nicotine question

[weiss1967]

Knowing the HELL I went through to quit smoking, the insidiously destructive nature of nicotine addiction and the negative side effects of nicotine on your cardio-vascular system, all for a small potential upside, I would still say yes: risk vs. reward, Nicotine as a weightloss supplement ='s dumbest thing evar!

I would be more inclined to use heroin as a post workout cool-down supplement...

Dude, I was on the same page around the same time after quitting smoking. Going back was one of my nightmires. Like smoking big cigarette and feeling insanely guilty, then waking up with a feel of relief. Yes, I have been through that. However, after 14 eyars I know I will never go back, and there are studies on the nicotine that are hard to disregard. Like most people agreed already, we are drinking coffee, and green tea extract and other strong stimulants. Half of my ex GF's have been on antidepressants or stimulants or hormone replacement of sorts at different times in their lives, all way more dangerous and prescription only drugs. Again, about actual smoking, dosages are different between smoking sigarettes as an addiction (I used to smoke 2 packs a day) or occasional puffing without inhalation. I know that, because I did both. And I can say that there is stimulation, good enough to supress apetite and induce a good volume workout. What is not to like. What I was hoping to find out is a bit more professional opinion here. Like the effects of nicotine stimulation on actual muscle building process, interference with other products or metabolic processes and such. Or if there is a certain protocol on using it for bodybuilding.

[DesertDude11]

Do a little research on DNP..(still widely used).. After that, you might say (in comparison) Nicotine is a GREAT safe choice.

Nah, don't feel like researching anything. I know nothing about other stims/supplements and don't care to. I am doing my thing 100% au natural. Closest I get to a stim is morning cup of joe and that's it.

The question was regarding nicotine. Personally, I think its a stupid idea. I also think that anal sex is gross but tons of people still enjoy it. To each their own.

[DesertDude11]

Dude, I was on the same page around the same time after quitting smoking. Going back was one of my nightmires. Like smoking big cigarette and feeling insanely guilty, then waking up with a feel of relief. Yes, I have been through that. However, after 14 eyars I know I will never go back, and there are studies on the nicotine that are hard to disregard. Like most people agreed already, we are drinking coffee, and green tea extract and other strong stimulants. Half of my ex GF's have been on antidepressants or stimulants or hormone replacement of sorts at different times in their lives, all way more dangerous and prescription only drugs. Again, about actual smoking, dosages are different between smoking sigarettes as an addiction (I used to smoke 2 packs a day) or occasional puffing without inhalation. I know that, because I did both. And I can say that there is stimulation, good enough to supress apetite and induce a good volume workout. What is not to like. What I was hoping to find out is a bit more professional opinion here. Like the effects of nicotine stimulation on actual muscle building process, interference with other products or metabolic processes and such. Or if there is a certain protocol on using it for bodybuilding.

I have had nightmares about going back to smoking too. The only info I have on nicotine is what you find on wikipedia.

Sorry, but I have nothing more to add but my opinion on this one. (based mainly in fear of re-addiction, I might add.)

[induced_drag]

Nah, don't feel like researching anything. I know nothing about other stims/supplements and don't care to. I am doing my thing 100% au natural. Closest I get to a stim is morning cup of joe and that's it.

The question was regarding nicotine. Personally, I think its a stupid idea. I also think that anal sex is gross but tons of people still enjoy it. To each their own.

Just to be clear.....I am NOT suggesting you use it. I was referring to your statement:

"I would still say yes: risk vs. reward, Nicotine as a weightloss supplement ='s dumbest thing evar!"



Nicotine is INCREDIBLY SAFE in comparison.......get it?

[azstrengthcoach]

I wonder if anybody uses nicotine in any way, either for weight loss or body building. I am reading some mixed info on nicotine from internet, but apparently general consensus is that nicotine is a strong boost drug in small dosages. Speeds up the metabolsm and suppress the apetite. I am not talking sigarette smoking, but patches or gum or good old Honduran hand-rolled cigars.

It would work but I can think of better options

[Garage Rat]

I have heard that european bodybuilder competitors in the 1950's - 1970 era use to smoke to help stay lean and give a boost to workouts.
More than likely the way bodybuilders use to use ephedra when it was legal.
Not the healthiest way to do things but i think most bodybuilders have evolved from that with all the metabolism boosters out there these days.
Probably still not all that healthy but better than smoking.

[dunemonkey]

Dude, I was on the same page around the same time after quitting smoking. Going back was one of my nightmires. Like smoking big cigarette and feeling insanely guilty, then waking up with a feel of relief. Yes, I have been through that. However, after 14 eyars I know I will never go back, and there are studies on the nicotine that are hard to disregard. Like most people agreed already, we are drinking coffee, and green tea extract and other strong stimulants. Half of my ex GF's have been on antidepressants or stimulants or hormone replacement of sorts at different times in their lives, all way more dangerous and prescription only drugs. Again, about actual smoking, dosages are different between smoking sigarettes as an addiction (I used to smoke 2 packs a day) or occasional puffing without inhalation. I know that, because I did both. And I can say that there is stimulation, good enough to supress apetite and induce a good volume workout. What is not to like. What I was hoping to find out is a bit more professional opinion here. Like the effects of nicotine stimulation on actual muscle building process, interference with other products or metabolic processes and such. Or if there is a certain protocol on using it for bodybuilding.

Man, I'm sorry if this isn't what you want to hear or the information that you were looking for about affect on bodybuilding and whatnot, but yes, nicotine has a proven appetite suppression and metabolic thermic affect. BUT it is EXTREMELY addictive and the consequences of that addiction suck. The ranks of pack a day and two pack a day smokers is littered with people who quit for years and then thought they could come back and manage the addiction by having "just the right amount." Example after example after example after example show that it just doesn't work that way for nicotine addicts. You will start with the amount of gum/etc you think you want for your results, and then, once all those dormant nicotine receptors get fired back up and start screaming for it, you'll be right back where you were 14 years ago. It happens to thousands and thousands of people over and over again. Everybody in this situation says the same thing. "I'm far enough removed, I'm no longer addicted, I'll control it, I'm different."

However, after 14 eyars I know I will never go back

Sure sounds like you're warming up to it...

[DesertDude11]

Just to be clear.....I am NOT suggesting you use it. I was referring to your statement:

"I would still say yes: risk vs. reward, Nicotine as a weightloss supplement ='s dumbest thing evar!"



Nicotine is INCREDIBLY SAFE in comparison.......get it?

I get it ID, you are right and I am wrong. You win AGAIN! In the battle of internetz googling skillz, you are teh winz0r!!!

I still stand my my stinky balloon knot of an opinion tho: Nicotine is NOT a safe for ANYTHING except maybe killing roaches. This is coming from someone who's life was RULED by nicotine for over 25 years and almost lost everything including my wife and kids in order to quit it........get it?

[ArchAngel'73]

Do a little research on DNP..(still widely used).. After that, you might say (in comparison) Nicotine is a GREAT safe choice.

I know about that stuff.
It will eventually turn both you and your jizz yellow.
No thanks.

but

DNP is a "metabolic uncoupler"
and a nattie substitute (by no means as efficient as DNP)
is cayenne pepper.
This too has side effects.
Pepper your angus.

[induced_drag]

I get it ID, you are right and I am wrong. You win AGAIN! In the battle of internetz googling skillz, you are teh winz0r!!!

I still stand my my stinky balloon knot of an opinion tho: Nicotine is NOT a safe for ANYTHING except maybe killing roaches. This is coming from someone who's life was RULED by nicotine for over 25 years and almost lost everything including my wife and kids in order to quit it........get it?

Dude....was not trying to win any 'battle'....you but when you go out on a limb to say something is the 'dumbest' thing you could EVER do... Well I am sure you get it.


Anyway....if you interested in why I would contest your statement see link below

At one time this was a common 'otc' ingredient for weight loss in the 30's. People boiling their brains (which still happens today) and cataracts were some downsides.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,4-Dinitrophenol

[ironwill2008]

It will eventually turn both you and your jizz yellow.

And to an extreme, your body into a pile of ashes from inside out.

Incredibly dangerous stuff, researched back in the '30's, but still occasionally rears it's nasty head in bodybuilding circles.

[induced_drag]

And to an extreme, your body into a pile of ashes from inside out.

Incredibly dangerous stuff, researched back in the '30's, but still occasionally rears it's nasty head in bodybuilding circles.

Exactly why I had to point out that nicotine was FAR from the worst thing people use for weight loss.
Sorry if unclear.

[ironwill2008]

Exactly why I had to point out that nicotine was FAR from the worst thing people use for weight loss.

Based on some of the threads posted in this forum lately, now that I think of it, I'm surprised that some noob hasn't asked about DNP before.

[m314]

and a nattie substitute (by no means as efficient as DNP)
is cayenne pepper.
This too has side effects.
Pepper your angus.

I tried this a few years ago. I wish I had heard about the side effects beforehand. Some supps are just a pain in the ass.

[Ralikar]

I smoked for 20+ years and moved to vaping. Was off 3 POD/habit in 3 days. I vape now and control the amount of nicotine. I'm not going to get into a debate about vaping, just a nicotine delivery option way better than cigarettes/patch/gum. Nicotine, depending on your set-up, plus coffee=massive lift boost. Free nicotine in vaping is not as addictive as cigarettes. But it is still addictive and IMO not the best way to go. You can pound massive self DIY nic plus coffee and you will feel like Batman working out, it will just thrash your adrenals after a time which I still have hardships with. Vaping allows for better nic control than a long acting patch or the full effects of some gum/losenge--you can just have a big hit or two and be on your way. FYI, my lungs now feel like 20 years ago-- I'm not a conversionist, just thought I'd post it for smokers considering a way better alternative or bb people using nic in other delivery systems. Either way getting addicted to it is your choice but probably not worth the problems...

[m314]

Based on some of the threads posted in this forum lately, now that I think of it, I'm surprised that some noob hasn't asked about DNP before.

Maybe they did, but the threads were deleted. That's why I didn't mention it specifically before. I'd just like to second (or third or fourth) the opinion that it's one of the riskiest and stupidest things bodybuilders can do to lose fat.

[m314]

Nah, don't feel like researching anything. I know nothing about other stims/supplements and don't care to. I am doing my thing 100% au natural. Closest I get to a stim is morning cup of joe and that's it.

The question was regarding nicotine. Personally, I think its a stupid idea. I also think that anal sex is gross but tons of people still enjoy it. To each their own.

Dude, you're seriously missing out if you've never tried it. I mean anal, not DNP. You just have to remember that old saying "it's better to give than to receive".

[DesertDude11]

Dude, you're seriously missing out if you've never tried it. I mean anal, not DNP. You just have to remember that old saying "it's better to give than to receive".

HA! I will remember that!

[Taichichuan]

I wonder if anybody uses nicotine in any way, either for weight loss or body building. I am reading some mixed info on nicotine from internet, but apparently general consensus is that nicotine is a strong boost drug in small dosages. Speeds up the metabolsm and suppress the apetite. I am not talking sigarette smoking, but patches or gum or good old Honduran hand-rolled cigars.

Whatever works for you.