What do you guys think is the highest attainable physique?

[LiftingSteve93]

Also, competing in a "drug tested" federation does in no way make someone drug free.

[BruteMutant]

People with above average physiques are often accused of not being natty. Most of the time, this is true. OP, when lifting around enough people and seeing people you know aren't natty, it becomes easier to spot those that are on. That being said, you can do a lot better than most people would have you believe without going on a cycle. A lot of people want to hop on as soon as their linear progression stops. There are so many different methods to progress without the use of anything.

Very true. Works in the same fashion as my GayDar.

Also, competing in a "drug tested" federation does in no way make someone drug free.

Agreed... its usually pretty easy to piss clean using someone else's piss. I've never had them actually watching...

[DoWorkSon515]

I'm getting sick of 18 year olds who claim that they can discern a natty physique from an enhanced one. Scooby is a guy who many people believe to use/used steroids but the fact is that he has been training longer than most of you have been alive. If you've ever read any of his work or spoken with him then you know he is a genuine guy. Be consistent with your training and diet for three decades, see where that takes you.

[agrier9]

I'm getting sick of 18 year olds who claim that they can discern a natty physique from an enhanced one. Scooby is a guy who many people believe to use/used steroids but the fact is that he has been training longer than most of you have been alive. If you've ever read any of his work or spoken with him then you know he is a genuine guy. Be consistent with your training and diet for three decades, see where that takes you.

meh bro shut the fu ck up.

[NaturalDOTrus]

in 15 years you can build a nice physique. Nothing crazy obviously, but an aesthetic body is doable for sure. I personally don't understand the point of waiting that long though, I'd rather have my goal physique in my college years rather than in my 30's +.

@ SamSix - Do you plan on joining the dark side?

is not about body its about life style, who you become.

[JewishSuperHero]

I'm getting sick of 18 year olds who claim that they can discern a natty physique from an enhanced one. Scooby is a guy who many people believe to use/used steroids but the fact is that he has been training longer than most of you have been alive. If you've ever read any of his work or spoken with him then you know he is a genuine guy. Be consistent with your training and diet for three decades, see where that takes you.

That dude says that doing squats and playing basketball get the same result. He spits out a lot of broscience.

[NZninja101]

I think there are actually online calculators for this sort of thing. I don't know if the guy in the OP is natty, he may be. While it's hard for me to actually say who is and who isn't, I'm pretty sure Jim Cordova's not natty. Just IMO.

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I'm getting sick of 18 year olds who claim that they can discern a natty physique from an enhanced one. Scooby is a guy who many people believe to use/used steroids but the fact is that he has been training longer than most of you have been alive. If you've ever read any of his work or spoken with him then you know he is a genuine guy. Be consistent with your training and diet for three decades, see where that takes you.

Scooby isn't natty u mad

[SmallLats]

CT Fletcher is 5"10, 245 which pretty shredded 22inch arms. Hes probably 5"10 205 stage shape.

[amenccm]

Also, competing in a "drug tested" federation does in no way make someone drug free.

True, but the fact that urinalysis tests have shown them to be steroid free would at least have some credibility. It doesn't necessarily prove them to be natty, but definitely strong evidence.

In normal clothes, Cordova doesn't really look that big.

[TheBuffmuffin]

People with above average physiques are often accused of not being natty. Most of the time, this is true. OP, when lifting around enough people and seeing people you know aren't natty, it becomes easier to spot those that are on. That being said, you can do a lot better than most people would have you believe without going on a cycle. A lot of people want to hop on as soon as their linear progression stops. There are so many different methods to progress without the use of anything.

I agree

[flexed88]

buffmuffin is pretty close to my own ideal physique

[agrier9]

True, but the fact that urinalysis tests have shown them to be steroid free would at least have some credibility. It doesn't necessarily prove them to be natty, but definitely strong evidence.

In normal clothes, Cordova doesn't really look that big.

Proves them natty at that point in time someone can easily cycle off just in time for a show.

[jasticus]

Proves them natty at that point in time someone can easily cycle off just in time for a show.

That is crazy..He must have to get custom pants...

[Roshaan1]

LOL in about 5 years if proper nutrition and bodybuilding your pretty close to your genetic max. And by 8 or so years you'll probably stop seeing gains...and yeah 5,11 189 lbs ripped is possible natty but with hard work and depending on where ur at time can range upto 6 years or so to look like the guy u posted the pic of...

[LiftingSteve93]

Proves them natty at that point in time someone can easily cycle off just in time for a show.

This. And some tests are skewed anyway. Im pretty sure in the UFC, they test for a ratio of testosterone to epitosterone. A normal male has a ratio of 1:1. They allow a ratio of 6:1. This is from memory, but I'm pretty sure it's correct.


Hmmmm....

[D1Z]

Is what i believe 100% can be obtained naturally.

Elliot hulse (Strengthcamp on youtube)

Been strength training/bodybuilding for 10+ years.

Admitted to using steroids and you can look up his videos to see where he started and where he ended (Massive gains made, Huge, then went back to normal)

He used for only 1-3 months.

Which isn't much honestly, as most of his physique is natural.


Could be leaner, but thats my goal right there.

[greekmanman]

There is no way to tell whether someone is or is not enhanced; to a certain degree ofcourse(not counting obvious cases of 5'8 240 lb stage ready IFBB pros etc.)

What we can do is place someone on a spectrum of probability. If they are within the range of stats research has shown to be possible naturally(Fat free mass index as well as Casey Butt's extensive research dating back to the '30s) they may or may not be enhanced.

Depending on the length of training, whether or not they compete in tested organizations, progress year to year, knowledge of the sciences behind bodybuilding, whether their career is dependent on their physique(ex fitness models must be lean year round for shoots) as well as other factors we can place someone either closer to the side of being enhanced, or not.

If someone is competing in tested organizations, is in bodybuilding as just a hobby, knows a great deal about the science of bodybuilding we can say they are more likely to actually not be enhanced.

[BruteMutant]

^--- Not a very difficult goal to accomplish, D1Z.

[tronmate]

Is Buffmuffin natty or not( hope he is)? That joocy back reminds me of all non natty physiques. Mirin' for the rest of my life if he is natty. srs

[Mohammed786]

You're a long way off to being close to his level of development bro.

True that brah.....Asian genetics :-(

[tronmate]

True that brah.....Asian genetics :-(

If that physique in your avi is all natty, you have no fuarking reason to blame your asian genetics brah.

[amenccm]

Proves them natty at that point in time someone can easily cycle off just in time for a show.

So in shows that require competitors to be at least 7 years drug free, how can they tell?

Not trying to argue or anything, just curious.

[Luwbz]

Best physique in the natural federations is arguably Jim Cordova but is he natural well I don't know.

he is 170lbs, although that musch mass at that conditioning is arguamental, although after the decade of trainign hes done its possible his body has adpated to that much mass as his "base" and for that to be his norm for that bf%

[Luwbz]

True, but the fact that urinalysis tests have shown them to be steroid free would at least have some credibility. It doesn't necessarily prove them to be natty, but definitely strong evidence.

In normal clothes, Cordova doesn't really look that big.

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[TheBuffmuffin]

Is Buffmuffin natty or not( hope he is)? That joocy back reminds me of all non natty physiques. Mirin' for the rest of my life if he is natty. srs

Yes natural.

[D1Z]

^--- Not a very difficult goal to accomplish, D1Z.

Yep i know he aint super massive, but he's probably the biggest person i know that i'm sure is pretty much natty for sure.

[Aggrotech]

This.

There are people on this site who've been lifting for 10+ years, they have killer physiques and they claim natty, BUT the majority of people accuses them on using dat dere.. So yeah, best way to know it is to do it yourself..

Edit: The guy in the OP is 5'11 189 lbs shredded & he claims natty, I really hope he is natural.. It's always good to have someone to look up to.

well you'll have to add 30 lbs of muscle to look like him

[amenccm]

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Nope. If you just saw him out on the street, you wouldn't imagine what he looked like this http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yEXthrayP3...fa5501423c.jpg

I'm not saying he looks normal, just that he doesn't look freakishly huge, although he does when he's on stage

[brehbrah]

I'm getting sick of 18 year olds who claim that they can discern a natty physique from an enhanced one. Scooby is a guy who many people believe to use/used steroids but the fact is that he has been training longer than most of you have been alive. If you've ever read any of his work or spoken with him then you know he is a genuine guy. Be consistent with your training and diet for three decades, see where that takes you.

Scooby admitted to being on TRT. Claims to be natty due to the fact that he needs the TRT to reach 'natural' test levels.


As for me, I'll post my maximum in 1-2 years. I'm literally almost at my goal body. I could go further after 10 more years training obviously, but I'm don't compete or anything so I have no need to and don't want to.

tfw I'll be that ******* in the gym who does "fun" exercises and plays about with medicine balls all day, doing high reps, taking long rests between sets.. no routine, yet still bigger and more shredded than half the guys in the gym

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[Blackanetics]

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Can anyone tell me the name of this guy? Thanks