Need help with sleeping

[wheytoday]

I currently use 6mg of melatonin and 0.5mg of clonazepam (a type of ******). I'll sleep for maybe 3-4 hrs and then up wide awake. This is driving me nuts. Anything over the counter that helps? Or sleep methods?

[Mack411]

I currently use 6mg of melatonin and 0.5mg of clonazepam (a type of ******). I'll sleep for maybe 3-4 hrs and then up wide awake. This is driving me nuts. Anything over the counter that helps? Or sleep methods?

I have found when using L-Dopa I get much better sleep and Im able to stay asleep easier.

[Broscientist88]

i assume youve tried ZMAs? i also do this but as long as you get back to sleep youl go back into your sleep cycle.

[dandaman5984]

I currently use 6mg of melatonin and 0.5mg of clonazepam (a type of ******). I'll sleep for maybe 3-4 hrs and then up wide awake. This is driving me nuts. Anything over the counter that helps? Or sleep methods?

I would not suggest mixing prescription drugs with OTC supps for sleep. I'm not a doctor, but fwiw I recommend you speak with yours about either increasing your klonopin dosage or switching to another anxiolytic or hypnotic.

[80benrichards]

my wife drinks a glass of milk with a calcium/magnesium tab and it seems to work for her. Good luck man.... not sleeping sucks

[eagon06]

Start doing yoga and then get into a routine before bed. Google the connection, it works.

[VaughnTrue]

LiGHts Out is your answer! The reviews are incredible

[NO HYPE]

I currently use 6mg of melatonin and 0.5mg of clonazepam (a type of ******). I'll sleep for maybe 3-4 hrs and then up wide awake. This is driving me nuts. Anything over the counter that helps? Or sleep methods?

1. Were you prescribed k-pins for an anxiety disorder?

2. When did your sleep disorder present itself?

3. Any other medications?

4. What does your caffeine intake resemble am/pm?

5. In the absence of medication, is your mind usually racing with a plethora of thoughts prior to sleep?

[aaronuconn]

1. Were you prescribed k-pins for an anxiety disorder?

2. When did your sleep disorder present itself?

3. Any other medications?

4. What does your caffeine intake resemble am/pm?

5. In the absence of medication, is your mind usually racing with a plethora of thoughts prior to sleep?

Number 5 is the most important. You have anxiety about sleeping at this point. Even if that small dosage of that benzo is mellowing you out, you still have a premonition about your inability to get quality sleep.

[NO HYPE]

Number 5 is the most important. You have anxiety about sleeping at this point. Even if that small dosage of that benzo is mellowing you out, you still have a premonition about your inability to get quality sleep.

Well it's definitely important, and a common problem for many however, without knowing the context of the op's issue as a whole, it [may] not even be an issue whatsoever, as this could be occurring at sleep onset, or somewhere between the SWS delta and/or REM stages, ect. The other factors have to be addressed first in reguards to determining which would be most important. Nomsayin?

[aaronuconn]

Well it's definitely important, and a common problem for many however, without knowing the context of the op's issue as a whole, it [may] not even be an issue whatsoever, as this could be occurring at sleep onset, or somewhere between the SWS delta and/or REM stages, ect. The other factors have to be addressed first in reguards to determining which would be most important. Nomsayin?

I hear you. I agree with what you're saying. I guess sleep onset insomnia isn't what's hindering him at this point.

Also for the OP, any signs of depression?

[NO HYPE]

Also for the OP, any signs of depression?

Chit.... forgot to ask him about work shift hours in relation to am/pm.

[wheytoday]

1. Were you prescribed k-pins for an anxiety disorder?
yes
2. When did your sleep disorder present itself?
after taking andro

3. Any other medications?
andro .... synthetic testosterone

4. What does your caffeine intake resemble am/pm?
2 cup coffee 7am.. 1 cup green tea around 3pm. bed at 10pm or little later depending when lottery is drawn

5. In the absence of medication, is your mind usually racing with a plethora of thoughts prior to sleep?
no. i rarely think of anything if and if i'm thinking of something in bed it's relaxing, nice things. i sleep in a pitch black room because i'm very light sensitive

answered above

no depression. not anything major. if something bad were to happen then i'd be depressed but that's the same for everyone. nothing of that sort going on lately. i don't work shift and my schedule is the same.

[NO HYPE]

answered above

As in.... androgel?

[NO HYPE]

TRT increases hypoxic ventilatory drive and decreases carbon dioxide levels thereby leaving the possibility open for apneic/sleep pattern disturbances.

Were you ever diagnosed with sleep apnea and/or does the wifey say you snore much?

Nonetheless, it might be a good idea to look into it, but I'm merely giving you my opinion - which isn't worth much.

[Sarcobium]

How long have you used the melatonin at the 6mg and did you increase the dose to that or did you jump right on it?

[wheytoday]

I always snored like a chainsaw

I took 3mg for a year. Just this past 2 weeks been taking 6mgs as I have been having trouble staying asleep. Going into my 3rd month of andro gel

[2813308004]

there are a variety of practices you can work with to help sleep difficulties without using drugs. you have to re-learn how to sleep. meditation and diet are the first two things I recommend to all insomniacs. i still deal with insomnia but it was quite bad from very early on (age 8-10) until recently

it's very hard to overcome if you have a serious problem with it, but drugs are not the best route to go. i wasted a year and a half of my life using clonazepam, of which i remember little (1-2mg/night for a year and a half...)


there is no certain fix, you have to find things that work for you. I think emphasis needs to be placed on becoming a happier, healthier person. read books, educate yourself, pick up hobbies, have fun with friends, ect... good luck

[Starkk]

Whenever I have difficulty sleeping, it's due to anxiety over not getting enough sleep, which is weird, but not uncommon.

2g of phenylGABA tends to set me straight, as it relieves my anxiety and has a calming effect in addition to improved sleep.

However, since it demonstrates very rapid tachyphylaxis, this isn't a long term supplemental solution.

I find it works maybe once or twice a week at best before losing it's impact.

I have a very limited knowledge of pharmacodynamics compared to some here, though, so I might be missing something here.

[NO HYPE]

I always snored like a chainsaw

I took 3mg for a year. Just this past 2 weeks been taking 6mgs as I have been having trouble staying asleep. Going into my 3rd month of andro gel

Talk to your endo about your recent sleep disturbances and ask him about TRT-mediated exacerbation of sleep apnea.

I doubt you're going to solve the problem via supplementation and/or by altering your general sleep regimen, as the problem presented itself out of nowhere, but coincidentally followed the introductory phase of TRT.

[BobbyOrr1965]

my wife drinks a glass of milk with a calcium/magnesium tab and it seems to work for her. Good luck man.... not sleeping sucks

That is because of the high ration of the amino Tryptophan (also peanut butter, Turkey) that is a serotonin precursor. In some areas this can be presecribed in isolate form.

[wheytoday]

Talk to your endo about your recent sleep disturbances and ask him about TRT-mediated exacerbation of sleep apnea.

I doubt you're going to solve the problem via supplementation and/or by altering your general sleep regimen, as the problem presented itself out of nowhere, but coincidentally followed the introductory phase of TRT.

this makes the most sense. noted.

[NO HYPE]

this makes the most sense. noted.

Just mention your past snoring habits [which would put you in the at-risk category], and ask him about the likelihood of increased hypoxic ventilatory drive as a result of the TRT. You might end up with a CPAP fixture in your room, but it would sure beat the hell out of 3-4 hours of sleep and the concomitant decrease in the overall quality of life.

[NO HYPE]

Just mention your past snoring habits [which would put you in the at-risk category], and ask him about the likelihood of increased hypoxic ventilatory drive as a result of the TRT. You might end up with a CPAP fixture in your room, but it would sure beat the hell out of 3-4 hours of sleep and the concomitant decrease in the overall quality of life.

BTW.... on the flip side - if it is sleep apnea, the solution could be as simple as a mouthpiece. Good luck.

[llahhsoj]

MusclePharm's Bullet Proof is a great sleep aid. It is one of my favorite MP products.

[NO HYPE]

MusclePharm's Bullet Proof is a great sleep aid. It is one of my favorite MP products.

Unless Bullet Proof [or any supplement for that matter] has a stronger pharmacodynamic impact than that of k-pins.... I don't think it's gonna do much for the OP's issues --> especially in the face of what may very well be an apneic-related issue.

[wheytoday]

Unless Bullet Proof [or any supplement for that matter] has a stronger pharmacodynamic impact than that of k-pins.... I don't think it's gonna do much for the OP's issues --> especially in the face of what may very well be an apneic-related issue.

He's a MusclePharm rep. He's paid to spew that garbage.

[aaronuconn]

He's a MusclePharm rep. He's paid to spew that garbage.

It's not a bad option for someone with less severe issues than the OP.

[misfit28]

Man, sleep apnea is no joke.

I had it for years, and was way more overweight than you. Mine, of course, stemmed from obesity.

I used my CPAP religiously, and felt SO much better. Now, I no longer need it after dropping about 117 lbs.

I hope you get this taken care of quickly, I know exactly how you feel!

[GigaPaladin]

6 milligrams of melatonin is counterproductive and might be whats keeping you awake in the first place, 1 mg is a more effective dose tbh:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mic..._b_820426.html