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02-17-2013, 02:07 PM
#181
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02-17-2013, 02:28 PM
#182
Banned
Originally Posted by beastmode47
All I have to say about concentration of EAA content being insignificant is.... wow. Retardedness. Now I have truly discovered the bias of WTL. First, you accuse me of being an ON rep/blind fanboy. But now that I admitted the superiority of another protein product over ON Hydrowhey, you can no longer bash on me about that, and now you find something else to whine and fuss about... the displaying of the amino acid profile mass per whatever serving.. LOL @ EAA being insignificant. EAAs are needed to synthesize protein. Without EAA, no damn nonEAA will be produced and no proteins will be synthesized. If only you could see how petty and dumb you're sounding.
I don't even know why I'm surprised that you're bashing companies who display their amino acid profile. Tru Nutrition Sciences doesn't do it. Oh but wait! There's a Leucine profile on the website for Wheyology and Iso-ology, and it's highly advertised on there and the jugs! So I guess Tru Nutrtion Sciences also has "a ploy to take advantage of ignorant consumers who don't realize that all proteins are made of amino acids." Nuts and tofu have amino acids, so I assume you're implying that these protein foods will yield the same result as whey protein. Amazing logic (sarcasm).
That will be the last response you'll get from me because I've come to terms that your arguments will always be in support of your godly Trutein. Guess I know now who the bigger blind fanboy here is.
I just explained why you're claims are inaccurate in another thread. You really should be paying me to teach you about everything.
Originally Posted by BetterThanLife
Most of us are eating over 1 g/lb of protein daily. You'll probably be fine consuming that amount of protein from just about any source. It's really only the combination of low protein AND single low-quality source where it truly matters. This is why the research on protein quality is aimed at those in third world countries who are starving to death. All high-quality proteins, including milk, eggs, meats, fish, casein, whey, and soy can readily meet the amino acid requirements for adults. From the standpoint of amino acid profile, there isn’t much of a functional difference between proteins, because the amino acid profile that shows up in the bloodstream tends to have very little relation to the amino acid of the proteins being eaten. The body will simply ensure that the aminos which are needed reach the target tissues and the ones that are not are disposed of. Assuming sufficient high-quality proteins are being consumed in the first place, there should be more than enough of all of the amino acids present without any specific amino acid profile being required.

As always, if you have any evidence whatsoever or logical reason to suggest that I am wrong, I'm open to learning something new. I'm trying to help you because it seems like you’re lost. Learning is a good thing, and you should give it a try every now and then. You might learn something about the difference between overhyped claims and reality.
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02-17-2013, 02:52 PM
#183
Registered User
WTL, don't flatter yourself. You're not teaching me anything. Things you spit out like all forms of protein will yield the same exact results, EAA is insignificant, and all other mumbo jumbo is nothing but bro science, just another form of it. Also, provide some evidence that all wheys are 50% EAA. And no! Do not grab the data for Hydrowhey (15.5g EAA over 30g Protein, making it 52% EAA) or SAN Platinum Isolate Supreme (14.8g EAA over 27g Protein, making it 55% EAA). I mean, how would you know how much EAA there is in a protein supplement when most companies don't even disclose mass of amino acids per serving? Where are you grabbing this whole "All wheys are 50% EAA" balogna? Kinda like how you made an extremely bold claim that most whey products are 25 to 30% BCAA when in reality, it's more like 22% (oh yes, numbers wise, that may not be a big difference, but it's a percentage so it's pretty significant. Think of the difference between 10% discount vs 15% discount, as the price gets higher). So please, show me a Tru Science Protein with transparent labels that show amino acid profiles? You probably won't find it, so go ahead and feel free to post another protein blend's amino acid profile and I will caculate for you, that protein's EAA percentage out of the whole protein.
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02-17-2013, 03:02 PM
#184
Registered User
I decided to help you out a bit, WTL, in disproving your claim that wheys are 50% EAA. Not too many protein supplements have transparency and disclose the protein's amino acid profile per serving. Out of my 10 searches, I only found Dymatize Iso-100's (amino acid profile). In one serving, there is a total of 11.9g EAA and 25g Protein. That makes it 47.6% EAA (while ON Hydrowhey is 52% and SAN Platinum Isolate is 55%). I would assume most wheys fall somewhere below that. I wouldn't assume if more companies actually disclosed their amino acid profiles.
Amino acids are the building blocks of protein so I find it retarded that you claim their insignificance. It's one thing to claim BCAA's insignificance (which I disagree with), but now you're going even further to put EAA into that category.
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02-17-2013, 03:12 PM
#185
Banned
Originally Posted by BetterThanLife
There shouldn't be much variance from one whey protein to another. All whey should be in the range of 50% EAA. I can't imagine a more useless conversation than comparing amino acid profiles of high-quality proteins. It might be an issue for someone who is consuming very low amounts of piss poor quality protein, but for anyone who has access to the internet and can view this forum, it's irrelevant. I always thought listing the amino acid profile was merely a ploy to take advantage of ignorant consumers who don't realize that all proteins are made of amino acids. If grocery stores listed aminos on meat and dairy products, people would be less impressed by their protein powder.
Originally Posted by beastmode47
provide some evidence that all wheys are 50% EAA... SAN Platinum Isolate Supreme (14.8g EAA over 27g Protein, making it 55% EAA... Dymatize Iso-100's (amino acid profile). In one serving, there is a total of 11.9g EAA and 25g Protein. That makes it 47.6% EAA
Thanks for making it easier by proving my point for me this time . No matter how many you look at, they will fall within the range of 50% EAA. It must be magic.
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02-17-2013, 03:16 PM
#186
Registered User
Originally Posted by BetterThanLife
Thanks for making it easier by proving my point for me this time  . No matter how many you look at, they will fall within the range of 50% EAA. It must be magic.
And to you thinking without much effort into numbers, 47.6% is not a significant difference from 50%? Are you nuts? These numbers aren't raw, but rather a percentage. That's a pretty significant amount. The difference is even more impactful when 47.6% is pitted against 55%. Now what more when the EAA profile falls below 47.6%?
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02-17-2013, 03:18 PM
#187
Registered Potato
Only protein im taking is celltech. All my friends tell me its basically better than steroids.
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02-17-2013, 03:31 PM
#188
Banned
Originally Posted by beastmode47
And to you thinking without much effort into numbers, 47.6% is not a significant difference from 50%? Are you nuts? These numbers aren't raw, but rather a percentage. That's a pretty significant amount. The different is even more impactful when 47.6% is pitted against 55%. Now what more when the EAA profile falls below 47.6%?
It is totally and utterly insignificant. Refer to post #182 for more info. You keep dreaming that a small variance in amino acids makes a world of difference. By getting enough total dietary protein, there's already an abundance of those compounds in the diet, and more than enough to cover maximal rates of growth or muscle retention. This is why supplementing the diet with additional BCAA/EAA is pretty useless when the intake of high-quality proteins is adequate, since plenty of EAA content is already present. Just eating more protein won't put muscle on you and eating protein beyond a certain point (sufficient to maximize gains from the stimulus of training) won't do anything either.
It's not like we all didn't believe the same things you do when we first began training. Your beliefs come straight out of a magazine ad, and eventually you'll escape that mess... or you'll continue living in a fantasy land where magic supplements are the only way to get results.
Last edited by BetterThanLife; 02-17-2013 at 03:44 PM.
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02-17-2013, 03:35 PM
#189
Registered User
Trutein vanilla, xf mocha whey, xf up cinnamon roll and chocolate mint. Good ****.
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02-17-2013, 03:47 PM
#190
Non-Famous Non-Scientist
Hoping OP got his info before the two mental midgets started comparing the length of their swords.
OP: I have a lot in my stash at the moment: Protean RVC, Protizyme PB Cookie, Giant CnC, XF CR and then a couple of VS blowouts that aren't normally there but ON Chocolate and BSN Vanilla.
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02-17-2013, 03:54 PM
#191
Registered User
Originally Posted by hockeyman224
Trutein vanilla, xf mocha whey, xf up cinnamon roll and chocolate mint. Good ****.
how do u rank the xf mocha whey ?
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02-17-2013, 03:55 PM
#192
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02-17-2013, 03:55 PM
#193
Registered User
nitrotech chocolate, cellucor cinnamon swirl and giant sports vanilla
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02-17-2013, 03:56 PM
#194
Registered User
GNC Whey Protein (original and vanilla).
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02-17-2013, 04:19 PM
#195
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02-17-2013, 09:59 PM
#196
Registered User
Originally Posted by BetterThanLife
It is totally and utterly insignificant. Refer to post #182 for more info. You keep dreaming that a small variance in amino acids makes a world of difference. By getting enough total dietary protein, there's already an abundance of those compounds in the diet, and more than enough to cover maximal rates of growth or muscle retention. This is why supplementing the diet with additional BCAA/EAA is pretty useless when the intake of high-quality proteins is adequate, since plenty of EAA content is already present. Just eating more protein won't put muscle on you and eating protein beyond a certain point (sufficient to maximize gains from the stimulus of training) won't do anything either.
It's not like we all didn't believe the same things you do when we first began training. Your beliefs come straight out of a magazine ad, and eventually you'll escape that mess... or you'll continue living in a fantasy land where magic supplements are the only way to get results.
If my knowledge came from magazines, I'd be eating 6 to 12 times a day (something I have never ever done in over 8 years of lifting), taking pre-workouts, relying on compound movements exclusively, and consuming over 250g protein a day,. I weigh 177 lbs and I would say on my best day, I am able to consume 150g protein a day (to you it may be easy to consume that much protein, but some people just don't have the time due to their type of job to allocate time into accomplishing that. I may not be able to consume 177g protein a day, but the fact that I weigh 177 lbs and stand at 5'7 tells me I'm doing something correctly). I combine what I learned from nutrition and nutrition biochemistry classes back when I was a college kid, what I read on the internet, studies, magazines, and through trial and error (minus the whole 6-12 meals a day crap) and I implement what works and what seems to make logical sense.
Stick to your own biased beliefs, because I am not trying to convert you. You sure as hell won't convince me because it is quite clear that you've got some type of agenda. You're a rep. Enough is said. Goodbye.
Last edited by beastmode47; 02-17-2013 at 10:06 PM.
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02-17-2013, 10:23 PM
#197
Banned
Originally Posted by beastmode47
If my knowledge came from magazines, I'd be eating 6 to 12 times a day (something I have never ever done in over 8 years of lifting), taking pre-workouts, relying on compound movements exclusively, and consuming over 250g protein a day,. I weigh 177 lbs and I would say on my best day, I am able to consume 150g protein a day (to you it may be easy to consume that much protein, but some people just don't have the time due to their type of job to allocate time into accomplishing that. I may not be able to consume 177g protein a day, but the fact that I weigh 177 lbs and stand at 5'7 tells me I'm doing something correctly). I combine what I learned from nutrition and nutrition biochemistry classes back when I was a college kid, what I read on the internet, studies, magazines, and through trial and error (minus the whole 6-12 meals a day crap) and I implement what works and what seems to make logical sense.
Stick to your own biased beliefs, because I am not trying to convert you. You sure as hell won't convince me because it is quite clear that you've got some type of agenda. You're a rep. Enough is said. Goodbye.
Every time you type a bunch of gibberish, I get a perfect vision of you bobbing in front of your computer screen.
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02-17-2013, 10:50 PM
#198
Clandestine Compound
Does drama follow BTL everywhere? Holy ****.
I'm going to be trying Thermolife Vasolate and Xtreme Formulations UP2.0 Butterscotch, both for the first time, on Tuesday. I'm pretty excited.
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02-19-2013, 12:24 PM
#199
I don't workout calves
PROnom nom nom
its so good.. either flavor..
blend up the vanilla with some pb, banana, strawberries..****ing awesome
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02-19-2013, 01:09 PM
#200
Registered User
Dymatize ISO100 vanilla. Add a little cinnamon, add a little honey, add a little cocoa. There's 3 shakes out if this world
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02-19-2013, 01:20 PM
#201
Registered User
XF- LCP, CR, CnC and Butterscotch
Controlled Labs- PROnom CCB
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Muscle Pharm - CnC
Cellucor - Cinnamon Swirl, PBM and CnC
Trutein- Chocolate Dipped Strawberry.
the're a few others, but the rest dont really meet the "taste quota"
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