I'm an Extremist....moderation smoderation! HELP- newbie!

[Mishka1989]

Okay guys, I've been reading these forums like crazy! I need help and figured I'd go straight to the people who know all the ins and outs. I'm trying to lose fat...and QUICKLY. I have finally had the revelation that I'm an extremist...I function best on very strict/difficult tasks! So I decided to apply it to my everyday dieting life to get results.

Goals: Lose as much fat as possible in the shortest amount of time (we're talking 8-15 weeks...cutting cycle??)
Gain some strength, esp upper body strength.

I am vegan, and just did a 2 week cleanse made up of fruits, veggies, and lean protein. I got great results but I ate ONLY 500-800 cals a day. I would like to come up with something I can stick to, more like a cutting cycle, but a strict one at that. I don't want to mess up my metabolism. I have 32 lbs of fat on me BTW-- GO HARD OR GO HOME IS MY MOTTO! So this is what I've come up with:

Daily Diet: (can be found on myfitnesspal.com/mgbur01 see the log for monday feb 4)
Whole grain wrap cals 210
gardein chick'n Scallopini cals 110
1 tbsp honey mustard cals 36

1-2 cups fresh fruit-- melons or berries

1 tbsp peanut butter cals 105

2 salads made up of:
2 cups spring mix greens cals 40
8 baby carrots, raw cals 42
1/2 pepper cals 25
1 cup of white kidney beans, navy beans, garbanzo beans cals ~210
1 oz raw almonds cals 85
amy's kitchen organic california burger (might eliminate this and try to replace it with something w another protein shake-- the burger's got 300mg sodium) cals 150
1 tbsp italian dressing cals 40
topped with about 3 tbsp nutritional yeast which I don't know the calories on, but has good vitamins and helps the taste.

then finish the day with a protein shake after my nightly workout
gemma pea protein from true nutrition cals 104
1 cup light soy or coconut milk cals 45


Macros: 45% carbs/ 24% protein/ 31% fat (obviously if i replace the amy's burger with a protein shake my protein will be a little higher)

This comes out to 1251 calories and total protein is 78 grams. I exercise 6x a week- for the past 2 weeks I've been doing 30 mins interval training on the treadmill (1 min of about 6.0 pace, 10 incline every 3-4 mins) and weight lifting...alternating upper and lower body, 12-15 reps...feeling the burn when I reach 10. Saturdays I add in a SS 45 min cardio jog instead of the interval (jog for about 25 mins, then walk for maybe 5-10 mins, then jog again to finish, and I go swimming for 30 mins to stretch out my muscles and get a little more cardio, but I don't kill myself in the pool. I just love swimming haha and the cold water feels great!

Let me just recap that my goal is to lose fat as quickly as possible. I work for a modeling agency and just started going out on auditions so I want to get my measurements down. Eventually I will look into fitness modeling, but for now I'm trying to get LEAN. by the end of the week I'll be drinking about 100+ oz of water. (I drink 64 at least as of late).
The last measurements I had were taken in October. I gained some muscle since then and lost some fat, but I haven't remeasured since.
Bust: 34D
Waist: 28
Hips: 38

I have also thought of possibly doing another 1 week cleanse of low calories, mainly fruits and veggies with some protein. Then resume the above diet for a week or two, then repeat. I don't want to do a low calorie diet for too long (under 1100 is low to me) because I'm afraid I will gain pure fat if I have a cheat day.

Also, on the topic of cheat days/meals...what do you all recommend? All I want on a cheat day is fruit snacks, chocolate, a Luna or good Greens protein bar, and potato bread toast. I could easily eat 1000+ cals of these, but I think if I control it and allow myself 300 cals of fruit snacks, 200 cals for chocolate, I might not go crazyyyy if I know it's okay and won't totally sabotage me.


Any ideas on this diet? Are my macros all out of whack? Should I be cycling some other way, or just sticking to this diet? Cheat day/ no cheat day? You guys would be an awesome help to me, thanks in advance!!!

[Brofessor]

Goals: Lose as much fat as possible in the shortest amount of time (we're talking 8-15 weeks...cutting cycle??)

I stopped reading here because I don't have time to read the rest. It's fantastic to be excited about your new adventure, but you can't rush your success here.

[snorkelman]

You must have missed this sticky:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=129523333

[Tdiguy]

500-800 calories a day lol...extremeist lol no retarded more like it

[Mishka1989]

500-800 calories a day lol...extremeist lol no retarded more like it

not when you only do it for a short amount of time!

[Tdiguy]

not when you only do it for a short amount of time!

More then one day is to long....so yes still retarded....even 1 day is pushing it, my 10lb fukin dog eats more then you

[Mishka1989]

More then one day is to long....so yes still retarded....even 1 day is pushing it, my 10lb fukin dog eats more then you

k moving on...

i follow a 1200 cal diet now...

[Tdiguy]

k moving on...

i follow a 1200 cal diet now...

lol right on moved on from dog sized calories to 12 year old girls sounds like your gonna screw your health up keep it up

[spaceghostboogi]

There are ways to tailor a caloric intake to fit your body now and goals.
I for one dont think your an extremist though.
You wanna really get lean fast man
500-800?
Psh
Try 0 calories for 8 to 15 weeks
Youll be sick shredded bro bro

[Mishka1989]

lol right on moved on from dog sized calories to 12 year old girls sounds like your gonna screw your health up keep it up

weight loss diets for a woman of my stats start at 1200 cals...

[Mishka1989]

There are ways to tailor a caloric intake to fit your body now and goals.
I for one dont think your an extremist though.
You wanna really get lean fast man
500-800?
Psh
Try 0 calories for 8 to 15 weeks
Youll be sick shredded bro bro

ana isn't my thing anymore... not sure if you're being sarcastic. also, i'm a girl.

[spaceghostboogi]

ana isn't my thing anymore... not sure if you're being sarcastic. also, i'm a girl.

Yea like i said in the first part of my post pre trolling, look into body types, fitness and nutrition goals, know where you are now and where you wanna be then.
Then apply a caloric amount to that.
But if you do start counting calories just know that it should be strict maintenance or you want be to happy with the results

[Mishka1989]

Yea like i said in the first part of my post pre trolling, look into body types, fitness and nutrition goals, know where you are now and where you wanna be then.
Then apply a caloric amount to that.
But if you do start counting calories just know that it should be strict maintenance or you want be to happy with the results

eh, i know where i am now, and i know where i wanna be....so i'm not really sure what you're getting at.

[spaceghostboogi]

eh, i know where i am now, and i know where i wanna be....so i'm not really sure what you're getting at.

Well see you jumped from 500-800 calories to 1200 calories which made me think you dont have a grasp on how many calories you should be taking in
If you are excerscising and eating right ( and im not talking about subway and chipotle and fast food salads) then you really dont have to count your calories (imo)

[Wiiownz16]

Okay guys, I've been reading these forums like crazy! I need help and figured I'd go straight to the people who know all the ins and outs. I'm trying to lose fat...and QUICKLY. I have finally had the revelation that I'm an extremist...I function best on very strict/difficult tasks! So I decided to apply it to my everyday dieting life to get results.

Goals: Lose as much fat as possible in the shortest amount of time (we're talking 8-15 weeks...cutting cycle??)
Gain some strength, esp upper body strength.

I am vegan, and just did a 2 week cleanse made up of fruits, veggies, and lean protein. I got great results but I ate ONLY 500-800 cals a day. I would like to come up with something I can stick to, more like a cutting cycle, but a strict one at that. I don't want to mess up my metabolism. I have 32 lbs of fat on me BTW-- GO HARD OR GO HOME IS MY MOTTO! So this is what I've come up with:

Daily Diet: (can be found on myfitnesspal.com/mgbur01 see the log for monday feb 4)
Whole grain wrap cals 210
gardein chick'n Scallopini cals 110
1 tbsp honey mustard cals 36

1-2 cups fresh fruit-- melons or berries

1 tbsp peanut butter cals 105

2 salads made up of:
2 cups spring mix greens cals 40
8 baby carrots, raw cals 42
1/2 pepper cals 25
1 cup of white kidney beans, navy beans, garbanzo beans cals ~210
1 oz raw almonds cals 85
amy's kitchen organic california burger (might eliminate this and try to replace it with something w another protein shake-- the burger's got 300mg sodium) cals 150
1 tbsp italian dressing cals 40
topped with about 3 tbsp nutritional yeast which I don't know the calories on, but has good vitamins and helps the taste.

then finish the day with a protein shake after my nightly workout
gemma pea protein from true nutrition cals 104
1 cup light soy or coconut milk cals 45


Macros: 45% carbs/ 24% protein/ 31% fat (obviously if i replace the amy's burger with a protein shake my protein will be a little higher)

This comes out to 1251 calories and total protein is 78 grams. I exercise 6x a week- for the past 2 weeks I've been doing 30 mins interval training on the treadmill (1 min of about 6.0 pace, 10 incline every 3-4 mins) and weight lifting...alternating upper and lower body, 12-15 reps...feeling the burn when I reach 10. Saturdays I add in a SS 45 min cardio jog instead of the interval (jog for about 25 mins, then walk for maybe 5-10 mins, then jog again to finish, and I go swimming for 30 mins to stretch out my muscles and get a little more cardio, but I don't kill myself in the pool. I just love swimming haha and the cold water feels great!

Let me just recap that my goal is to lose fat as quickly as possible. I work for a modeling agency and just started going out on auditions so I want to get my measurements down. Eventually I will look into fitness modeling, but for now I'm trying to get LEAN. by the end of the week I'll be drinking about 100+ oz of water. (I drink 64 at least as of late).
The last measurements I had were taken in October. I gained some muscle since then and lost some fat, but I haven't remeasured since.
Bust: 34D
Waist: 28
Hips: 38

I have also thought of possibly doing another 1 week cleanse of low calories, mainly fruits and veggies with some protein. Then resume the above diet for a week or two, then repeat. I don't want to do a low calorie diet for too long (under 1100 is low to me) because I'm afraid I will gain pure fat if I have a cheat day.

Also, on the topic of cheat days/meals...what do you all recommend? All I want on a cheat day is fruit snacks, chocolate, a Luna or good Greens protein bar, and potato bread toast. I could easily eat 1000+ cals of these, but I think if I control it and allow myself 300 cals of fruit snacks, 200 cals for chocolate, I might not go crazyyyy if I know it's okay and won't totally sabotage me.


Any ideas on this diet? Are my macros all out of whack? Should I be cycling some other way, or just sticking to this diet? Cheat day/ no cheat day? You guys would be an awesome help to me, thanks in advance!!!

1200 Cal is way to low. You risk losing muscle.

[tden99]

even with 90lbs of LBM and zero activity your basal rate is still above that.

Terrible idea, more isn't always better when it comes to reducing calories

[rand18m]

You weigh 135 and you want to cut? You are vegan, experimenting with cleansing and fruitarinism and other such extreme behavior.

My suggestion is that you seek medical help for what appears to be, or the making of, and ED. And I am serious! Please seek help! GL

[spaceghostboogi]

You weigh 135 and you want to cut? You are vegan, experimenting with cleansing and fruitarinism and other such extreme behavior.

My suggestion is that you seek medical help for what appears to be, or the making of, and ED. And I am serious! Please seek help! GL

Ed?
Erectile dysfunction?

[rand18m]

Ed?
Erectile dysfunction?

Eating disorder!

I see your new around here!

[Mishka1989]

You weigh 135 and you want to cut? You are vegan, experimenting with cleansing and fruitarinism and other such extreme behavior.

My suggestion is that you seek medical help for what appears to be, or the making of, and ED. And I am serious! Please seek help! GL

Lol not to worry. Recovered from ED for 4 years now. My diet isn't so crazy, I'm going for max results though so I have to do the dirty work of finding what works esp on a forum like this. My nutrients are all great, body performance is great, just a matter of losing fat. It's all short term for the time being, my maintenance is much more normal.

[Mishka1989]

even with 90lbs of LBM and zero activity your basal rate is still above that.

Terrible idea, more isn't always better when it comes to reducing calories

Do you think more along the lines of 1400 then?

[Mishka1989]

Well see you jumped from 500-800 calories to 1200 calories which made me think you dont have a grasp on how many calories you should be taking in
If you are excerscising and eating right ( and im not talking about subway and chipotle and fast food salads) then you really dont have to count your calories (imo)

Hmm interesting. I food prep all my meals, no fast food of any sort unless its absolutely mandatory. I could eat wayy above weight loss cals if I don't monitor them. Plus, this post is more along the lines of having something structured. I do well with things that are pretty strict or routine.

[tden99]

Do you think more along the lines of 1400 then?

hard to say without your current activity level but assuming a normal 1.5 then I wouldn't suggest going below 1500. That being said you may want to consult a physician as stated above. Being an extremist with regards to nutrition tends not to be a good thing, as food variety is often the healthiest way to live your life.

[spaceghostboogi]

Hmm interesting. I food prep all my meals, no fast food of any sort unless its absolutely mandatory. I could eat wayy above weight loss cals if I don't monitor them. Plus, this post is more along the lines of having something structured. I do well with things that are pretty strict or routine.

Yea
Im thinking you could find a program unique to your goals and it will suprise you how many calories you should be getting.
I didnt read all of your post because im a troll but you being female
Im thinking you should get around 1700
To fit a healthy lean female body
Thats what my girls shooting for and shes pretty lean

[Gemuadrken]

Hmm interesting. I food prep all my meals, no fast food of any sort unless its absolutely mandatory. I could eat wayy above weight loss cals if I don't monitor them. Plus, this post is more along the lines of having something structured. I do well with things that are pretty strict or routine.

Now this is off topic, but is your username named after Mishka the artist?

As in :


If yes, not *******.

If no, *******.

[Mishka1989]

hard to say without your current activity level but assuming a normal 1.5 then I wouldn't suggest going below 1500. That being said you may want to consult a physician as stated above. Being an extremist with regards to nutrition tends not to be a good thing, as food variety is often the healthiest way to live your life.

I have been seeing a nutritionist. I have a healthy diet 98% of the year. This post was in regards to a somewhat quick fix...just something to hurry the process bc I have certain goal deadlines. At any rate, I think my problem lately has been weighing myself everyday. I've always felt I don't lose on anything above 1200 because I think i just keep weighing myself and not seeing progress daily like I do on 1200 or less. So after seeing all the shock over here, I think ill bump it up to 1400, keep a cheat meal once a week, and just keep killing my workouts and trust my body will do its thing. Any other advice would be greatly appreciated, you were the only actual helpful poster.

[Mishka1989]

Now this is off topic, but is your username named after Mishka the artist?

As in :


If yes, not *******.

If no, *******.

It's my ukranian name.

[Butterflygen]

I stopped reading here because I don't have time to read the rest. It's fantastic to be excited about your new adventure, but you can't rush your success here.

Im sorry but ther is no such thing as loosing fat fast...too much to read but i think ur cal intake is way to low and be careful of fruit...sugar...always eat with fat

[Butterflygen]

500-800 calories a day lol...extremeist lol no retarded more like it

I must say i agree..this is way too drastic! ur doin ur metabolism damage and also ur body!

[Mishka1989]

I must say i agree..this is way too drastic! ur doin ur metabolism damage and also ur body!

Please see latest response.

Also, I know you guys won't believe me but I legit felt better than I ever have when I was on that cleanse. Even my agent told me I was glowing and I really did have more energy than I knew what to do with. Just sayin.

Anyways, back to helpful responses please.... 1400 cals a day, lifting and interval running for 30 mins, one cheat meal per week. Keep in mind I have very little muscle, 1400 isn't too low idt.