02-05-2013, 04:55 PM #61
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Josef, do the right thing. Admit the error, rectify the situation and prevent it from occurring in the future.
Everyone makes mistakes from time to time, but honorable folks will admit to such and do their best to remediate.
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Maybe I'm jumping on the wrong boat here, but I just don't see the merit in hating on Josef when he's pretty much done exactly what was asked of him.
There is no wonder drug, just hard work. Nobody seems to want to acknowledge that starting out trying to lose weight. Every micro nutrient can be supplemented with, supplements as 90% of everybody on this forum does one way or another and anything else is negligible in calories. Eat some broc****, have a salad, try some apples, it's not going to add up much. If it does? do cardio. It's seemingly common sense.
It's one thing to say the product he sells isn't worth the pricetag, but to go so far as to say he's done something wrong or posted a poor or even so far as a dangerous meal plan is kind of ludicrous to me.
People will buy anything like this because they don't want to do the work themselves and they want a seemingly easy way out. He's just providing them comfort with a vague synopsis. In this case results =/= the money you spend, it's the time. All he does is paint them a pretty picture, gives them a linear fool proof road map to their destination and validates it all with the assurance it works by advertisement of his own success and physique.
What's more ridiculous to you people? the fact that one would dare try to make money off of the lazy, unmotivated and uneducated, or those very lazy, unmotivated and uneducated wanting to buy a product that screams easy mode?
I've made a tangent however, my main point is this: It's one thing to criticize his 'ethics' or 'morals' in this situation, but to try to demonize the diet outside of what it is just seems to come from everybody being butthurt on OP's behalf.
It sucks that he got ripped off, but he didn't get scammed. He just spent his money poorly instead of learning what he needed to himself. There is no easy way out. No 'easy mode' Not unless you're celebrity rich.
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As I said before, I didn't particularly want to 'jump on' this boat but all things considered the product was what he said it was, even if it's the bare minimum. such is the risks of throwing money at a problem in hopes of a shortcut.
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02-05-2013, 07:14 PM #81
As to your second paragraph above, it isn't even coherent; you may want to reword it.
(Ginsberg, G., & Toal, B. (2009). Quantitative approach for incorporating methylmercury risks and omega-3 fatty acid benefits in developing species-specific fish consumption advice. Environmental Health Perspectives, 117(2), 267-275.)
IIFYM - not even once.
02-05-2013, 07:24 PM #82
wow at first I thought OP was a ****ing troll.
regardless of going to single digits there and building on aesthetics there is a health promotion that these so called "nutritionists" registered or self proclaimed should adhere to.
this diet was built to fail on due to psychological unhappiness
very disappointed in josef
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02-05-2013, 07:31 PM #84
many people there are helpless and what they are doing are taking advantage of people's insecurities. these are the people who are lowest of the low.
regardless if op should have learned it himself he put his trust into someone.
its like if you bought from a supplement company who has some amazing creatine but it turned out to be just creatine monohydrate. it will work but wont it piss you off that they ****ed you over?
the different between josef rakich and all the personal trainers that scam people is the fact that josef is here on the boards ****ing people over when we know better. Atleast we can do something about it on these forums and confront the person causing the problems
02-05-2013, 09:44 PM #85
you piss it out.
You seem like a pretty well read guy that knows what he's talking about, so to refrain from turning this into a further ****-show I'll meet you in the middle and only say that it's an unhealthy diet for people to take as set in stone, and that maybe I was a little bit inconsiderate about certain facts and views while making my points. BUYERS BEWARE.
However, to be fair I never once tried to defend what he's been doing, rather I was merely arguing the claims to danger as being baseless and otherwise unfounded/unsupported.
Especially when most of it is/was based on misinterpretations of research or broscience, and that although it might not appear that a fair deal was exchanged, as bare bones minimum as it was I still can't say he didn't get what he paid for. Was it personalized like meal plans should be? maybe not. Was it lackluster and minimum effort to the point of it being painful to look at and take seriously? perhaps. Was it fair? he offered to refund it fully so I fail to see the issue.
All the power to everybody in this forum, and in this thread for helping OP and people like him out when they go to buy products like Josefs thinking it's something it isn't. I'm sure there's better examples of people giving/selling proper diets and routines to those in similar situations, however in my opinion thats just a different shade of rippoff to me. The sole difference here to me is OP just fell for a very ****ty version of the same gimmick. It reminds me of insta-abs.
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02-05-2013, 10:30 PM #86
1. Your claim of mercury poisoning being a non-existent danger in tuna. Please provide links to the peer-reviewed studies suggested for my and other reader's benefit. Not to call anyone a liar, I just don't take anything word of mouth unless I see it black and white.
2. I believe he did have full knowledge of the prescribed diet's acute deficiencies and was absolutely not an "uninformed" individual.
3. Even though I admit that since the OP got his money back, no real "scam" took place necessarily. It's just all the people who don't know better, who will never post about it, who will follow it blindly as is (because they don't know better), will go on with such a bland, micronutrient void and until otherwise proven possibly dangerous diet for a month or more that worry me.
I feel like we are both too close to the same side of things to really argue on a tangent. I know I come across as a pretentious little prick, and I do apologize for that much. When you're 20 years old and start to become more-so educated, you believe that you know so much more than you actually do.IIFYM - not even once.
02-05-2013, 10:58 PM #87
Ma.Lourdes A. Cuvin-Aralar, Robert W. Furness, Mercury and selenium interaction: A review, Ecotoxicology and Environmental Safety, Volume 21, Issue 3, June 1991, Pages 348-364, ISSN 0147-6513, 10.1016/0147-6513(91)90074-Y.
Abstract: 'This paper reviews studies on mercury and selenium interaction. It includes the effects of selenium on mercury toxicity on the organism, organ/tissue, and subcellular levels. The paper also touches on possible mechanisms for the “protective action” of selenium against mercury toxicity and deals briefly with the synergism between the two elements.'
2. As I explained in the first and second part of that response to your first quote: You base that off of an assumption - an educated one, but a guess none the less and your deficiencies are negligible assuming the individual had a lick of common sense. I suppose I must say, even though it argues against me, that he obviously didn't have any since he ended up where he has. I digress though, with some fruits and vegetables he would have sufficiently quelled his 'micro-nutrient' requirements, lest he suffer painful and immediate death of scurvy or some-such other issue as if it happens over night or as if there are none in non fruits/vegetables. protip: Ground beef has vitamin B and zinc to name a few.
3. You exaggerate. I know from experience and strict application of common sense. I've been both Over weight and under weight. One from a ****ty lifestyle and the other from an illness and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that there are far worse diets that would sustain an individual for much longer than you're claiming. Your body is much more resilient than you give it credit for. Your bodies genetic imperative to survive is one of the strongest instincts your body is compelled to follow. Stronger than thirst, stronger than sleep or hunger, your body screams to survive and sustain itself on what it can. These implied dangers, while being so awesomely well intended are gross exaggerations.
You're wrong for all the right reasons, and for that you're an awesome guy. You're still wrong though. Not on everything, surprisingly not in my own defense you're not wrong on most of it. Just wrong on that.
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02-05-2013, 11:33 PM #88
I have read many studies where people in your situation have eaten minimal calories or even fasted for months to over a year and been perfectly healthy - i believe people in these situations did supplement with vitamins. A lot of nutrients are stored in the cell structures of adipose. You're not going to become unhealthy by not having this kind of diet.
You need to ask yourself whether you need a super strict diet to instill self discipline in yourself when it comes to dieting. Some people do not do well with having a very free range approach to what they eat, many need a spoon fed strict and bland diet to stay consistent. I'm one of those people, when I aim to lose weight I eat a very bland diet (however it's balanced and all micros are met but I'm in a different situation than you) and it's fairly boring. I am not as successful otherwise, that's just me....and I know a lot of people who are that way. When I bulk or maintain I take a free range approach and incorporate anything I want....but not dieting, and that's why I make sure I don't need to diet very often.
I would weigh what everyone said and talk to Josef and demand a lot more tailored and one on one interaction. You're paying good money.www.xccellence.com
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02-05-2013, 11:56 PM #89
stop taking nutrition advice from him and just read the stickies. If you hate reading, watch NoBull****Bodybuilding's videos on youtube.12/1/12 - 120 lbs ~12% first bulk, only upper body.
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02-06-2013, 01:49 AM #90
Obesity is a partially permanent medical condition. Leptin-resistance, ghrelin-oversecretion during fasted periods, and neuropeptide Y signaling alterations...these things will take years or decades to go away, if they ever do. What does this mean? Addressing the diet of an obese person needs to be tailored for one very specific need: battling hunger. Both pathways of hunger (physiological and reward) will be firing full force and so, in contrast to Josef's recommendations:
-Very High Protein
-Moderate carbs (carbs are more satiating on a gram per calorie basis, so they are the preferred fuel source)
-Low fat (obese individuals can go on low fat diets with zero detriment BESIDES basic EFA needs)
That covers the "chemistry." From a mechanical standpoint, gastric distention stimulates the vagus nerve for a strong acute block of appetite. Use this to your advantage by consuming high volume foods and water.
Lastly, daily exercise will improve dopamine and serotonin synthesis (the biochem is sticky so I won't go into it, but aromatic and branched chain amino acids share a common and highly competitive brain transporter) which will attenuate desires to stimulate the reward pathway of hunger, while also keeping mood up in a hypocaloric state