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    As I understand it BCAAs are only useful if you dont eat meat preworkout. As meat has most of the BCAAs you need. Infact I think I read the article from here. But basically you need bcaas every 4-6 hours I think it was.
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    Originally Posted by mightyillidan View Post
    bcaas arenot scam the contain more specific proteinz and are helpfull when cutting
    op for me its whey then creatine cannot live without those
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    Originally Posted by DarthMaulscle View Post
    Conflicting opinions on BCAA's and Glutamine (well supplements in general I suppose).

    To outright state "is proven useless" of these supplements however is showing ignorance, as there is always research that contradicts findings of others.

    How effective these supplements are, I don't truely know. However considering they are all fairly cheap I take them for the lulz.
    Actually glutamine is scientifically proven to do nothing beneficial in the realm of weight training.
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    none really, protein would b useful but tastes like ****, i've only tried vanilla though so i think ill try chocolate soon and see if its bette.
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    Originally Posted by handcannon77 View Post
    Actually glutamine is scientifically proven to do nothing beneficial in the realm of weight training.
    wat

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2883028
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2668704
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3136658
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10368336
    ... and so on

    I'm not a big fan of glutamine, but saying that it's "scientifically proven" to be non-functional is just plain ignorant.
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    Originally Posted by DarthMaulscle View Post
    Conflicting opinions on BCAA's and Glutamine (well supplements in general I suppose).

    To outright state "is proven useless" of these supplements however is showing ignorance, as there is always research that contradicts findings of others.

    How effective these supplements are, I don't truely know. However considering they are all fairly cheap I take them for the lulz.
    taking all the research as a whole, it can been conclusively deduced that Glutamine has no efficacy whatsoever taking as an oral supplement.

    Ignoring conclusive research is "showing ignorance"
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    Originally Posted by Tokran View Post
    wat

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2883028
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2668704
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3136658
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10368336
    ... and so on

    I'm not a big fan of glutamine, but saying that it's "scientifically proven" to be non-functional is just plain ignorant.
    I can't believe i actually wasted a minute looking at those studies.

    They have nothing to do with oral glutamine supplementation at all.
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    Originally Posted by Tokran View Post
    wat

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2883028
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2668704
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3136658
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10368336
    ... and so on

    I'm not a big fan of glutamine, but saying that it's "scientifically proven" to be non-functional is just plain ignorant.
    Negged for using studies on rats to prove that something is scientifically proven.

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    Originally Posted by jz416 View Post
    Negged for using studies on rats to prove that something is scientifically proven.
    No. It was to show that the opposite was not scientifically proven. Big difference.


    Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    I can't believe i actually wasted a minute looking at those studies.

    They have nothing to do with oral glutamine supplementation at all.
    The last one actually did, and you can find a few more studies that do. Yes, most studies show that glutamine has no effect, I agree on that. It's not as large a majority as, for example, creatine studies, however.

    I don't think any possibly existing effect in glutamine is large enough to be worth investing money in, but I dislike any statements that say that it's "proven" to do absolutely nothing. The black-and-white-mentality is extremely tiring.


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    Originally Posted by DarthMaulscle View Post
    What are the supplements you can never go without / skitz out if you run out of?

    My numero uno is Whey Protein.

    Then I always like to run:
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    Originally Posted by Tokran View Post
    The last one actually did, and you can find a few more studies that do. Yes, most studies show that glutamine has no effect, I agree on that. It's not as large a majority as, for example, creatine studies, however.

    I don't think any possibly existing effect in glutamine is large enough to be worth investing money in, but I dislike any statements that say that it's "proven" to do absolutely nothing. The black-and-white-mentality is extremely tiring.
    Then why did you post the first 3?

    And every scientific principle will have studies that go against it, even the most widely accepeted ones. The trick is looking at all the research as a whole and making informed conclusions.

    As for the last study you posted, it takes a bit of an assumption to conclude that it suggests improved muscle recovery, and even ignoring most of the limitations of the study (7 subjects . . . the sample size was SEVEN lol), you would often look with a certain skepticism on something that was conducted over 10 years ago
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    Originally Posted by DarthMaulscle View Post
    What are the supplements you can never go without / skitz out if you run out of?

    My numero uno is Whey Protein.

    Then I always like to run:
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    Edited for your pleasure:



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    Originally Posted by GDPONE View Post
    As I understand it BCAAs are only useful if you dont eat meat preworkout. As meat has most of the BCAAs you need. Infact I think I read the article from here. But basically you need bcaas every 4-6 hours I think it was.
    Basically saying if someone "fast" then they should take BCCA
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    whey, creatine, fish oil, glucosamine with chondroitin and MSM. Everything else is optional; glutamine literally has minimal benefits it's non-essential and oral glutamine basically stays in the small intestine with a minimal amount getting absorbed; BCAA's are optional depending on how dispersed your protein is and the leucine content in your meals. A pre-workout for me is mandatory(totalis eryday).

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    Originally Posted by GDPONE View Post
    As I understand it BCAAs are only useful if you dont eat meat preworkout. As meat has most of the BCAAs you need. Infact I think I read the article from here. But basically you need bcaas every 4-6 hours I think it was.
    It would be more informative to say BCAA's are beneficial to peak protein synthesis. As far as I'm aware you can effectively spike protein synthesis about 4-5 times a day. Additionally, I believe you can only spike 3-4 hours apart. The magic number for maximizing protein synthesis is about .05g of leucine per kg of bodyweight so for me I'd be close to about 5g which would take the whey I bought 2 scoops to reach 5g leucine at 2.5 each. So BCAA's are actually great to add with a meal or two here and there to peak protein synthesis because most meals don't have a leucine content that peaks protein synthesis. Your average whey shake contains about 2g per serving.
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    Originally Posted by Jericoe View Post
    Yeah I'm gonna listen to the guy who can't even construct a proper sentence.
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    LOL @ BCAA's being a scam
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    Creatine and a multi is all im using atm.
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    Originally Posted by KBkilla View Post
    LOL @ BCAA's being a scam
    I see, what a very interesting article I totally agree with you now.
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    Originally Posted by Tokran View Post
    wat

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2883028
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2668704
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3136658
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10368336
    ... and so on

    I'm not a big fan of glutamine, but saying that it's "scientifically proven" to be non-functional is just plain ignorant.
    Wot.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11834123
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11822473
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17111006
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11255141
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10410846
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12183472

    I have a sh!t tonne more on multiple supplements, including glutamine. You are incorrect. Glutamine is essentially a waste of money.

    To answer OPs question:
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    My aims changed a while ago from trying to get huge for rugby to just trying to get abs and live a lean body lifestyle. I've been using no supplements for the last little while and spending my money instead on tinned tuna and turkey breast (I roast 6 turkey breast fillets on a sunday evening, then cut up one breast every day and eat it with mixed leaf salad, red peppers, mushrooms, pecan nuts and dried cranberries in a salad. I don't seem to be making gains/losing fat any faster now I'm not using supplements than when I was using supplements. I think diet is far far more important than what you supplement it with and too many of my friends and people I know eat a fairly crappy diet and rely too much on supplements for their nutrition.

    2KG of whey and 250g of creatine arrived today though. Having not been using whey in a long time and having never taken creatine before I'll be able to see how it affects me, my muscle gains and my weight loss now that I'm eating well.

    So to conclude, my "must use" supplements - none.
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    Nothing to be honest, supplements are only mean't to supplement a diet, if your diet is good enough it won't really make that much of a difference, I look at supplements as a convenience, not a necessity.

    I just take creatine, whey and fish-oils, sometimes if I have some extra cash I'll buy a PWO or some BCAA's, but I'd rather spend that money on steak
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    Originally Posted by Newmanzz View Post
    Nothing to be honest, supplements are only mean't to supplement a diet, if your diet is good enough it won't really make that much of a difference, I look at supplements as a convenience, not a necessity.

    I just take creatine, whey and fish-oils, sometimes if I have some extra cash I'll buy a PWO or some BCAA's, but I'd rather spend that money on steak
    Who was performance? Who was creatine? Who was beta-alanine? Who was glucosamine?
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