Bulking on High Protein, Fat, Low Carbs/Sugars

[Michaelmmm]

If I fill my diet with lots of fruits, veggies, fats and proteins and skip the high carb items like pasta, then will this be ok to bulk on at 3k Calories per day? I'm 150lb and I will always take a min of 150g Protein a day and fill the rest in with fats from various things and the carbs from O N L Y fruits/veggies.


Opinons?


EX: 3000 Calories Total (Always 150g Protein @ min)

-1500 from fruits/veggies
-1500 From Fat/Protein


PS: I'm doing this to save money and not go into the high carbs like pasta. Idk if this will also keep me in keto or not? Will it effect my gains negativly?

[MichielN]

Bad idea imo.

You need carbs to support your training, and your brain needs glucose too.
If your body feels it needs more glucose it will turn protein to glucose. If you don't eat enough protein, your body will breakdown muscle for energy (assuming you're not following a ketogenic diet).
The majority of your carbs should be complex, not sugars.
Several other reasons not to do so but I don't feel like making a huge post here.

Why would you want to do that anyway?

[Michaelmmm]

Bad idea imo.

You need carbs to support your training, and your brain needs glucose too.
If your body feels it needs more glucose it will turn protein to glucose. If you don't eat enough protein, your body will breakdown muscle for energy (assuming you're not following a ketogenic diet).
The majority of your carbs should be complex, not sugars.
Several other reasons not to do so but I don't feel like making a huge post here.
Why would you want to do that anyway?

Carbs such as that in Pasta, Breads ect.. give me acne and it becomes a MAJOR issue with me and motivation.
-No I cannot visit a Derm to fix it cause of the Cost as I said above.
-I tried typical stuff at the store and it doesn't help...

[Michaelmmm]

What if I reduce it down to

2000 Cals in Veg/fruit

1000 In for meat/fat/protein shake.


~If the body burns the most of whats it intakes, then wouldnt it burn the fruits/veggies MAJORITY (Carbs/Sugars) and the left over 1000 cals of Protein would go to help muscle growth ect...

[MichielN]

Such a diet is stupid for a lot of reasons.

[germaine07]

High carb foods like pasta, rice and bread are cheap. Protein is expensive. If you want to save money, load up on carbs and just hit the required amount of protein.

Anyway, you will be able to bulk fine if you do take the route you suggested. Perhaps may be more efficient to add some starch though.

[psychodiver9]

Such a diet is stupid for a lot of reasons.

Please explain why? If op enjoys his diet and meets his macro targets what is the problem? He will clearly meet micro needs

[Ggrodgers]

Carbs such as that in Pasta, Breads ect.. give me acne and it becomes a MAJOR issue with me and motivation.
-No I cannot visit a Derm to fix it cause of the Cost as I said above.
-I tried typical stuff at the store and it doesn't help...

Are you sure you aren't gluten intolerant?

[rand18m]

Please explain why? If op enjoys his diet and meets his macro targets what is the problem? He will clearly meet micro needs

Op this^^

If you enjoy keeping carbohydrates low and find you don't have issues with energy during your workouts or anytime for that matter, then fine. At your age I'm sure reducing your acne is a bit more important than slightly less productive workouts and I don't blame you!!

There are some things more important than lifting weights!

[rand18m]

Are you sure you aren't gluten intolerant?

Not sure if that has anything to do with acne, but if so, his solution is still the same!

[MichielN]

Please explain why? If op enjoys his diet and meets his macro targets what is the problem? He will clearly meet micro needs

Will he?

He will have to get the majority of his carbs from fruit. Most sugars in fruit are fructose and sucrose (which is also half fructose).
Fructose can't replenish muscle glycogen, only liver glycogen. Liver glycogen isn't very difficult to fill, thus excess fructose and sucrose might contribute to fat gains than complex carbs (which is glucose).
Not being able to replenish muscle glycogen will obviously hurt your training in the long run.

Furthermore, fructose increases triglycerides and doesn't have a very good impact on cholesterolratios.
Also, fructose doesn't make you full.
Also, eating a lot of fruit and veggies means a very high intake of fibre, which isn't desirable.

[AlwaysTryin]

You don't consider fruit high carb OP?

[Ggrodgers]

There are in many cases a clear relationship between acne outgrowths and gluten intolerance. Being allergic to gluten does not necessarily mean you just immediately start soiling yourself, or whatever!

So yes, OP it's worth looking into if you're gluten intolerant - just eliminate all gluten-containing products from your diet.

[Michaelmmm]

Bump, always look for more feedback.

PS: I started the diet with 1,500 cal = Carbs/Sugar from Fruits/Veggies + 1,500 Cal = Fat/Protein Mix

W/Of course My weight 150lb = 150g of protein in the mix.

[Michaelmmm]

bump

[EjnarKolinkar]

Will he?

He will have to get the majority of his carbs from fruit. Most sugars in fruit are fructose and sucrose (which is also half fructose).
Fructose can't replenish muscle glycogen, only liver glycogen. Liver glycogen isn't very difficult to fill, thus excess fructose and sucrose might contribute to fat gains than complex carbs (which is glucose).
Not being able to replenish muscle glycogen will obviously hurt your training in the long run.

Furthermore, fructose increases triglycerides and doesn't have a very good impact on cholesterolratios.
Also, fructose doesn't make you full.
Also, eating a lot of fruit and veggies means a very high intake of fibre, which isn't desirable.

Assuming he ate enough fruits with good sucrose content, and got carbs from veg how could he possibly not replenish muscle glycogen? This is a ridiculous argument, when OP's described macro intake is taken into account. 1500 calories from fruits and vegetables and you are trying to convince him he is going to get fat, high triglycerides, develop a bad cholesterol ratio, suck at workouts, and take in too much fiber?

OP if you prefer vegetables and fruits, work to compose a good balance of foods and enjoy. Don't listen to this fellow, he thinks your eating 4500 calories a day of powdered fructose. He has his study upside down.

[Michaelmmm]

Assuming he ate enough fruits with good sucrose content, and got carbs from veg how could he possibly not replenish muscle glycogen? This is a ridiculous argument, when OP's described macro intake is taken into account. 1500 calories from fruits and vegetables and you are trying to convince him he is going to get fat, high triglycerides, develop a bad cholesterol ratio, suck at workouts, and take in too much fiber?

OP if you prefer vegetables and fruits, work to compose a good balance of foods and enjoy. Don't listen to this fellow, he thinks your eating 4500 calories a day of powdered fructose. He has his study upside down.

i like u

[nojennyno]

I think it's fine. My carb intake sounds similar to yours, which is strictly controlled by my trainer - except I am maintaining with high protein at 1500. About 700 comes from protein, 200 from fat, and rest are carbs from veggies and whole grains. I'm not allowed much sugar at all.