weeks out from a contest and eating a chocolate bar. He even said (paraphrasing) "I am still in a caloric deficit, so there is no problem"

[MrSilverback]

You're still trying to light up a straw man. Read post #55.

OK, so basically what we're talking about is something that has been accepted by the bodybuilding community for YEARS.

I personally have never counted a calorie a day in my life.

I STRONGLY disagree that:

Carbs are created equal
Fats are created equal
Protein is created equal (more along the line of fats)

They simply are not. I've experienced it with myself, people I've prepped, and people who are no IFBB pro's.

[Jeddore]

Best way to send this off the rails REALLY fast:

Please, someone, give me a UNIVERSALLY excepted definition of IIFIYM that EVERYONE in this thread agrees on.

Keto, pretty clear definition to that. Intermittent fasting, clear definition to that as well (don't believe in that either).

IIFYM is simply separating yourself from a specific foods diet
instead of eating talapia, chicken breast, brown rice, sweet potato during your diet, you eat variety of foods which help you achieve a specific ratio of protein, fat and carbs (plus adequate fibre). much like the abbreviation implies, If It Fits Your Macronutrient ratio, eat it