Victor Martinez Trains Back Part 1

[B-Neva]

http://www.musculardevelopment.com/i...mes-cameo.html

[handyman89]

Thanks man! been waiting for a Vid of Vic

[Ajthemeso]

fukin awesome! thanks man!

[Vinltd]

Awesome! Thanks for posting

[Wayacrucis]

I always thought underhand pull downs target the lower lats?

[handyman89]

I always thought underhand pull downs target the lower lats?

that would be hard seeing as the lower lat does not exist the latissimus dorsi is one muscle

[ArmyROTCCadet05]

that would be hard seeing as the lower lat does not exist the latissimus dorsi is one muscle

Bro I believe Wayacrucis was referring to a location of the overall lat by saying it targets to the lower lats... believe he understands the lat is one big muscle.. kind of like incline bench press works more of the upper chest.. though we all understand there is no separate muscle of the chest called the upper chest... just pectoralis major/minor

[luckynumber13as]

http://www.musculardevelopment.com/i...mes-cameo.html

Does anybody know about him ever tearing his left lat? The top where it meets the armpit looks a little weird on the left side.

[DPNZ]

Does anybody know about him ever tearing his left lat? The top where it meets the armpit looks a little weird on the left side.

Could be something to do with having his arm in a sling for a long while.

[XmonstermassX]

thats just how big his lats are ^

[wala]

Bro I believe Wayacrucis was referring to a location of the overall lat by saying it targets to the lower lats... believe he understands the lat is one big muscle..

Took the words right out of my mouth. I get sick of hearing people saying 'there's no such thing as lower lats'!

Most people on here that refer to the 'lower lats' know the lat is one muscle, they're simply referring to the lower portion of it.

[DanOsman]

Took the words right out of my mouth. I get sick of hearing people saying 'there's no such thing as lower lats'!

Most people on here that refer to the 'lower lats' know the lat is one muscle, they're simply referring to the lower portion of it.

This implies you believe in targeting portions of a specific muscle, right?

I'm not trying to sound provocative, I just would like to know more about it, since I don't believe in being able to target portions when it comes to a single muscle, although being quite open minded I'm always up to listen to people and get new information.

[wala]

This implies you believe in targeting portions of a specific muscle, right?

I'm not trying to sound provocative, I just would like to know more about it, since I don't believe in being able to target portions when it comes to a single muscle, although being quite open minded I'm always up to listen to people and get new information.

I just typed out a mega long reply and my iPad fcuked it all up,and I lost it :/

Basically yes, you can target certain parts of certain muscles due to the physical way you make that muscle work and because of things like leverage and tension etc.. If you want me to go into more detail then I will.

[ikillsuckers]

I just typed out a mega long reply and my iPad fcuked it all up,and I lost it :/

Basically yes, you can target certain parts of certain muscles due to the physical way you make that muscle work and because of things like leverage and tension etc.. If you want me to go into more detail then I will.

Exactly, hence different excersises for each muscle. If you ask majority of people with great bicep peaks how they got them, they are going to attribute them to a certain excersise which we all know would most likely be preacher curls. If all you ever do for back is pulldowns..you will undoubtedly have good width but will most likely lack in thickness which you can attribute to rowing movements..also
.they dont make incline decline and flat benches for no reason

Just my 2 cents

[Jag15]

damn vic with busta rhymes thats pretty cool

[DanOsman]

Exactly, hence different excersises for each muscle. If you ask majority of people with great bicep peaks how they got them, they are going to attribute them to a certain excersise which we all know would most likely be preacher curls. If all you ever do for back is pulldowns..you will undoubtedly have good width but will most likely lack in thickness which you can attribute to rowing movements..also
.they dont make incline decline and flat benches for no reason

Just my 2 cents

What both of you guys are saying does actually make sense, although I keep wondering what the result would be, if we had 2 bb's, who started work out at the same time, say for 5 years with same diet and exact same supplements and only one of them was doing the same exercise for each muscle
Ex: {(hammer curls/3 sets/10 reps x 3 times}.

This could be the real proof targeting muscle really exists and emphasize a portion of a single muscle is something really doable.

At the end of the day if everybody though is working out the same way (variety) there's gotta be a reason (maybe).

What about angles though?
I can still bench with a different grip width every time and have different results, right?

[Groggery]

If you ask majority of people with great bicep peaks how they got them, they are going to attribute them to a certain excersise which we all know would most likely be preacher curls.

Now whether or not you actually believe what they claim is a different matter entirely.

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[Esthetique]

I always thought underhand pull downs target the lower lats?

How is turning your wrist gonna target your lower lats?

[Ajthemeso]

How is turning your wrist gonna target your lower lats?

body dynamics or some scientific chit lol. i'v tried it and it doesn't work for me but i have some friends who swear by it. dorian yates was a big proponent of using the underhand grip too.

[Wayacrucis]

How is turning your wrist gonna target your lower lats?

That's like asking how does doing an overhead extension target the long head of the triceps. Underhand grip rows and pulldowns emphasize the lower portion of the lats. Some of you seriously don't have a clue about trainning.

I can post 2737372 links supporting that, but I'll let you have fun with google and learn by yourselves.

[handyman89]

That's like asking how does doing an overhead extension target the long head of the triceps. Underhand grip rows and pulldowns emphasize the lower portion of the lats. Some of you seriously don't have a clue about trainning.

I can post 2737372 links supporting that, but I'll let you have fun with google and learn by yourselves.

Not exactly the same but i get what your saying.. The tricep is actually made up of three (tri) different muscles with different points of origins and have different functions.. the lat is one muscle as a whole so not really comparable

[Esthetique]

That's like asking how does doing an overhead extension target the long head of the triceps. Underhand grip rows and pulldowns emphasize the lower portion of the lats. Some of you seriously don't have a clue about trainning.

I can post 2737372 links supporting that, but I'll let you have fun with google and learn by yourselves.

I dont have a clue about training? Okay.jpg

You dont even give me a scientific explanation, let alone explanation.

See handyman89s post.
The wrist has NOTHING to do with the lat.
Its like targeting inner pecs. But you probably believe that is possible too, like most of the IFBB .. bro's.

[wala]

Not exactly the same but i get what your saying.. The tricep is actually made up of three (tri) different muscles with different points of origins and have different functions.. the lat is one muscle as a whole so not really comparable

Agreed there yeh, it's just one muscle.

I suppose another good one to look at is the hamstrings, you can do leg curls for them, but you can also do sldl's too. I have no proof whatsoever other than my own person experiences but after doing curls I can feel where the muscle is burning and where I gets DOMS (if I do actually get DOMS) and its in a different place to when I do sldl's - but simply put, they both hit the hamstrings so you'd expect to get them exact same results whether you do sldl's or curls.. But my experience has found otherwise.

I could also talk about chest. If a muscle is fully contracted with a force against it (such as a cable fly) the muscle is usually pretty solid due to it being at full contraction.

Now, some people say that you can't work the upper portion of your chest and lower portion using different exercises. But what I've found is that when I do a cable fly (handles up above and I bring them down low to target the lower pec) the bottom of my pec is rock solid, yet the upper part is not, it a lot softer. The same thing happens when I do flys from the bottom and bring them in and up to the height of about where my face would be - my upper chest is rock solid but the lower portion is soft.

Again, there's no science to back this up but I'm pretty sure that those exercises are causing more contraction and muscle involvement from the parts of the chest described and therefore would cause more micro trauma and subsequently growth if the right diet is being consumed?

[Esthetique]

Hamstrings has multiple heads/functions
its used in both kneecontraction and hipflexion
Conclusion:

Some muscles have more HEADS like chest, tricep, quads. Some muscles don't. Lats don't.

Gotta say the broscience is strong in the ifbb section

inb4 negs

[JackOo]

The Hamstrings are three muscles (semimembranosus, semitendinosus, and the biceps femoris), they can be trained via both hip extension and knee flexion. Additionally changing foot position during knee flexion will change the activity of the muscle, because there are three of them.

The Pectoralis Major, although one muscle, has two origins and two insertions. The "upper pec" is the clavicular origin. The "lower pec" or middle pec, whatever the hell you wanna call it, is the sternal origin of the pec. Differences in activation occur in single muscles with multiple origins (pecs, traps, etc), as well as muscle groups with multiple muscles (hams, quads, etc).

Lower lats? Here's an article on a pretty decent blog, showing which movements activate the lats/traps/rhomboids better etc, according to EMG.
suppversity.blogspot.nl/2011/07/suppversity-emg-series-latissimus.html

Also I did read a study showing variations in activity in the SAME muscle group using EMG, but in different places (think lower lat, inner pec, and all that crap) unfortunately the forum where the study was posted is dead right now. I'll edit my post and include it when it's back up. I'm not sure if there's a body of evidence suggesting that one part of a muscle, will fire more than another part of a muscle, depending on stimulus (like the VMO versus just the regular old vastus medials argument). I think a lot of it is bro-science, but some of it probably has a basis in reality.

[ArmyROTCCadet05]

How is turning your wrist gonna target your lower lats?

IDK go ask hammer curls why turning your wrists target a different portion of a muscle.

[handyman89]

IDK go ask hammer curls why turning your wrists target a different portion of a muscle.

You mean the Brachioradialis? once again talking about multiple different muscles with different functions being targeted, the lat is an individual muscle so you wouldnt techniacally say turning your wrist would target the "lower" lat anymore than the other way around.. hammer curls hit the Brachioradialis and the bicep witch is also 2 seperate muscles so it makes sense in saying it hits a different part

[backlash278]

This implies you believe in targeting portions of a specific muscle, right?

I'm not trying to sound provocative, I just would like to know more about it, since I don't believe in being able to target portions when it comes to a single muscle, although being quite open minded I'm always up to listen to people and get new information.

There is a neuroscience term called compartmentalization basically this means that the angle of pull of the exercise you are doing dictates the muscle fibers that are being favored in that specific muscle which explains how different parts of a muscle can be targeted through different angles of pull.

[RoroCwalker]

Never understood how overhand vs underhand grip changes anything but the complementary main muscle's usage, I've tried it and it really didn't change anything apart from feeling a complementary muscle more.
For example, in Barbell rows, the main point/mechanism of the movement is to bring your elbows parallel to your hip bone, which targets the lats when you do so, putting a underhand grip, I feel utilizes more biceps, the overhand grip, I feel utilizes more the outer forearm and the Brachialis.