Do you stretch your clients?

[KyleAaron]

His writing skills do not lead credence to his claims of training top athletes.

Still less does his idea than a deconditioned person even has a 1 or 10RM.

In case any credibility is left, his sig shows a website selling not training, but supplements.

In other words, when it comes to training people, braskibra is a numpty. Back to the Misc where you belong, bro.

[braskibra]

Kyle - we can't always simplify every single aspect of training. Even so, the argument here isn't stretching vs. not stretching, it is using research to come to bogus conclusions.

Other guy - just because something isn't statistically significant doesn't mean it wouldn't be if the number of subjects was greater. Statistics suck sometimes and people think that something being statistically significant, or not, proves things to absolutely true. Look at the trends. If the control decreases force production and H:Q ratios in almost every case, then they should either find a way to test such that this doesn't happen, or account for this error. If sitting and retesting is 3/4 of the decreased force needed for statistical significance, we shouldn't come to the conclusion that the last 1/4 (as a result of stretching) is responsible for the significant effect.

In addition, you might consider typing full sentences and spelling correctly.

weird my conclusions are stretching MAY lead to an increased injury risk and may decrease force output while providing little benefit which makes it not worth performing pre activity,which is in consensus with the literature as a whole, the point of statistical significane is to rule out the results being attributed to JUST CHANCE , theres always a small percentage of it being just chance but thats what p levels r for

a bogus conclusion would look like this:
stretching DOES lead to increased injury risk AND should be avoided at all costs
or
"a muscle is tight stretch it"

His writing skills do not lead credence to his claims of training top athletes.

Still less does his idea than a deconditioned person even has a 1 or 10RM.

In case any credibility is left, his sig shows a website selling not training, but supplements.

In other words, when it comes to training people, braskibra is a numpty. Back to the Misc where you belong, bro.

A rep with the companies website in his signature he reps for, pure genius conclusion

why would you not calculate a 10RM for someone deconditioned, doesnt sound like your a very good trainer, both elderly and deconditioned patients benefit from intense strengthening programs improving gait and functional activities, keep handing those 5 kg weights to your old ladies and have them stretch to reduce DOMS the next day with little evidence to support your views, a good start might be ordering a subscription to strength and conditioning journal, then maybe you ll be able to branch out to uptodate, cochrane etc. and begin to find your own articles


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[arian11]

"Oh my god it decreases peak power!"
Yes but your client is pressing a 5kg dumbbell on a swiss ball, how much peak power does she really need? Even if you're training her properly, when she's squatting 40kg it really is not going to make any difference. If someone is cleaning 140kg then okay this stuff makes a difference. How many of your clients are doing something like that?

You guys are majoring in the minors. Next you'll be introducing Westside periodisation for the 45 year old overweight accountant who just wants his back to stop hurting. Leave this stuff for the exercise scientists who can't coach a squat to ponder.

1. if some part is uncomfortably tight, stretch it now
2. otherwise, moving through a full range of motion in basic movements like a goblet squat is enough joint mobility work for most people
3. stretching after a workout makes the day after pain not as bad, and more importantly makes the person relaxed and want to come back again next time

That's all there is to it.

I have to agree with Kyle here.

-If you have a client who is completely out of shape and has no flexibility, you are probably going to have to have them do some stretches just to move through some kind of ROM safely. Trying to not stretch them so they can maximize peak power with horrible technique is dumb.
-If you have an elite athlete who has great flexibility and coordination, then you are probably gonna have them do a dynamic warm up and warm up through movement like Kyle suggested goblet squats. They will actually have a reason to maximize every bit of power they can obtain, so it is much more important.
-Majority of clients will be somewhere inbetween and you can incorporate a mix of static stretching and dynamic stretching.

I use to get away with just a 5 mins dynamic warmup and then start squatting. Now, I gotta do a little more or I'll be too tight and back will round too much at the bottom of the squat and my lower back will start hurting.

[zalesguy]

It depends. Some clients don't want that type of service for whatever reason and then there are others who need it more than anything. I've had clients who just want to be stretched, sciatic and other problems.

[etherHATESether]

I teach all of my clients how to stretch, so they can do it outside of the sessions and explain the purpose of each. Makes a world of difference in squat form. I've inherited clients from other trainers and totally changed their perspective on training within ten minutes of stretching, improving their squat form and restoring more mobility to their joints than they've had in decades.

[hockeyd13]

"Oh my god it decreases peak power!"
Yes but your client is pressing a 5kg dumbbell on a swiss ball, how much peak power does she really need? Even if you're training her properly, when she's squatting 40kg it really is not going to make any difference. If someone is cleaning 140kg then okay this stuff makes a difference. How many of your clients are doing something like that?

You guys are majoring in the minors. Next you'll be introducing Westside periodisation for the 45 year old overweight accountant who just wants his back to stop hurting. Leave this stuff for the exercise scientists who can't coach a squat to ponder.

1. if some part is uncomfortably tight, stretch it now
2. otherwise, moving through a full range of motion in basic movements like a goblet squat is enough joint mobility work for most people
3. stretching after a workout makes the day after pain not as bad, and more importantly makes the person relaxed and want to come back again next time

That's all there is to it.

The majority of literature correlates static stretching prior to strength and anaerobic/power training to a decrease in power and force production. The majority of literature also shows almost no correlation between static stretching prior to exercise and a decrease in exercise/sport-related injuries.

Why then, would you ever static stretch prior to exercise?

From a lot of my reading, static stretching can improve range of motion, but it in the end it is better to develop range of motion through strength training (correct form through end range), because increases (or decreases) in range of motion are matched by improvements in strength at end ranges.