You can't out-train bad nutrition........or can you?

[snoack]

I see so many people saying that nutrition is 80% or whatever.

Yet I see so many people wandering around the gym doing complete BS routines and making zero gains.

Lots of people would say my diet is total crap. I drink beer every day. I never eat fruit and don't eat a lot of veggies or grains. I pretty much live on meat, eggs and beer.

But I lift heavy, and I lift a lot. And while I'm clearly not bodybuilder lean, I have a helluva lot of muscle mass, and not bad strength (except presses due to shoulder issues).

So what's your position?

Is nutrition more important, or is effort in the gym more important?

beer is a grain. Read the ingredients amigo!

[ntrllftr]

beer is a grain. Read the ingredients amigo!

To be fair... He did say eat not drink.....


So.....











Take that!

[pius36]

lol @ any of the clowns calling flex fat. the guy's a ****ing tank. not all of us want to be lean, when i was in my teens and 20's i was super lean, now im a grown man, and i look like a grown man. i have 20% b/f and im cool with that, im also cool with the fact that im pretty ****ing strong. too each his own guy's idk why the hell guy's are calling out flex(who is imo a real nice guy) you wouldn't say **** to his face im pretty certain of that.

[-=FLEX=-]

lol @ any of the clowns calling flex fat. the guy's a ****ing tank. not all of us want to be lean, when i was in my teens and 20's i was super lean, now im a grown man, and i look like a grown man. i have 20% b/f and im cool with that, im also cool with the fact that im pretty ****ing strong. too each his own guy's idk why the hell guy's are calling out flex(who is imo a real nice guy) you wouldn't say **** to his face im pretty certain of that.

^^^ Not even my troll account...

[Brackneyc]

lol @ any of the clowns calling flex fat. the guy's a ****ing tank. not all of us want to be lean, when i was in my teens and 20's i was super lean, now im a grown man, and i look like a grown man. i have 20% b/f and im cool with that, im also cool with the fact that im pretty ****ing strong. too each his own guy's idk why the hell guy's are calling out flex(who is imo a real nice guy) you wouldn't say **** to his face im pretty certain of that.

83 reps for you.

[-=FLEX=-]

83 reps for you.

-41.5 for you

[Brackneyc]

-41.5 for you

Lol

[Do_Somethin]

lol @ any of the clowns calling flex fat. the guy's a ****ing tank. not all of us want to be lean, when i was in my teens and 20's i was super lean, now im a grown man, and i look like a grown man. i have 20% b/f and im cool with that, im also cool with the fact that im pretty ****ing strong. too each his own guy's idk why the hell guy's are calling out flex(who is imo a real nice guy) you wouldn't say **** to his face im pretty certain of that.

Spit or swallow?

[djflex]

lol @ any of the clowns calling flex fat. the guy's a ****ing tank. not all of us want to be lean, when i was in my teens and 20's i was super lean, now im a grown man, and i look like a grown man. i have 20% b/f and im cool with that, im also cool with the fact that im pretty ****ing strong. too each his own guy's idk why the hell guy's are calling out flex(who is imo a real nice guy) you wouldn't say **** to his face im pretty certain of that.

[BankWalker]

lol @ any of the clowns calling flex fat. the guy's a ****ing tank. not all of us want to be lean, when i was in my teens and 20's i was super lean, now im a grown man, and i look like a grown man. i have 20% b/f and im cool with that, im also cool with the fact that im pretty ****ing strong. too each his own guy's idk why the hell guy's are calling out flex(who is imo a real nice guy) you wouldn't say **** to his face im pretty certain of that.

Strong Canadian nut hugging up in here

[Whiskeyjack]

DJFlex is huge in his new avi.

[mikieson]

its all genetics..some people can eat frootloops for breakfast,drink soda all day..eat burgers and fries..ice cream..ect all day every day and still look great..ME..NO..I never had a clean diet and it showed the whole time i workedout..I would have to eat a head of lettuce and drink water to lose weight..and look how I want to look..in other words..NOT GONNA HAPPEN..lol

[muscleshakes]

I see so many people saying that nutrition is 80% or whatever.

Yet I see so many people wandering around the gym doing complete BS routines and making zero gains.

Lots of people would say my diet is total crap. I drink beer every day. I never eat fruit and don't eat a lot of veggies or grains. I pretty much live on meat, eggs and beer.

But I lift heavy, and I lift a lot. And while I'm clearly not bodybuilder lean, I have a helluva lot of muscle mass, and not bad strength (except presses due to shoulder issues).

So what's your position?

Is nutrition more important, or is effort in the gym more important?

People who say diet is 80% are wrong and it must just be the cool thing to say these days. They think omg if they go out and drink a six pack it will kill all gains etc. of course you need a lot of good food to build muscle but people are so over the top sometimes.

[muscleshakes]

its all genetics..some people can eat frootloops for breakfast,drink soda all day..eat burgers and fries..ice cream..ect all day every day and still look great..ME..NO..I never had a clean diet and it showed the whole time i workedout..I would have to eat a head of lettuce and drink water to lose weight..and look how I want to look..in other words..NOT GONNA HAPPEN..lol

Although I would steer everyone away from soda and diet is even worse. That stuff will eat your teeth up and kill you. But I agree with yhe point of your post

[2nd_chance]

Although I would steer everyone away from soda and diet is even worse. That stuff will eat your teeth up and kill you. But I agree with yhe point of your post

Yes. Drinking a diet soda once a day is worse for you than smoking 4 packs of cigetettes a day!!!

[muscleshakes]

I'm 37 and trying to put weight on 200lbs is my goal. Just had two peanut butter & jelly sandwiches & a lot of ice cream. HAd a 1,000 calories royal red robin burger few hours ago with fries and salad. Eating 6-7 times a day shakes too. I will get there of course I don't want a huge gut tho.

[muscleshakes]

Yes. Drinking a diet soda once a day is worse for you than smoking 4 packs of cigetettes a day!!!

Who said ANYthing about smoking cigs? I'm just sayin diet soda aspartame is like meth

[pius36]

It just annoys me that people are attacking the guy for looking and eating how he wants too look and eat. it also so happens that him and I have the same goals in mind, not too mention that I eat red meat at least 10x per week and eat a ****load off eggs.It's lol that some skinny little homo who weighs 140lbs is going to tell flex he looks like **** or is fat . get real you 140lbs sissy or I will have my sister kick your ass.

[Karl_Hungus]

Who said ANYthing about smoking cigs? I'm just sayin diet soda aspartame is like meth

So, comparing diet soda to cigs is stupid, but comparing diet soda to meth makes sense?

If I drink diet soda for the next 5 years, will I start to look like those "faces of meth" posters?

[muscleshakes]

It just annoys me that people are attacking the guy for looking and eating how he wants too look and eat. it also so happens that him and I have the same goals in mind, not too mention that I eat red meat at least 10x per week and eat a ****load off eggs.It's lol that some skinny little homo who weighs 140lbs is going to tell flex he looks like **** or is fat . get real you 140lbs sissy or I will have my sister kick your ass.

I'm not big but not skinny I've always wanted to be bigger but with keep good shape. I didn't read through the whole thread so people are saying flex looks bad? Oh well sometimes smaller guys want to be bigger so they say things tey don't really believe.

[pius36]

So, comparing diet soda to cigs is stupid, but comparing diet soda to meth makes sense?

If I drink diet soda for the next 5 years, will I start to look like those "faces of meth" posters?

oh come on you don't like biting into a peanut butter sandwich and leaving a few teeth behind ?

[pius36]

I'm not big but not skinny I've always wanted to be bigger but with keep good shape. I didn't read through the whole thread so people are saying flex looks bad? Oh well sometimes smaller guys want to be bigger so they say things tey don't really believe.

yeah i suppose id be pissed if i was 40 years old and weighed 140lbs.

[alex2363]

I haven't jumped into this yet but my 2 cents is that macros are everything. I used to be more of a "clean" freak but as I progress, IIFYM is more of how I'm living. This is my first cut where I'm implementing IIFYM. We'll see how it goes, so far so good.

That is what i follow too, so far IIFYM has helped me lose 40 pounds, and has helped me keep it off. First time ever i have kept my weight within my goals.

[acrawlingchaos]

It just annoys me that people are attacking the guy for looking and eating how he wants too look and eat. it also so happens that him and I have the same goals in mind, not too mention that I eat red meat at least 10x per week and eat a ****load off eggs.It's lol that some skinny little homo who weighs 140lbs is going to tell flex he looks like **** or is fat . get real you 140lbs sissy or I will have my sister kick your ass.

yeah i suppose id be pissed if i was 40 years old and weighed 140lbs.

Can't wait to see your lifting vids and progress photos.

Srs... I'll be patiently waiting right here for them.

[pius36]

I would never want too look like you im sorry. ( not trying to be a dick btw) as far as progress i do a 5/3/1 and a bunch of accessory work (ghr dips pull ups mainly ) and i eat a lot but our
goals are not the same. im not trying to get 8% bf or w/e you are. congrats on getting to where you want to be tho sir, well done.





edit- I have good form in all excercises so no need to post videos.

[gazzajagman]

I dunno about you guys, but if I even look at a beer can I seem to put on weight. The same is true of chocolate...some things I just have to steer away from. Other guys don't seem to have an issue with these. Because I don't drink much, it seems to hit me harder when I do.

[Brackneyc]

Yes. Drinking a diet soda once a day is worse for you than smoking 4 packs of cigetettes a day!!!

What is even better is that I just saw a news story comparing "meth mouth" to the mouths of those who consume a lot of soda. Absolutely Fing hilarious.

[Flounderbout]

edit- I have good form in all excercises so no need to post videos.

Just came in to point out that yesterday I slept with Miss World, before becoming heavyweight boxing champion of the world. My form in both was excellent, so no need to post videos.

[Jtbny]

It just annoys me that people are attacking the guy for looking and eating how he wants too look and eat. it also so happens that him and I have the same goals in mind, not too mention that I eat red meat at least 10x per week and eat a ****load off eggs.It's lol that some skinny little homo who weighs 140lbs is going to tell flex he looks like **** or is fat . get real you 140lbs sissy or I will have my sister kick your ass.

Interesting......

[pius36]

Just came in to point out that yesterday I slept with Miss World, before becoming heavyweight boxing champion of the world. My form in both was excellent, so no need to post videos.

sarcasm or serious?