Being lean and ripped vs being bulky and big

[TheRealNumber2]

Start bulking now. It takes years to build up enough mass to look like a bodybuilding when you cut down.

Besides, assuming you're not a fatass, you can get pretty lean in a aggressive 12 week cut. 12 weeks of bulking is going to yield you about 3 lbs of muscle if you're lucky.

It could be years or months. Depending on how many stories high you want to be.

[Jbo95]

And how's it working for you.

I'd rather listen to someone at my gym who looks like this...and what his diet entails then someone that looks like you. I don't mean that arrogantly.

[NZninja101]

I'd rather listen to someone at my gym who looks like this...and what his diet entails then someone that looks like you. I don't mean that arrogantly.

So you'd rather listen to people on steroids?


Facts are facts regardless of who says them. If Forest Gump says that 6 times 12 is 72, or if Einstein says it, it's true. I'm not sure how you can say something 'works for you' when you're still pretty skinny either.

[Mobster1995]

Being Lean and ripped?

Why the heck not BIG and ripped??? :P

[Jbo95]

So you'd rather listen to people on steroids?


Facts are facts regardless of who says them. If Forest Gump says that 6 times 12 is 72, or if Einstein says it, it's true. I'm not sure how you can say something 'works for you' when you're still pretty skinny either.

Hes not on steroids, he is a natural musclemania competitor.

As for you saying im 'pretty skinny', my entire upper body is more developed than yours, I can't comment on legs.

[KilluaTheKid]

Hes not on steroids, he is a natural musclemania competitor.

As for you saying im 'pretty skinny', my entire upper body is more developed than yours, I can't comment on legs.

you are unaware

[RugbyBro]

I'd rather listen to someone at my gym who looks like this...and what his diet entails then someone that looks like you. I don't mean that arrogantly.

Cuz he's been cycling longer than I've been training lol.

[NZninja101]

Hes not on steroids, he is a natural musclemania competitor.

You've been lied to.

As for you saying im 'pretty skinny', my entire upper body is more developed than yours, I can't comment on legs.

And now you're lying to me. That's not very nice.

[gixxer0.6g]

Hes not on steroids, he is a natural musclemania competitor.

As for you saying im 'pretty skinny', my entire upper body is more developed than yours, I can't comment on legs.

Troll status confirmed.

[george1612]

jbo= no1 bro scientist, please go read some scientific material not the forum posts by other non knowledgable broscientist like you. protein-essential fats-essential carbs-to make up calories. listening to that steroid user who still gets optimum fat intake almost guaranteed from his diet and uses the carbs to make up the calories, because he has to feed the muscles on cycle just to dumb to realise it.


this is also why your red.

[Jbo95]

jbo= no1 bro scientist, please go read some scientific material not the forum posts by other non knowledgable broscientist like you. protein-essential fats-essential carbs-to make up calories. listening to that steroid user who still gets optimum fat intake almost guaranteed from his diet and uses the carbs to make up the calories, because he has to feed the muscles on cycle just to dumb to realise it.


this is also why your red.

Where in Britain are you located?

[Jbo95]

Troll status confirmed.

I'm not trolling.

[Dzan09]

Used to think bean lean was cool.Now just want to become a beast and look big

[gixxer0.6g]

I'm not trolling.

Then you're an idiot. So much to learn. Your buddy has been on gear for years bro. Sorry to smash your dreams.

[BruteMutant]

Ladies in my area like big muscular guys.. not skinny lean pencil necked dweebs. I was actually told this by a female the other night... I was quite surprised and thrilled to hear it. lol

[Jbo95]

Then you're an idiot. So much to learn. Your buddy has been on gear for years bro. Sorry to smash your dreams.

Explain to me what I have to learn and how have you smashed my dreams? You are merely limiting what someone can achieve because you don't have the capacity, passion, drive to accomplish what some natural bodybuilders have accomplished. There is more than one 'buddy' who supports what I say, most of which have 20' arms, bench 405+ squat 500+ and deadlift 600+.

If you have nothing mature to contribute, seeing as your an 'adult', I suggest you rethink your intentions, bro.

[NZninja101]

News just in: Ronnie Coleman is also all natural. If you disagree then it's just because you don't have the capacity, passion and drive to accomplish what he accomplished.

[TheJediBrah]

I'd rather listen to someone at my gym who looks like this...and what his diet entails then someone that looks like you. I don't mean that arrogantly.

dude . . surely you're trolling and not actually stupid enough to believe he's natty

[venenzioo]

Explain to me what I have to learn and how have you smashed my dreams? You are merely limiting what someone can achieve because you don't have the capacity, passion, drive to accomplish what some natural bodybuilders have accomplished. There is more than one 'buddy' who supports what I say, most of which have 20' arms, bench 405+ squat 500+ and deadlift 600+.

If you have nothing mature to contribute, seeing as your an 'adult', I suggest you rethink your intentions, bro.

No disrespect whatsoever, but you honestly have no idea what you're talking about. The people on these forums are filled with knowledge because they have bdeen members for much longer and have received advice from both natural bodybuilders and IFBB pros. You just joined this month and have a distorted image of reality because you have listened to what some bulky men at the gym have told you. Just because a monster of a man gives you advice doesn't necessarily mean it is true. I'm not saying you are unintelligent; I am telling you that you are misinformed. Fat by no means makes you fat. Do you count macros/calories? You seeem rather cocky and act as if you know everything. You should never act that way. There will ALWAYS be room to learn. Just saying. However, continue doing what you're doing if you enjoy being criticized and attacked by forum members. Just my two cents man

[lankywhitekid]

Ok, so lets say not cut out fats all together, but rather increase carb intake whilst keeping fat intake at a minimum.

Seriously? Are you high? I'm on a very high fat diet mainly from meat, eggs, nuts, whole milk. Fat is essential. it decreases inflammation, increases appetite, controls hormone regulation, among many other things. Carbs should be kept to minimum when dieting because eating too many carbs is hard on your pancreas and screws with your energy levels.

[kenjoshx]

err..

thread summary, lower carbs and increase protein %

Start going for high reps over high weights, the rest is mostly know-it-all's trolling each other

[TheJediBrah]

err..

thread summary, lower carbs and increase protein %

Start going for high reps over high weights, the rest is mostly know-it-all's trolling each other

wtf

it must be idiot-day on bb.com

[petertuck]

Considering Im 30lbs heavier than you, same height and age, its unfair to say that what im saying is bro science.
What I'm saying to do works for me and what Pro bodybuilders at my gym have said.
Carbs ARE essential

I will follow what you say in your signature and disregard your comment.

you weight has nothing to do with whether what you are saying is bull**** or not, but if you like, im 20lbs heavier than you and you are chatting bull****

[gixxer0.6g]

Explain to me what I have to learn and how have you smashed my dreams? You are merely limiting what someone can achieve because you don't have the capacity, passion, drive to accomplish what some natural bodybuilders have accomplished. There is more than one 'buddy' who supports what I say, most of which have 20' arms, bench 405+ squat 500+ and deadlift 600+.

If you have nothing mature to contribute, seeing as your an 'adult', I suggest you rethink your intentions, bro.

You're going to be really disappointed one day. I'm 100% sure that guy hasn't been natural for the last decade.

[Ryhz]

I'm not trolling.

Then your a fkin idiot srs. You have nothing to back up your claim apart from the **** your juiced up bull****ting friend tells you. There are tons of guys at my gym his size and bigger and i always hear them complaining about having to cut x amount of carbs on a cut. Carbs are good don't get me wrong, infact if i go below 130g of carbs i feel like crap but the only reason they could help is for the extra calories and the energy they give you to work out but there is no real direct correlation between carb intake and protein synthesis, replacing those extra carbs with protein would yield better results in that aspect, if you can handle the lower energy levels. Carb intake is really the only macro you should be adjusting on a cut unless you screw up at the start.

Oh and 170 odd lbs is nothing to brag about son. I weighed 27 lbs more then that at the peak of my bulk, il be your weight shredded your not 5% bf either.

[kenjoshx]

wtf

it must be idiot-day on bb.com

Haha I dunno if you figured the rep/weight ratio single-mindedly or just don't like being shown in the troll spotlight

youmadbro? I got to 7% bf that way before dropping to current 9
Don't call my colour, I'd out your post count at my same join date. be cool

[jz416]

All you gotta do is count your carbs as calories and scrap fat intake. You can still get ripped and put on muscle at the same time, just control your diet and limit your fat and sodium intake. If you put on some fat from the carbs, do some light cardio after your workouts.

Negged for retardation

[Givemestrength]

the minutes i saw this thread i knew it could cause "tension" everyone has there different opinions about what physique they want. For me personally i don't think i could ever get big and then cut. Skinny guys getting "skinny ripped" is an amazing transformation, you have no fat to play with its just pure muscle building. Everyone should be encouraging each other on what physique they are after, it just helps them smile and motivate them more.

[Mitch666]

This thread went full retard. I mean i expected stupidity but we have like 5 different arguements going on about things vastly different than what started the thread.


Take away point is carbs aren't an essential nutrient, fat and protein both are. For those of you with horrible reading comprehension, that doesn't mean someone is saying don't eat carbs, just that they are NOT essential. People do great on keto diets while no one eats a zero fat diet because they would slowly die.

[KilluaTheKid]

the minutes i saw this thread i knew it could cause "tension" everyone has there different opinions about what physique they want. For me personally i don't think i could ever get big and then cut. Skinny guys getting "skinny ripped" is an amazing transformation, you have no fat to play with its just pure muscle building. Everyone should be encouraging each other on what physique they are after, it just helps them smile and motivate them more.

1. You can't get big: Fix your diet.
2. Skinny guys getting ripped. No. Skinny ones have got no muscles at all when lowering their bodyfat.

3.We are not bashing anyone. Just clearing up the bro science