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    Originally Posted by JOSEF RAKICH View Post
    Supplement with a multivitamin....Tuna health risks as in what? The mercury poisoning?...I wasent talking about the client dieting down to single digits...
    Wow, I'm disappointed in you. Seriously.

    Look, you got busted for providing a terrible diet. Every knowledgeable poster in this thread is calling you out for what you did.

    Why not do the right thing -- admit the error, fix the problem and move on?
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    Originally Posted by WonderPug View Post
    Wow, I'm disappointed in you. Seriously.

    Look, you got busted providing a terrible diet. Every knowledgeable poster in this thread is calling you out for what you did.

    Why not do the right thing -- admit the error, fix the problem and move on?
    He won't admit that he's in the wrong when he has lots of people paying him and under the impression that he has optimal dieting advice for loosing weight.
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    Originally Posted by ThravaThrave View Post
    He won't admit that he's in the wrong when he has lots of people paying him and under the impression that he has optimal dieting advice for loosing weight.
    But he's doing even more damage to his reputation by denying any wrongdoing, when his errors are being exposed so blatantly and repeatedly by numerous knowledgeable posters in this thread.



    Josef, do the right thing. Admit the error, rectify the situation and prevent it from occurring in the future.

    Everyone makes mistakes from time to time, but honorable folks will admit to such and do their best to remediate.
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    Originally Posted by necon76 View Post
    Why would you have someone commence at diet at a fraction over 8 calories per pound of bodyweight?

    Bumping for answer.
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    Looks more like a keto diet to me with an absurd amount of protein intake lol
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    Paid money gets given retarded diet. Answer is take multivitamin...


    If i can be bothered ill plug this into foodworks the nutrition software and see how deficient it is in everything.
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    Originally Posted by Ahmed81 View Post
    ...??
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    you are aware
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    Maybe I'm jumping on the wrong boat here, but I just don't see the merit in hating on Josef when he's pretty much done exactly what was asked of him.

    There is no wonder drug, just hard work. Nobody seems to want to acknowledge that starting out trying to lose weight. Every micro nutrient can be supplemented with, supplements as 90% of everybody on this forum does one way or another and anything else is negligible in calories. Eat some broccoli, have a salad, try some apples, it's not going to add up much. If it does? do cardio. It's seemingly common sense.

    It's one thing to say the product he sells isn't worth the pricetag, but to go so far as to say he's done something wrong or posted a poor or even so far as a dangerous meal plan is kind of ludicrous to me.

    People will buy anything like this because they don't want to do the work themselves and they want a seemingly easy way out. He's just providing them comfort with a vague synopsis. In this case results =/= the money you spend, it's the time. All he does is paint them a pretty picture, gives them a linear fool proof road map to their destination and validates it all with the assurance it works by advertisement of his own success and physique.

    What's more ridiculous to you people? the fact that one would dare try to make money off of the lazy, unmotivated and uneducated, or those very lazy, unmotivated and uneducated wanting to buy a product that screams easy mode?

    I've made a tangent however, my main point is this: It's one thing to criticize his 'ethics' or 'morals' in this situation, but to try to demonize the diet outside of what it is just seems to come from everybody being butthurt on OP's behalf.

    It sucks that he got ripped off, but he didn't get scammed. He just spent his money poorly instead of learning what he needed to himself. There is no easy way out. No 'easy mode' Not unless you're celebrity rich.
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    Originally Posted by JOSEF RAKICH View Post
    - Protein requirements are met

    - Fat requirements are met

    - Remaining calories are filled up with carbs, protein and fat.

    - Total calories are in a deficit under OP's TDEE.

    - Follow this and OP you will lose fat and get results.

    - Has anyone else in this thread even dieted down to single digits before, just everyone with no AVI's.

    - OP if you are not happy, I'm am more than happy to give you a full re-fund on your purchase no problem.
    ive dieted to single digits and maintained it on a diet that is much more diverse than this.
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    Originally Posted by MrZombieSteve View Post

    It's one thing to say the product he sells isn't worth the pricetag, but to go so far as to say he's done something wrong or posted a poor or even so far as dangerous meal plan is kind of ludicrous to me.

    Advertising a plan as being tailored to individual needs, yet not providing an individually tailored diet is fraudulent.
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    Originally Posted by necon76 View Post
    Advertising a plan as being tailored to individual needs, yet not providing an individually tailored diet is fraudulent.
    'individually tailored' can mean a lot of things given the context that it's stated in. I'm not saying it's worth a lick of spit let alone the price he offers, nor am I defending the package it came in, I AM however arguing the 'legitimacy' of the diet itself. Especially to those that would consider it 'poor' or 'dangerous' I mean, come on.

    As I said before, I didn't particularly want to 'jump on' this boat but all things considered the product was what he said it was, even if it's the bare minimum. such is the risks of throwing money at a problem in hopes of a shortcut.
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    Originally Posted by MrZombieSteve View Post
    'individually tailored' can mean a lot of things given the context that it's stated in. I'm not saying it's worth a lick of spit let alone the price he offers, nor am I defending the package it came in, I AM however arguing the 'legitimacy' of the diet itself. Especially to those that would consider it 'poor' or 'dangerous' I mean, come on.

    As I said before, I didn't particularly want to 'jump on' this boat but all things considered the product was what he said it was, even if it's the bare minimum. such is the risks of throwing money at a problem in hopes of a shortcut.
    I get where you're coming from, but what people here are pointing out is this diet is dangerous and very unhealthy, even in the short-term. OP may not have known this and could have become ill or adversely effected by this "meal plan"; posters in this section are simply looking out for his safety while insisting Josef explain the reasoning to such an absurd diet.
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    Originally Posted by MrZombieSteve View Post
    'individually tailored' can mean a lot of things given the context that it's stated in.

    It really can't. It means that something is custom designed to suit one's specific needs.
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    Originally Posted by WonderPug View Post
    Wow, I'm disappointed in you. Seriously.

    Look, you got busted for providing a terrible diet. Every knowledgeable poster in this thread is calling you out for what you did.

    Why not do the right thing -- admit the error, fix the problem and move on?
    The unfortunate thing is he has a sticky in the "Fat Loss" thread where he markets this. Shame he has such a platform to sell this garbage on here.
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    Originally Posted by JOSEF RAKICH View Post
    - Has anyone else in this thread even dieted down to single digits before, just everyone with no AVI's.
    Yes, I'm single digits now and I still think your client's diet structure is atrocious. Even on my ultra low calorie days (~2000kCals) I'm eating a wide variety of whole, minimally processed food items that are both delicious and satiating. Three protein shakes a day? Really?
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    Originally Posted by necon76 View Post
    It really can't. It means that something is custom designed to suit one's specific needs.
    I dont intend to be snide or sarcastic by any means, but appreciating the definition of 'context' in how it pertains to the quote youre using and how it was intended IN that quote id have to disagree. I wont sit and nitpick petty differences though I just hope my initial point was understood.i.e. gimmik or not when its too good to be true it always is and it being dangerous is pretty unreasonable. Unhealthy =/= the dangers being implied here it being **** or not.
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    Originally Posted by gbullock32 View Post
    I get where you're coming from, but what people here are pointing out is this diet is dangerous and very unhealthy, even in the short-term. OP may not have known this and could have become ill or adversely effected by this "meal plan"; posters in this section are simply looking out for his safety while insisting Josef explain the reasoning to such an absurd diet.
    i get that and one should be held accountable for beliefs or opinions they carry but you cant deny the gross exaggerations being made here via this being a health hazzard/crisis especially when all is said for short term sustainability not long term. i hardly see him dying even a year on that diet
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    Originally Posted by MrZombieSteve View Post
    Maybe I'm jumping on the wrong boat here, but I just don't see the merit in hating on Josef when he's pretty much done exactly what was asked of him.

    There is no wonder drug, just hard work. Nobody seems to want to acknowledge that starting out trying to lose weight. Every micro nutrient can be supplemented with, supplements as 90% of everybody on this forum does one way or another and anything else is negligible in calories. Eat some broccoli, have a salad, try some apples, it's not going to add up much. If it does? do cardio. It's seemingly common sense.
    He promises personalized meal plans. If you look up the definition of that word, you will see there are standards inherently set --> that you meet requirements. Mr. Rakich believes that as long as some vague copy/paste adds up to the rights calories and macronutrients (which it doesn't) then the "requirements" are fulfilled even though, probably knowingly, the diet is acutely deficient in micronutrients and yes possibly dangerous.

    As to your second paragraph above, it isn't even coherent; you may want to reword it.
    Originally Posted by MrZombieSteve View Post
    It's one thing to say the product he sells isn't worth the pricetag, but to go so far as to say he's done something wrong or posted a poor or even so far as a dangerous meal plan is kind of ludicrous to me.
    Do you realize that this diet is advocating up to 7 times the recommended amount of tuna per week that is considered to be safe from neurodevelopmental health problems?

    (Ginsberg, G., & Toal, B. (2009). Quantitative approach for incorporating methylmercury risks and omega-3 fatty acid benefits in developing species-specific fish consumption advice. Environmental Health Perspectives, 117(2), 267-275.)
    Originally Posted by MrZombieSteve View Post
    People will buy anything like this because they don't want to do the work themselves and they want a seemingly easy way out. He's just providing them comfort with a vague synopsis. In this case results =/= the money you spend, it's the time. All he does is paint them a pretty picture, gives them a linear fool proof road map to their destination and validates it all with the assurance it works by advertisement of his own success and physique.
    Time he took to copy and paste? Fool proof as in so hypocaloric that he's bound to see the number on the scale go down?
    Originally Posted by MrZombieSteve View Post
    What's more ridiculous to you people? the fact that one would dare try to make money off of the lazy, unmotivated and uneducated, or those very lazy, unmotivated and uneducated wanting to buy a product that screams easy mode?
    In one instance an individual is attempting to better themselves, in the other one an individual is attempting to rip off the person trying to better themselves.
    Originally Posted by MrZombieSteve View Post
    It sucks that he got ripped off, but he didn't get scammed. He just spent his money poorly instead of learning what he needed to himself. There is no easy way out. No 'easy mode' Not unless you're celebrity rich.
    He did get scammed. When a person tries to increase monetary gain by selling a knowingly faulty product would you not consider this a scam?
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    wow at first I thought OP was a ****ing troll.
    regardless of going to single digits there and building on aesthetics there is a health promotion that these so called "nutritionists" registered or self proclaimed should adhere to.

    this diet was built to fail on due to psychological unhappiness

    very disappointed in josef
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    Originally Posted by JOSEF RAKICH View Post
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    Yes I wasent talking about the client dieting down to single digits, I was just asking if anyone in this thread has ever dieted down to single digits before.
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    Originally Posted by MrZombieSteve View Post
    Maybe I'm jumping on the wrong boat here, but I just don't see the merit in hating on Josef when he's pretty much done exactly what was asked of him.

    There is no wonder drug, just hard work. Nobody seems to want to acknowledge that starting out trying to lose weight. Every micro nutrient can be supplemented with, supplements as 90% of everybody on this forum does one way or another and anything else is negligible in calories. Eat some broccoli, have a salad, try some apples, it's not going to add up much. If it does? do cardio. It's seemingly common sense.

    It's one thing to say the product he sells isn't worth the pricetag, but to go so far as to say he's done something wrong or posted a poor or even so far as a dangerous meal plan is kind of ludicrous to me.

    People will buy anything like this because they don't want to do the work themselves and they want a seemingly easy way out. He's just providing them comfort with a vague synopsis. In this case results =/= the money you spend, it's the time. All he does is paint them a pretty picture, gives them a linear fool proof road map to their destination and validates it all with the assurance it works by advertisement of his own success and physique.

    What's more ridiculous to you people? the fact that one would dare try to make money off of the lazy, unmotivated and uneducated, or those very lazy, unmotivated and uneducated wanting to buy a product that screams easy mode?

    I've made a tangent however, my main point is this: It's one thing to criticize his 'ethics' or 'morals' in this situation, but to try to demonize the diet outside of what it is just seems to come from everybody being butthurt on OP's behalf.

    It sucks that he got ripped off, but he didn't get scammed. He just spent his money poorly instead of learning what he needed to himself. There is no easy way out. No 'easy mode' Not unless you're celebrity rich.
    you are jumping on the wrong boat.

    many people there are helpless and what they are doing are taking advantage of people's insecurities. these are the people who are lowest of the low.

    regardless if op should have learned it himself he put his trust into someone.

    its like if you bought from a supplement company who has some amazing creatine but it turned out to be just creatine monohydrate. it will work but wont it piss you off that they ****ed you over?


    the different between josef rakich and all the personal trainers that scam people is the fact that josef is here on the boards ****ing people over when we know better. Atleast we can do something about it on these forums and confront the person causing the problems
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    Originally Posted by HunterCML View Post
    He promises personalized meal plans. If you look up the definition of that word, you will see there are standards inherently set --> that you meet requirements. Mr. Rakich believes that as long as some vague copy/paste adds up to the rights calories and macronutrients (which it doesn't) then the "requirements" are fulfilled even though, probably knowingly, the diet is acutely deficient in micronutrients and yes possibly dangerous.
    I think this is just going to boil down to a difference in semantics so far as defining 'personalized' and the levels in which it pertains to what we're talking about here. The fact that his diet is hopelessly lackluster and that it feeds off of the helpless and needy wanting to change doesn't side-step the simple fact that your supposed dangers are nonexistent.




    Originally Posted by HunterCML View Post
    As to your second paragraph above, it isn't even coherent; you may want to reword it.
    It makes perfect sense, and without coming off condescendingly I can break it down in lamens terms for you easily - There's no better way than doing **** yourself, you're not going to buy results, but if you were to follow what josef says the 'problems' are easily solved by simple supplementation and cessation of over-complicating the situation. i.e. eat some damn fruit/vegetables or vitamins if you want micro-nutrients.


    Originally Posted by HunterCML View Post
    Do you realize that this diet is advocating up to 7 times the recommended amount of tuna per week that is considered to be safe from neurodevelopmental health problems?
    Yeah, it might be bland as all hell, but that 'recommended amount' holds little grounds to reason as there's compelling evidence coming out in the relevant fields pertaining to this subject ( how your body reacts digestively i.e. how it reacts to mercury in tuna) , rather than directly correlating mercury levels in tuna alongside mercuries adverse affect on the human body as your source does. Studies are showing that the mercury content, specifically in tuna, is harmless due to the very high concentration of Selenium in Tuna. Selenium has a extremely high binding attraction and strength with mercury, forming a biologically inactive compound, mercury selenide. It all seems to be pointing towards it being harmless.

    you piss it out.

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    Time he took to copy and paste? Fool proof as in so hypocaloric that he's bound to see the number on the scale go down?
    I wasn't arguing the efficiency, just the fact that it's not dangerous.



    Originally Posted by HunterCML View Post
    In one instance an individual is attempting to better themselves, in the other one an individual is attempting to rip off the person trying to better themselves.

    He did get scammed. When a person tries to increase monetary gain by selling a knowingly faulty product would you not consider this a scam?
    I would by that definition, however this is not necessarily the case, you assume that he himself doesn't think his product works and that he knowing this, is trying to rip people off with full intention. As if he knew what actually worked but was keeping it otherwise super secret. He could just be an uninformed idiot all things considered you know, but not knowing what his intentions are you're right on that so I'll concede the point.



    You seem like a pretty well read guy that knows what he's talking about, so to refrain from turning this into a further ****-show I'll meet you in the middle and only say that it's an unhealthy diet for people to take as set in stone, and that maybe I was a little bit inconsiderate about certain facts and views while making my points. BUYERS BEWARE.

    However, to be fair I never once tried to defend what he's been doing, rather I was merely arguing the claims to danger as being baseless and otherwise unfounded/unsupported.

    Especially when most of it is/was based on misinterpretations of research or broscience, and that although it might not appear that a fair deal was exchanged, as bare bones minimum as it was I still can't say he didn't get what he paid for. Was it personalized like meal plans should be? maybe not. Was it lackluster and minimum effort to the point of it being painful to look at and take seriously? perhaps. Was it fair? he offered to refund it fully so I fail to see the issue.


    Originally Posted by Delgadido View Post
    you are jumping on the wrong boat.

    many people there are helpless and what they are doing are taking advantage of people's insecurities. these are the people who are lowest of the low.

    regardless if op should have learned it himself he put his trust into someone.

    its like if you bought from a supplement company who has some amazing creatine but it turned out to be just creatine monohydrate. it will work but wont it piss you off that they ****ed you over?


    the different between josef rakich and all the personal trainers that scam people is the fact that josef is here on the boards ****ing people over when we know better. Atleast we can do something about it on these forums and confront the person causing the problems
    I admit it's wrong to feed off of peoples insecurities and desires, but it's a market with willing buyers. The only crime here is the fact that he's too drab and uninspiring so far as his professionalism is concerned. He's certainly a bottom of the bucket 'insert whatever he is here' I've bought monohydrate before and that really burned my biscuits but I didn't consider it a scam. Thats like buying apple drink when you wanted apple juice and getting pissed when you just didn't read the fine print on the lable properly.

    All the power to everybody in this forum, and in this thread for helping OP and people like him out when they go to buy products like Josefs thinking it's something it isn't. I'm sure there's better examples of people giving/selling proper diets and routines to those in similar situations, however in my opinion thats just a different shade of rippoff to me. The sole difference here to me is OP just fell for a very ****ty version of the same gimmick. It reminds me of insta-abs.

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    Originally Posted by MrZombieSteve View Post
    I think this is just going to boil down to a difference in semantics so far as defining 'personalized' and the levels in which it pertains to what we're talking about here. The fact that his diet is hopelessly lackluster and that it feeds off of the helpless and needy wanting to change doesn't side-step the simple fact that your supposed dangers are nonexistent.

    It makes perfect sense, and without coming off condescendingly I can break it down in lamens terms for you easily - There's no better way than doing **** yourself, you're not going to buy results, but if you were to follow what josef says the 'problems' are easily solved by simple supplementation and cessation of over-complicating the situation. i.e. eat some damn fruit/vegetables or vitamins if you want micro-nutrients.


    Yeah, it might be bland as all hell, but that 'recommended amount' holds little grounds to reason as there's compelling evidence coming out in the relevant fields pertaining to this subject ( how your body reacts digestively i.e. how it reacts to mercury in tuna) , rather than directly correlating mercury levels in tuna alongside mercuries adverse affect on the human body as your source does. Studies are showing that the mercury content, specifically in tuna, is harmless due to the very high concentration of Selenium in Tuna. Selenium has a extremely high binding attraction and strength with mercury, forming a biologically inactive compound, mercury selenide. It all seems to be pointing towards it being harmless.

    you piss it out.

    I wasn't arguing the efficiency, just the fact that it's not dangerous.

    I would by that definition, however this is not necessarily the case, you assume that he himself doesn't think his product works and that he knowing this, is trying to rip people off with full intention. As if he knew what actually worked but was keeping it otherwise super secret. He could just be an uninformed idiot all things considered you know, but not knowing what his intentions are you're right on that so I'll concede the point.

    You seem like a pretty well read guy that knows what he's talking about, so to refrain from turning this into a further ****-show I'll meet you in the middle and only say that it's an unhealthy diet for people to take as set in stone, and that maybe I was a little bit inconsiderate about certain facts and views while making my points. BUYERS BEWARE.

    However, to be fair I never once tried to defend what he's been doing, rather I was merely arguing the claims to danger as being baseless and otherwise unfounded/unsupported.

    Especially when most of it is/was based on misinterpretations of research or broscience, and that although it might not appear that a fair deal was exchanged, as bare bones minimum as it was I still can't say he didn't get what he paid for. Was it personalized like meal plans should be? maybe not. Was it lackluster and minimum effort to the point of it being painful to look at and take seriously? perhaps. Was it fair? he offered to refund it fully so I fail to see the issue.
    Despite the wordy exchanges I don't think we disagree on much other than:

    1. Your claim of mercury poisoning being a non-existent danger in tuna. Please provide links to the peer-reviewed studies suggested for my and other reader's benefit. Not to call anyone a liar, I just don't take anything word of mouth unless I see it black and white.

    2. I believe he did have full knowledge of the prescribed diet's acute deficiencies and was absolutely not an "uninformed" individual.

    3. Even though I admit that since the OP got his money back, no real "scam" took place necessarily. It's just all the people who don't know better, who will never post about it, who will follow it blindly as is (because they don't know better), will go on with such a bland, micronutrient void and until otherwise proven possibly dangerous diet for a month or more that worry me.

    I feel like we are both too close to the same side of things to really argue on a tangent. I know I come across as a pretentious little prick, and I do apologize for that much. When you're 20 years old and start to become more-so educated, you believe that you know so much more than you actually do.
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    Originally Posted by HunterCML View Post
    Despite the wordy exchanges I don't think we disagree on much other than:

    1. Your claim of mercury poisoning being a non-existent danger in tuna. Please provide links to the peer-reviewed studies suggested for my and other reader's benefit. Not to call anyone a liar, I just don't take anything word of mouth unless I see it black and white.

    2. I believe he did have full knowledge of the prescribed diet's acute deficiencies and was absolutely not an "uninformed" individual.

    3. Even though I admit that since the OP got his money back, no real "scam" took place necessarily. It's just all the people who don't know better, who will never post about it, who will follow it blindly as is (because they don't know better), will go on with such a bland, micronutrient void and until otherwise proven possibly dangerous diet for a month or more that worry me.

    I feel like we are both too close to the same side of things to really argue on a tangent. I know I come across as a pretentious little prick, and I do apologize for that much. When you're 20 years old and start to become more-so educated, you believe that you know so much more than you actually do.
    1. I'm 4 hours away from my home computer at the moment so none of the actual content can be copied or pasted, however I was able to quickly attain a source that sufficiently supports my point if you'd be willing to read into it yourself. edit: once I'm home sometime tomorrow I'll update with more information.

    Ma.Lourdes A. Cuvin-Aralar, Robert W. Furness, Mercury and selenium interaction: A review, Ecotoxicology and Environmental Safety, Volume 21, Issue 3, June 1991, Pages 348-364, ISSN 0147-6513, 10.1016/0147-6513(91)90074-Y.

    (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...4765139190074Y)

    Abstract: 'This paper reviews studies on mercury and selenium interaction. It includes the effects of selenium on mercury toxicity on the organism, organ/tissue, and subcellular levels. The paper also touches on possible mechanisms for the “protective action” of selenium against mercury toxicity and deals briefly with the synergism between the two elements.'


    2. As I explained in the first and second part of that response to your first quote: You base that off of an assumption - an educated one, but a guess none the less and your deficiencies are negligible assuming the individual had a lick of common sense. I suppose I must say, even though it argues against me, that he obviously didn't have any since he ended up where he has. I digress though, with some fruits and vegetables he would have sufficiently quelled his 'micro-nutrient' requirements, lest he suffer painful and immediate death of scurvy or some-such other issue as if it happens over night or as if there are none in non fruits/vegetables. protip: Ground beef has vitamin B and zinc to name a few.

    3. You exaggerate. I know from experience and strict application of common sense. I've been both Over weight and under weight. One from a ****ty lifestyle and the other from an illness and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that there are far worse diets that would sustain an individual for much longer than you're claiming. Your body is much more resilient than you give it credit for. Your bodies genetic imperative to survive is one of the strongest instincts your body is compelled to follow. Stronger than thirst, stronger than sleep or hunger, your body screams to survive and sustain itself on what it can. These implied dangers, while being so awesomely well intended are gross exaggerations.

    You're wrong for all the right reasons, and for that you're an awesome guy. You're still wrong though. Not on everything, surprisingly not in my own defense you're not wrong on most of it. Just wrong on that.
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    Originally Posted by Ahmed81 View Post
    You're 240 lbs eating under 2000 calories, you got ripped off! Why didn't you just read the stickies?
    Actually he's very obese, eating at the level he's at is more than fine.
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    This is kind of getting out of hand,which I did not expect,I hope Josef can fix things so we can proceed
    I wouldn't necessarily buy in to what everyone else is saying either in this thread.

    I have read many studies where people in your situation have eaten minimal calories or even fasted for months to over a year and been perfectly healthy - i believe people in these situations did supplement with vitamins. A lot of nutrients are stored in the cell structures of adipose. You're not going to become unhealthy by not having this kind of diet.

    You need to ask yourself whether you need a super strict diet to instill self discipline in yourself when it comes to dieting. Some people do not do well with having a very free range approach to what they eat, many need a spoon fed strict and bland diet to stay consistent. I'm one of those people, when I aim to lose weight I eat a very bland diet (however it's balanced and all micros are met but I'm in a different situation than you) and it's fairly boring. I am not as successful otherwise, that's just me....and I know a lot of people who are that way. When I bulk or maintain I take a free range approach and incorporate anything I want....but not dieting, and that's why I make sure I don't need to diet very often.

    I would weigh what everyone said and talk to Josef and demand a lot more tailored and one on one interaction. You're paying good money.
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    Originally Posted by MarkVI View Post
    Actually he's very obese, eating at the level he's at is more than fine.


    I wouldn't necessarily buy in to what everyone else is saying either in this thread.

    I have read many studies where people in your situation have eaten minimal calories or even fasted for months to over a year and been perfectly healthy - i believe people in these situations did supplement with vitamins. A lot of nutrients are stored in the cell structures of adipose. You're not going to become unhealthy by not having this kind of diet.

    You need to ask yourself whether you need a super strict diet to instill self discipline in yourself when it comes to dieting. Some people do not do well with having a very free range approach to what they eat, many need a spoon fed strict and bland diet to stay consistent. I'm one of those people, when I aim to lose weight I eat a very bland diet (however it's balanced and all micros are met but I'm in a different situation than you) and it's fairly boring. I am not as successful otherwise, that's just me....and I know a lot of people who are that way. When I bulk or maintain I take a free range approach and incorporate anything I want....but not dieting, and that's why I make sure I don't need to diet very often.

    I would weigh what everyone said and talk to Josef and demand a lot more tailored and one on one interaction. You're paying good money.
    Probably the best post in this thread. People here need to relax and get a grip on physiology.

    Obesity is a partially permanent medical condition. Leptin-resistance, ghrelin-oversecretion during fasted periods, and neuropeptide Y signaling alterations...these things will take years or decades to go away, if they ever do. What does this mean? Addressing the diet of an obese person needs to be tailored for one very specific need: battling hunger. Both pathways of hunger (physiological and reward) will be firing full force and so, in contrast to Josef's recommendations:

    -Very High Protein
    -Moderate carbs (carbs are more satiating on a gram per calorie basis, so they are the preferred fuel source)
    -Low fat (obese individuals can go on low fat diets with zero detriment BESIDES basic EFA needs)

    That covers the "chemistry." From a mechanical standpoint, gastric distention stimulates the vagus nerve for a strong acute block of appetite. Use this to your advantage by consuming high volume foods and water.

    Lastly, daily exercise will improve dopamine and serotonin synthesis (the biochem is sticky so I won't go into it, but aromatic and branched chain amino acids share a common and highly competitive brain transporter) which will attenuate desires to stimulate the reward pathway of hunger, while also keeping mood up in a hypocaloric state
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