Shredding Fat With... Peanut Butter?

[jrueff7]

Because common sense would tell someone not to go out of their way to ingest ridiculous amounts of the stuff, and it is a common sense approach that no food inherently is bad, its eating too much that is "unhealthy" (1000+ calorie surplus with zero exercise every day for years).
There are trans fats in nutella, i eat a table spoon of nutella every day, it will never cause any problems, one has a better chance of the emergency door on an airplane falling off mid-flight and sucking them out of the cabin.

Lol - great visual. And true statement.

[jrueff7]

- the highest thermic effect comes from protein, of which peanuts are a poor source. If you were going to use TEF as a criteria, lean meat has a much higher TEF.
- The average American has no shortage of omega 6 fatty acids in his diet, the prevailing theory is we should be replacing some of those with Omega 3 sources such as those found in fish. This is why we all take fish oil.
- your study does not apply to body builders cutting, we eat protein in quantities that assures we have no shortage of any amino acids like those referenced. It may be valid to an average joe or vegetarian.
- for a cutting food to be considered good it needs to provide good satiety and easily fit into your macros ....peanut butter does nether.

http://www.bmj.com/press-releases/20...sease-guidance

Newer studies contradict the health benefits of omega 6

Before I start running my mouth - I respect your experience, knowledge, etc. I learn through debate (learned about 3 or 4 new things from you already, so thank you).

That said, here's my thoughts on the last point "for a cutting food to be considered good it needs to provide good satiety and easily fit into your macros ....peanut butter does nether.":

This is my current caloric deficit:

Total Caloric Intake: 2400 kcals
Protein: 189g @ 756 kcals
Fat: 85g @ 765 kcals

So after my protein and fat calories are deducted I’m left with 879 calories I can use on anything. (2400 kcals – 1521 kcals). For me PB fits easily into my macros; I think its around 90 calories tops per tablespoon.

As for satiety, I think you may have a good point - on the satiety index they rank at 84% but also have an extremely low glycemic index (2).

If we're comparing to cake-65%, doughnuts- 68%, or croissants-47%, PB would rank pretty well.

If we're comparing to other delicious foods like Ice cream-96%, Yogurt-88%, or Cookies-120%, it doesn't measure up quite as well.

But then again, ice cream and cookies contain saturated fat, tons of sugar, and unnecessary dairy (bloat factor). Yogurt is a better choice, but only by 4%. And chocolate protein/peanut butter shakes taste like a frosty liquid Reeses.

Again, respect to you - but I think PB holds its own in my nutrient-packed food regimen, cutting diet or no.

[Electricheadd]

Before I start running my mouth - I respect your experience, knowledge, etc. I learn through debate (learned about 3 or 4 new things from you already, so thank you).

That said, here's my thoughts on the last point "for a cutting food to be considered good it needs to provide good satiety and easily fit into your macros ....peanut butter does nether.":

This is my current caloric deficit:

Total Caloric Intake: 2400 kcals
Protein: 189g @ 756 kcals
Fat: 85g @ 765 kcals

So after my protein and fat calories are deducted I’m left with 879 calories I can use on anything. (2400 kcals – 1521 kcals). For me PB fits easily into my macros; I think its around 90 calories tops per tablespoon.

As for satiety, I think you may have a good point - on the satiety index they rank at 84% but also have an extremely low glycemic index (2).

If we're comparing to cake-65%, doughnuts- 68%, or croissants-47%, PB would rank pretty well.

If we're comparing to other delicious foods like Ice cream-96%, Yogurt-88%, or Cookies-120%, it doesn't measure up quite as well.

But then again, ice cream and cookies contain saturated fat, tons of sugar, and unnecessary dairy (bloat factor). Yogurt is a better choice, but only by 4%. And chocolate protein/peanut butter shakes taste like a frosty liquid Reeses.

Again, respect to you - but I think PB holds its own in my nutrient-packed food regimen, cutting diet or no.

I am enjoying the debate, I honestly believe peanuts are a fine food I just don't believe them to be a great cutting food. More to the point, what you just described in bold are called discretionary calories and they are the cornerstone of IIFYM. These are calories allotted after you have met your macro guidelines for the day and you can surely use peanut butter to fill them, but then again you could also use pepperoni pizza, there is go qualification to fit into discretionary calories. IMHO to fit into the "good cutting" food category it should be a food high in protein or satiety or better yet both. (egg whites are the king IMHO)

That said, lets take your example and apply it to a person who is 5'9 175 looking to cut to a very low body fat and wants to avoid ketosis. He is likely going to have to cut under 2000 calories, for sake of my example ill use 1800.

Protein - 160g (640 calories)
Fat - 70g (630 calories)
Carbs - 125g (500)
Total Discretionary Calories 1800 - 1670 = 130 calories

As you can see my guy doesn't have a lot of room for discretionary calories so its very important that he makes very good food choices. A shake with 700 calories of peanut butter in it is simply not going to fit.

[Halfway]

lol not for me, I'll binge eat that stuff like a fat chick on prom night. 1000 cals in a few minutes and you're left with nothing but self disgust and an empty stomach.

agree with the other bro that the stuff just isn't good for satiety

[anthonyUTM]

LOL there is nothing wrong with peanut butter, I say it sucks for satiety/macro reasons its much more of a personal observation. Its low protein, high fat and not very filling.

Fills me right up, I needed more calories for the day because I was way too low so I are a couple spoonfuls because I had to run to work. Working an assembly til 12:30 am sucks btw lol

[jrueff7]

I am enjoying the debate, I honestly believe peanuts are a fine food I just don't believe them to be a great cutting food. More to the point, what you just described in bold are called discretionary calories and they are the cornerstone of IIFYM. These are calories allotted after you have met your macro guidelines for the day and you can surely use peanut butter to fill them, but then again you could also use pepperoni pizza, there is go qualification to fit into discretionary calories. IMHO to fit into the "good cutting" food category it should be a food high in protein or satiety or better yet both. (egg whites are the king IMHO)

That said, lets take your example and apply it to a person who is 5'9 175 looking to cut to a very low body fat and wants to avoid ketosis. He is likely going to have to cut under 2000 calories, for sake of my example ill use 1800.

Protein - 160g (640 calories)
Fat - 70g (630 calories)
Carbs - 125g (500)
Total Discretionary Calories 1800 - 1670 = 130 calories

As you can see my guy doesn't have a lot of room for discretionary calories so its very important that he makes very good food choices. A shake with 700 calories of peanut butter in it is simply not going to fit.

I think the main issue we disagree on is the concept of Discretionary calories. I don't view them as throw away calories, although they can be used this way at no fault to the person doing this.

Discretionary calories can still be used to further a person's cutting goals. That's why they're discretionary; at the user's discretion, meaning you can stuff yourself with pizza with your leftover calories, but use your discretion - if you're able, choosing better food choices will further your goals at a more efficient rate.

The example you gave makes sense, but that person is not me - my discretionary calories are still 879 and I'm guessing my body type is not very unique, that is, there are a lot of people with a similar body type, height and weight.

My point is that where discretionary calories are concerned, PB and chocolate protein is still a better choice than my other dessert options, and when I'm cutting this choice is vital to the efficiency of the process.

So many people (and this isn't a bad thing) decide to use their discretionary calories as "throw away" calories, but it's more efficient, and just as fulfilling to use these calories on one of my favorite desserts, the PB and choco protein shake.

[jrueff7]

lol not for me, I'll binge eat that stuff like a fat chick on prom night. 1000 cals in a few minutes and you're left with nothing but self disgust and an empty stomach.

agree with the other bro that the stuff just isn't good for satiety

We both agree that PB isn't the best in the satiety department. For me it's better in choosing a good dessert.

And 1000 cals in two minutes feels pretty good when it tastes good and you can justify it.

Also - what is your neck routine?